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VukBZ2005
13th June 2007, 03:22
Venezuela Launches Sale of "Bolivarian" Computers
By: Chris Carlson - Venezuelanalysis.com
Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/images/2007/06/c2660.jpg
The Bolivarian computer, model VIT C2660

Mérida, June 12, 2007 (venezuelanalysis.com)— The Venezuelan government of President Hugo Chavez announced the launch of their "Bolivarian Computers" last week, consisting of four different models produced in Venezuela with Chinese technology. The new computers will run the open-source Linux operating system and will first be used inside the government "missions" and state companies and institutions but eventually are expected to be sold across Venezuela and Latin America.

Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez presented the new machines to the public last week at an event in the state of Falcon as he donated them to a school there. The new computers are produced by the joint venture VIT (Venezuela de Industria Tecnológica), which is owned by the Chinese company Lang Chao and the Venezuelan Ministry of Light Industry and Commerce.

"The price of other similar brands is US$ 930, and the price of our computer is US$ 690, almost 40% less," explained President Chavez. "But, in addition, it has an added value, given that it comes with open-source software and a three year guarantee, while other brands only offer one year."

Production of the models began in the end of 2006 and the first 1,619 units were distributed to students of Integral Medicine in the government program Mission Sucre. Chavez promised last October to give a computer to every one of the 11,100 students in the second year of the new medical education program Integral Community Medicine (MIC) and began to follow through with that promise last May.

"I feel excited because the president came through with his promise, and that makes us be more responsible with the program, more dedicated, since it is a big help that motivates us to keep moving forward," said one student.

Units have also been given to the Urban Transportation Fund, the Agrarian Bank, the national mail service Ipostel, and the Experimental University of Simon Rodriguez.

And although the first units have been donated to the public sector, the new Bolivarian computers will also be sold inside Venezuela and exported.

"We are working with cooperatives and small companies to form our own distribution network," said the manager of sales Eduardo Hernandez. "It's a slow process. This month we have already completed the formation (of a distribution network) in Caracas and by the end of the year we will have distribution and technical support throughout the whole country."

The computer factory is located on the Paraguana Peninsula in the state of Falcon and has an annual capacity of 150,000 units. For this year the factory is expected to assemble 80,000 units and 6,000 laptop computers.

Until now Venezuela has always imported computers both from well-known brands and generic brands from the developed world. With this new venture the Venezuelan government hopes to diversify national production, integrate national productive chains, and work towards technological independence for the country.

According to the web page of the new state company, VIT has the objective of "production, marketing and sale of technological products, with an emphasis in manufacturing and assembling computers and accessories. Our efforts are also focused on national export, with a future projection to the international market."

By the end of the year, the intention is to begin to locally produce some of the technology in order to substitute some of the imported components used in the assembly of the machines for components produced in Venezuela. In order to do this, the government has built installations for research and development in order to design the components inside the same factory.

The company is offering 3 different desktop models and one laptop with a price range of US$ 405 (Bs. 870,750) to US$ 1,400 (Bs. 3,010,000). The processors will range in speed from 1.5 GHz to a 3.0 GHz Intel Pentium IV and the laptop will use a 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor.

With respect to the operating system, Venezuela has taken a strong position in favor of open-source software in order to "promote technological development" and help "reach technological independence." For this reason the computers will use the open-source Linux, but the components are also compatible with the Windows operating system.

There are two points to me posting this article here. The first point is that this did not seem appropriate to post in any of the other forums of RevolutionaryLeft and the second point is that this is an indication of the massive advances that Venezuela is making in the field of technological and scientific development (especially the technological development of Venezuela, as is emphasized above.)

Thus, my question to you all when it comes to this is the following; what do you think of this and the other efforts that are being made to achieve the technological and scientific independence of Venezuela?

Die Neue Zeit
13th June 2007, 04:48
^^^ This is great news, but probably old, too.

While I'm sure everyone here has reservations about Chavez's blatantly reformist agenda (even if the country is leaps and miles AWAY from a proper socialist revolution, anyhow), there have been wise moves some time now by his administration to diversify away from the oil and especially towards manufacturing.

The country's proliferation of Linux is great, too, even though most of us here use Windows. The thing is that the security of said independence is at stake (VIRUSES).

Overall, good stuff. :)

VukBZ2005
13th June 2007, 07:13
The article itself was released yesterday, but the information that is within that article comes from last week.

Yes, the manufacturing sector has been growing tremendously under Chavez, by at least 30% by some economic indicators. This article is providing more and more evidence that the most important economical goal for the Chavez administration is to obtain scientific and technological independence, as it would allow for the industrial development of Venezuela to accelerate.

union6
13th June 2007, 16:57
I think Comrade Chavez is doing a great job in power and this is another one of his well kept promises. Viva Chavez!!

P.s. Were Can I buy One??

VukBZ2005
13th June 2007, 18:01
From what I can see, it would seem that a nationwide release for Venezuela will happen later this year. So once that occurs, you could try to patch through a friend in Venezuela to obtain the product and ship it to you...that is, if you have a friend in Venezuela.

Rosa Lichtenstein
13th June 2007, 18:50
Let's hope Chavez presses for the production of these things with unionised (and free unionised!!) workers, on decent pay.

It's not much of an advance to be told that my Dell computer was made by the same swetted non-unionised labour as these 'socialist' machines, whatever the operating system.

VukBZ2005
14th June 2007, 01:44
Let's hope Chavez presses for the production of these things with unionised (and free unionised!!) workers, on decent pay.

If this were not the case, then the whole idea of "Socialism for the 21 Century" would be a joke and Chavez would have most likely not been re-elected in December with 63% of the vote. In fact, he has insisted on reducing the workday from 44 hours to 33 hours. I have not ever heard of a person of his level of formality doing something of the nature of this.

Die Neue Zeit
14th June 2007, 01:52
^^^ 33 hours is too few hours, though. I recently posted an article on overworking, and how 48 hours hasn't been met worldwide over a century after its advocation, but 33 hours is way too little for a society that needs CAPITALIST development:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/12/bus...s/venezbank.php (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/12/business/venezbank.php)

I don't see a problem with reducing to 40 hours, though.

Janus
14th June 2007, 02:05
what do you think of this and the other efforts that are being made to achieve the technological and scientific independence of Venezuela?
Any initiative to develop open source software and goods is a step in the right direction not only for the technological benefits but also the economic ones as well.

Rosa Lichtenstein
14th June 2007, 13:35
CF:


If this were not the case, then the whole idea of "Socialism for the 21 Century" would be a joke and Chavez would have most likely not been re-elected in December with 63% of the vote. In fact, he has insisted on reducing the workday from 44 hours to 33 hours. I have not ever heard of a person of his level of formality doing something of the nature of this.

Well, aren't these things being produced in China, a country not known for its excellent working conditions and wages?

VukBZ2005
14th June 2007, 14:00
Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 14, 2007 07:35 am
CF:


If this were not the case, then the whole idea of "Socialism for the 21 Century" would be a joke and Chavez would have most likely not been re-elected in December with 63% of the vote. In fact, he has insisted on reducing the workday from 44 hours to 33 hours. I have not ever heard of a person of his level of formality doing something of the nature of this.

Well, aren't these things being produced in China, a country not known for its excellent working conditions and wages?
No. As the article said, they are being produced in Venezuela itself with Chinese technology. That means that the products themselves are manufactured in Venezuela for the most part, but the crucial technological equipment itself actually comes from China via a joint venture deal with Lang Chao Electronics Limited, which I think is actually based in Hong Kong. Eventually, Venezuela will be able to reproduce the crucial technological equipment needed to manufacture computers and other electronic products on its own basis, because it has access to the technology through the joint venture.

VIT also announced that they would be manufacturing cell phones and other electronic products as time goes on.

Avtomat_Icaro
14th June 2007, 15:01
Oh this is very cool! Exiting times ahead. Its also great to see Linux becoming more mainstream, would be totally awesome to see Linux replace Windows as main operating program in Latin America.

Rosa Lichtenstein
14th June 2007, 18:21
CF, thanks for that correction -- but let's hope Chavez uses his contact with China to press for free tade unions, then!!!

Axel1917
14th June 2007, 18:37
This is interesting indeed. A good alternative for expensive and less well-warranted computers common all over the planet.

VukBZ2005
14th June 2007, 20:58
For those of you who are interested, here is the website of VIT (Venezuelan Technological Industries) it's in Spanish: http://www.vit.com.ve/

Avtomat_Icaro
14th June 2007, 22:42
Does anybody know which linux distro these computers use?

Janus
15th June 2007, 01:27
Does anybody know which linux distro these computers use?
It might be a special version since it's supposedly compatible with Windows and Linux. The website doesn't mention a specific OS


Originally posted by VIT site
Sistema Operativo: Compatible Sistema linux.

RevMARKSman
15th June 2007, 02:02
In fact, he has insisted on reducing the workday from 44 hours to 33 hours. I have not ever heard of a person of his level of formality doing something of the nature of this.

So, now workers have to time travel less to meet their work requirements. I have put in several 44-hour days myself though.

(I couldn't resist.)

R_P_A_S
15th June 2007, 03:49
LINUX???? awww they are fucked! lol

Avtomat_Icaro
16th June 2007, 15:32
Linux might be a bit harder to use, but in the end it will be better. Windows sucks, its filled with virusses and spyware, it keeps crashing and making errors after a while. That and you have to pays tons of money for it!

VukBZ2005
16th June 2007, 19:33
I am in agreement. My main problem with Linux, as a user, is that it does not have the kind of applications that would enable it to be easier to use or the right instruments in the applications that are there to make it so. The comparison between GIMP and Photoshop serves as an example of this.

That being said, I would rather the Venezuelan government pursue this path of technological development anyway, because it would eventually enhance the ability of Linux to eventually become a more usable product through the use of Linux computer programmers who are Venezuelan. And since this is already in included in the VIT computer products that are there, it would encourage that development to take place on an autonomous, group-focused basis as opposed to a non-autonomous, government-focused basis.

Avtomat_Icaro
16th June 2007, 19:46
Hmm, only problem now would be that these computers run on Intel processors.(which are US produced products if Im not mistaken) There would thus still be dependence on the US for technology, which is a shame...but ok hopefully we will see this change in the coming time. (and if the Chinese manage to produce stronger Dragon processors)

VukBZ2005
16th June 2007, 20:42
What can be done in Venezuela's case are to form an joint partnership with another Chinese company that makes processors or with Samsung, a South Korean company.

By forming these joint partnerships, the ability to gain access to the copyrights to these products would increase until it reaches a point in which Venezuela is completely able to make these products on its own accord and do so by using the copyrights it had obtained during the days of working together with other companies. This increases the capability of VIT over time to become the cornerstone of the Venezuelan electronics industry.

It may sound Capitalistic, but I am just looking at the way Venezuela is developing their industrial manufacturing capacity; after all, it is not at the point of establishing self-sufficiency, much less overabundance.