Legally carried self defence

[seraphim]

Hey guys after some discussions in other threads relating to knives, firearms etc. I thought it might be an idea to start a thread on items which can be used in defence, which can be legally carried on the UK streets.

For example:

Improvised knuckle duster:

2-3 50 pence pieces and a handkerchief, place coins bettween fingers and wrap tightly with handkerchief. It makes your punch a hell of a lot stronger, the handkerchief prevents marking of the target and if your stopped by the police all you have is a snot rag and a handfull of change!

Kubotan:

http://www.self-defense-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/kubotan01-brand.jpg

many items like maglight torches and various keyrings can be used in such a fasion.

Any more suggestions?

[fashbash]

A disposable cigarette lighter lined up behind the first bit of your fingers will help straighten your knuckles out allowing for a better punch, and also reduce the risk of breaking your fingers.

A large padlock can be fitted over the middle finger to give extra weight to your fist and may also mean that you don't actually touch what you hit. More pressure on one spot means wammo, broken jaw.

Also, keys and mobile phones can be held in a fist to give it extra weight, increasing the speed of your punch. Do remember, if using any kind of knuckle duster or improvised weapon, use a rolling punch. Go for the side of the face so that in effect you are just grazing the enemy, or a swing to the left or right with the opposite arm. If you punch straight, thats a broken wrist, fingers or knuckles, and if your hands are fucked you cant fight.

But don't kill anyone.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Organize to win the right to bare arms.

[bolshevik butcher]

There's enough gun crime and shootings in Britain as it is.

[Fawkes]

Wear steel-toe boots, they're a menace in a street fight in that they do the same thing as brass knuckles: keep the attacker from touching the target so as to reduce the risk of injury, and use a hardened material to concentrate the power of the blow and make it more painful.

[Yardstick]

Break off your car antenna and you have a really fast, painful weapon.

[eXacto]

Saw people using pin-gothic-jewellery as a weapon... I saw people breaking off trashcans and stuff to throw , if you're all black , then they won't know who it was and you can just leave the mess behind you...

[A-S M.]

go to a hardware store and look around, you'll see tons of possible weapons wich are all legal and not expensive, or make your own stuff, with a little imagination you'll get further then you would think

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

There's enough gun crime and shootings in Britain as it is.

Which shows that "gun control" doesn't work, and only serves to keep arms out of the hands of working people.

The enemies, exploiters and oppressors of workers have a monopoly on arms in countries like yours. Who do you think that benefits?

Do you think it is a coincidence that one of the first measures of most rightists that gain state power is to overturn the right to bare arms?

Do you think it is a coincidence that the Austrialian imperialists overturned the right to bare arms in the Solomon Islands as soon as they invaded?

[Yardstick]

Sorry but I think your kinda getting off topic with the gun control issue.

Is mace legal in the UK? Spray that in their face and you have enough time to escape or get that needed shot in.

[Organic Revolution]

Get in the gym or the basement and lift. You will gain more strength and look better. currently I'm benching 300, and if anyone wants the workout regiment, PM me and I'll send it to you.

[eXacto]

a can of deodorant and a lighter will work too i guess...

[A-S M.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 11:08 am
a can of deodorant and a lighter will work too i guess...
that can be dangerous, especially when you're in a group and the can could explode or something

good tip if you're facing more then one opponent, use a towel and a can of soda, put the can in the towel and swing it around like a madman, hehe schoolboy stuff ^^ it's probably only possible if you're planning something, because i don't see you walking around all day with a towel and a can of soda :-/

[An archist]

Originally posted by A-S M.+June 13, 2007 05:54 pm--> (A-S M. @ June 13, 2007 05:54 pm)
[email protected] 13, 2007 11:08 am
a can of deodorant and a lighter will work too i guess...
that can be dangerous, especially when you're in a group and the can could explode or something

good tip if you're facing more then one opponent, use a towel and a can of soda, put the can in the towel and swing it around like a madman, hehe schoolboy stuff ^^ it's probably only possible if you're planning something, because i don't see you walking around all day with a towel and a can of soda :-/ [/b]
Scarf and a beer?

[eXacto]

The beer will be gone once i arrive so... :D

[Yardstick]

Well, a towel is considered the most important thign in the universe so you should be carrying one around :D

And then just buy a soda...

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 11:16 pm
Is mace legal in the UK? Spray that in their face and you have enough time to escape or get that needed shot in.
Very bad idea. If you're fighting with someone, unless you're a very good kicker with very long legs, chances are that you are going to be up very close with them meaning covering them in a cloud of mace would be just as smart as spraying yourself in the eye with it. Of course, this is only if you're actually fighting with the person and you are grappling and stuff, but if you are being mugged and your goal is just to get away as fast as possible, mace isn't always bad.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Fawkes+June 13, 2007 09:58 pm--> (Fawkes @ June 13, 2007 09:58 pm)
[email protected] 12, 2007 11:16 pm
Is mace legal in the UK? Spray that in their face and you have enough time to escape or get that needed shot in.
Very bad idea. If you're fighting with someone, unless you're a very good kicker with very long legs, chances are that you are going to be up very close with them meaning covering them in a cloud of mace would be just as smart as spraying yourself in the eye with it. Of course, this is only if you're actually fighting with the person and you are grappling and stuff, but if you are being mugged and your goal is just to get away as fast as possible, mace isn't always bad. [/b]
Mace is directional - it doesn't go everywhere like smoke bomb.

Squirting it right into their eye can give them a really bad day.

[Rollo]

It's not the easiest to obtain but it's similar to mace. Just sprays into the face of the 'offender' and there face will be blue for no less than a week.

[Axel1917]

I don't live in Britain, so I don't know how well this aspect would work, but putting car keys between your fingers gives you a simple, improvised relatively sharp weapon. I have heard that cars are more of a problem to own over there for some reasons, i.e. petrol prices, parking spots hard to find, etc. I don't know if these reasons are true, though.

I suppose one could just use a house/apartment key just as easily, though. If your life is in danger, place the key between your pointer and middle finger, and go for the eye when you throw that punch.

I have heard that there is some kind of Fascist group floating around the city I plan to move to. Haven't ever run into them, but my car keys will make a simple improvised self-defense weapon if I end up being outnumbered or "outclassed" in fighting ability by those goons.

Home defense should be much easier, but it is probably not a common issue. I haven't heard of (although this could and possibly does happen) of Fascist thugs breaking into peoples' homes on a common basis. Perhaps go to a junk yard and get some object you could bring back home with you...perhaps a pipe, table leg, or something of that sort. Perhaps just use a butcher knife, cleaver, a hammer, a chain, a crude improvised spiked club, or some other utility tool. Not sure what would work well in Britain; over here in the US, I have this aspect a lot easier, as the US is far more lenient towards gun ownership. It wouldn't take me long for me to fetch one of my Yugoslavian SKS's and load it with a stripper clip. Not to mention that I would also have the blade bayonet as well.

[An archist]

For home defense (or squat defense), a very easy thing to do is to just throw some empty bottles. Glass is especially good because the shattering glass noise is quite terrifying (when you know the bottles are flying your way).

[eXacto]

If you have a squathouse to defend , you could go for a spudgun...mmmh , don't think it's legal , but throwing empty bottles isn't either , so...If you really want to carry something allong you could ,also go for smelly stuff (rotten stuff) , sours (bites , if cops see their plastic shield is boiling they will be scared!) , smoke bombs (to confuse the opponent) , for what axel just said : you could modify your keys so they're easier to handle and it is more difficult to cut yourself or hurt yourself. You could perhaps put a lighter behind it or something like that ...

[seraphim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 04:31 pm
Break off your car antenna and you have a really fast, painful weapon.
I live near a huge military training area and have managed to 'aquire' an aerial from a challenger 2 main battle tank it'd look a bit suspect carrying it around but for home defence it's extremely useful.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Elbows are a dangerous weapon.....if youve trained in Muay Thai they can kill!!


Nunachuku....are they legal?

Keys are a good une....a plug as stupid as it sounds is good...strong pen (metel)

[A-S M.]

1 word, molotov!! It's everything except legal but a lot of people get away with it, look at ungdomshuset... Ok lots of them didn't really got away with it either but I'm pretty sure some did ^^

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Originally posted by A-S [email protected] 17, 2007 03:34 pm
1 word, molotov!!
lol...or the tennis ball bomb, looks inocent

[seraphim]

Originally posted by Y Chwildro Comiwnyddol [email protected] 17, 2007 03:21 pm


Nunachuku....are they legal?


Not to carry on the street unfortunately, they're extremely good for crowd control!

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

yeah....i brought a pair in a market in Italy and took it back on a plane juat after the 7/7 bombings of London

They are very dangerous and effective

[Fawkes]

A molotov cocktail is possibly the worst self-defense weapon I've ever heard of---not to mention impractical. I suppose they could be good for squat/home defense though. And yeah, what Y Chwildro Comiwnyddol Cymraeq said is correct---elbows are very good for close range fighting along with knees and headbutts, but only if the latter is done correctly.

[Tower of Bebel]

a sheet of paper.

[Dr Mindbender]

Mace is illegal in the uk.

Im learning ninjutsu at the moment and it teaches you that almost anything can be turned into a weapon if you use it right. A handful of sand for example, can be thrown into your opponents eyes giving you an opportunity to give him a good old fashioned beat down.

[A-S M.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 05:15 pm
A molotov cocktail is possibly the worst self-defense weapon I've ever heard of---not to mention impractical. I suppose they could be good for squat/home defense though.
It's still self defence if a group of people is comming at you from a distance... :P

if you see it as a threat offcource

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by A-S M.+June 19, 2007 04:26 pm--> (A-S M. @ June 19, 2007 04:26 pm)
[email protected] 17, 2007 05:15 pm
A molotov cocktail is possibly the worst self-defense weapon I've ever heard of---not to mention impractical. I suppose they could be good for squat/home defense though.
It's still self defence if a group of people is comming at you from a distance... :P

if you see it as a threat offcource [/b]
a molotov cocktail would be useless at close to medium-ish range. Youd burn yourself as well as your assailant.

[Fawkes]

And also, who the hell is going to carry a molotov cocktail around with them anyway?

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 09:47 pm
And also, who the hell is going to carry a molotov cocktail around with them anyway?
In theory, all you need is a bottle of spirits, a handkerchief and a cigarette lighter, but then i suppose youd have to ask your target nicely if he minds waiting while you assemble the projectile! :D Although personally i can think of better things to do with £14 than buying a bottle of vodka just so i can throw it at some ****.

Just take up a martial art guys, fuck all these fancy contraptions.

[Fawkes]

Just take up a martial art guys, fuck all these fancy contraptions.
Do both, it doesn't hurt you to have as many advantages as possible.

[ely]

And what if you aren't a guy? My punches really don't pack a lot of punch.

[seraphim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 05:55 am
And what if you aren't a guy? My punches really don't pack a lot of punch.
Use your body weight lift your front foot slightly off the floor when you punch and use your back leg to spring into the punch. Practise it so that when you are in front of some one you know the range to spring into the punch and finish with your fist just behind your oponents head. even if you only weigh 6 or 7 stone that much weight through 3 inches of fist is gonna put down people 4 or 5 times your size and if you can get it to connect with their nose no matter how big they are they won't be able to see through the tears giving you ample time to turn on your heels and flee.

[seraphim]

Originally posted by A-S [email protected] 17, 2007 03:34 pm
1 word, molotov!! It's everything except legal but a lot of people get away with it, look at ungdomshuset... Ok lots of them didn't really got away with it either but I'm pretty sure some did ^^
HMMMM might present a problem in that if you got stopped by the police it might look like a slightly illegal offensive weapon!

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 05:55 am
And what if you aren't a guy? My punches really don't pack a lot of punch.
thats one of the advantages of doing my martial art as it teaches you how to exploit your opponents weaknesses. If you get the hang of applying your full weight into drop kicks for example, then you can easily knock down an opponent who is much heavier than yourself. Also, delivering an effective punch isnt necessarilly about how much force you apply to your arm, but more to do with the amount of mass you apply behind it. For example, rather than swinging your arm, if you lunge foward with your full body weight it will apply more inertia therefore you have more chance of dropping your enemy. Another technique is to strike using an outstrectched palm. The advantage of this over a clenched fist it that the more surface area behind the striking limb, then the more pressure you will also apply. Also its worth considering more effective targets to strike. Rather than simply punching your opponent in the face, and merely pissing him off for a few seconds it might be worth considering a blow to the throat using the above mentioned technique, where you are more likely to cause damage to the windpipe and neck bones.

Hope that helps! :P

[A-S M.]

if you're a girl defend against attackers like the woman in the movie "Double agent 73" does... ^^

[eXacto]

If you're a girl and your opponents a guy , just knee him in his balls...He'll be down for hours

[seraphim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 04:10 pm
If you're a girl and your opponents a guy , just knee him in his balls...He'll be down for hours
Now that's ......................................... well I was gonna say below the belt but that much is obvious :D let's say a cheap shot.

[Cult of Reason]

1. Always go for cheap shots. ;)

2. I have read that a hefty torch is a good choice. They cannot arrest you for having a torch, right?

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 04:52 pm
1. Always go for cheap shots. ;)

2. I have read that a hefty torch is a good choice. They cannot arrest you for having a torch, right?
No but they can arrest you for twatting someone with it in much the same way they can arrest you for punching someone.

''Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon'' -Grey Fox :lol:
http://www.geocities.com/gray_focks/Gray-fox.jpg

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 13, 2007 01:00 am

There's enough gun crime and shootings in Britain as it is.

Which shows that "gun control" doesn't work, and only serves to keep arms out of the hands of working people.


Well actually gun control does work to an extent. There proportion of shootings in Britain is far lower than in some countries where guns are legal, eg America. And no I don't think that banning guns will solve the underlying problems of crime that are inevitably caused by the class society in which we live but is that really the relevant point.

I don't think given individuals the right to have guns in their house is a major conquest for the working class. Of course I support the creation of working class militias and an armed working class resisting the ruling class but that's not whats being discussed here at all.

[Dr Mindbender]

Its not necessary to ban guns, just the bullets. Or at the very least make them so expensive that no one would ever think of firing them. ;)

[bolshevik butcher]

Was that not a chris rock sketch?

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 11:10 am
If you're a girl and your opponents a guy , just knee him in his balls...He'll be down for hours
Any person with half of a brain will expect that. Also, groin shots are not quite as damaging in a fight as they are made out to be. You should use groin shots, but don't rely solely on them.


And what if you aren't a guy? My punches really don't pack a lot of punch.
Just focus on hitting them in the right spots. Don't lift up your front foot when you punch like someone suggested because that'll put you off balance and your opponent will be able to see you going for a punch. When increasing punch strength, the main part of your body that you need to focus on is your hips. If you are in a right handed stance (that is: left foot slightly forward and left side of the body slightly forward) and you throw a right cross (a straight punch with your right hand), rotate your hips with the punch so that they are facing your opponent when it connects. This will give your punch a lot of strength while keeping your balance and the element of surprise. Also, when you go to punch, don't wind up. I would suggest that you get a heavy punching bag and a speed bag if you can afford it and begin taking some martial art. Ones that I would recommend are Krav Maga (street-style fighting), Systema (similar to Krav Maga from what I know), Muay Thai (kickboxing with elbows and knees thrown in), and Brazilian Jiujitsu (probably the best ground fighting technique around).

[ely]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 03:06 pm

thats one of the advantages of doing my martial art as it teaches you how to exploit your opponents weaknesses. If you get the hang of applying your full weight into drop kicks for example, then you can easily knock down an opponent who is much heavier than yourself. Also, delivering an effective punch isnt necessarilly about how much force you apply to your arm, but more to do with the amount of mass you apply behind it. For example, rather than swinging your arm, if you lunge foward with your full body weight it will apply more inertia therefore you have more chance of dropping your enemy. Another technique is to strike using an outstrectched palm. The advantage of this over a clenched fist it that the more surface area behind the striking limb, then the more pressure you will also apply. Also its worth considering more effective targets to strike. Rather than simply punching your opponent in the face, and merely pissing him off for a few seconds it might be worth considering a blow to the throat using the above mentioned technique, where you are more likely to cause damage to the windpipe and neck bones.

Hope that helps! :P
I actually found that really helpful Ulster Socialist, thanks.

Here's the thing about 'girls' hitting 'guys' in the groin.......if that is the recommended strategy for a girl to subdue her offender - why don't guys just do it to other guys???? If it is that effective for a girl, why wouldn't a guy go for the groin? Surely you aren't going to do male bonding/empathising with your attacker? It is not a tactical move I have ever heard recommended. And I would think would leave you fairly vulnerable for a counter-attack. Sigh.

Now the explanation Fawkes gave was brilliant, I am definitely intrigued and will find out more. Many thanks.

[seraphim]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+June 20, 2007 06:55 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ June 20, 2007 06:55 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 04:52 pm
1. Always go for cheap shots. ;)

2. I have read that a hefty torch is a good choice. They cannot arrest you for having a torch, right?
No but they can arrest you for twatting someone with it in much the same way they can arrest you for punching someone.

''Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon'' -Grey Fox :lol:
http://www.geocities.com/gray_focks/Gray-fox.jpg [/b]
But that's the point you can't be arressted for carrying it and that's the key thing. Maybe they can arresst you for twating somebody round the haed with it but if it's that or take a beating I know what I'd chose.

Best torch is the Maglite in any size

http://www.postfreeoutdoorgear.co.uk/acatalog/Maglite-dcell.jpg

[seraphim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 09:35 pm
Don't lift up your front foot when you punch like someone suggested because that'll put you off balance and your opponent will be able to see you going for a punch.
Um no it won't, Jeet kune do Bruce Lee's own fighting style is based upon lifting your foot millimeters off the ground. I'm not talking about a fucking crane stance. The whole concept is about not transfering your weight through the floor but through the punch. how do you think the inch punch works?

[eXacto]

Listen To Yoda , you must. An expert , he is!

[Dr Mindbender]

He just wants to carry a torch cause it looks like a light sabre handle! :D

I bet he makes that 'laser' noise with his mouth whenever he brandishes it to a fash :lol:

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 07:07 pm
Its not necessary to ban guns, just the bullets. Or at the very least make them so expensive that no one would ever think of firing them. ;)
Then only the bourgeoisie would have access to bullets. :(

Or are you telling that old Chris Rock joke?

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 09:15 am
Jeet kune do Bruce Lee's own fighting style
That is a very effective fighting style for self defence , along with Muay Thai (Thai Boxing) most traditional forms of Martial arts ar that exactley, an art, not a self defence and many of the elaborate moves are usless in a real life fight situation

[Geisskane]

Simple enough, a pen.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 02:04 pm
Simple enough, a pen.
yes, a james bond style pen with a built-in hidden laser gun! :ph34r: :P

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by seraphim+June 21, 2007 04:15 am--> (seraphim @ June 21, 2007 04:15 am)
[email protected] 20, 2007 09:35 pm
Don't lift up your front foot when you punch like someone suggested because that'll put you off balance and your opponent will be able to see you going for a punch.
Um no it won't, Jeet kune do Bruce Lee's own fighting style is based upon lifting your foot millimeters off the ground. I'm not talking about a fucking crane stance. The whole concept is about not transfering your weight through the floor but through the punch. how do you think the inch punch works? [/b]
It is not necessary to literally lift your foot off of the ground to transfer large amounts of weight from foot to foot. Lifting your foot often gives your opponent a hint as to what you are planning on doing. Plus, I wouldn't recommend putting all of your weight into a punch anyway because if you happen to miss, you are in a very unbalanced and vulnerable position.


Here's the thing about 'girls' hitting 'guys' in the groin.......if that is the recommended strategy for a girl to subdue her offender - why don't guys just do it to other guys???? If it is that effective for a girl, why wouldn't a guy go for the groin? Surely you aren't going to do male bonding/empathising with your attacker? It is not a tactical move I have ever heard recommended. And I would think would leave you fairly vulnerable for a counter-attack. Sigh.
Most guys don't do groin shots because of some unwritten law that groin shots are "cheap shots" and thus are un-honorable. Fuck that, I hit people in the balls.

[RedArmyFaction]

I think it's best just to carry CS spray for protection but i don't know if it's legal. If not a small deodorant spray is fine.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

on the foot liftinbg thing

i think a twist of the body as you punch and the twist of the rear foot is a more effective way to deliver a punch. It is what i have been taught in Muay Thai