The Best Goverment

[sunned by man]

I like to write short and to the point.
I am new so i wanted to get all my veiws out their to find out if i am in the right place to tell them if not tell me and i will gladly leave.
These are my view if you like them i can go more indepth on any point

There is no right or wrong goverment. (all goverments can have golden years and all goverments can have dark ages)
The Struture of goverment should not be the quest.
But the people inside the goverment should be the quest to perfection.

The govrment leader should never be protected or given any special treatment, for how can one be part of the people if they themselfs are not one with the people.
The only thing that a leader should get is the gradifaction of being the leader (anything else will give people the wrong insentive for being a leader)
The leader should live off the people, directly

The leader should be the voice of the people so is the leader dies, the voice dose not die because the voice is the people it repersents.

Nationalism is obserd just because i am born here why i must follow the laws that the people before me never had to follow.

Propaganda should never be used because if it used than people do somthing that they do not belive in and that is not giving the people power but taking the power away from the people.

A leader should never repersent people that they do not know first hand, so the most powerful leaders should be the grassroots leader and the least powerful of the leader should national leader. Why should someone I do not know tell me what to do?

No one should benifit from trade, why should the creators get fucked when it is them where all source of income comes from. Buisness men who mislead creators are crimials and should be punished so. Why should the income be funneld to them?

Mass manufacering takes the life and soul away from the people and the product

Religon is the most splended thing on earth but it should not be commercialize and should only be a personal conviction. Why should somone tell me how to worship my god?

Goverment should not unified everone has diffent beleifs and everyone should have the freedom to live under what goverment they want to live in if someone wants to live in a faciest nation let them. But everyone should have the choice of what goverment that they want to live by and i think that is the only way to know what goverments will live and what will die.

[redcannon]

well, you had a couple of good things right, i'm not so sure about there not being a right or wrong government. i suppose in a philosophical sense there is no right or wrong but not every government has its golden years, as you put it. I'm sure that if you check around the forum more you'll see how you fit in.

[temp918273]

Originally posted by sunned by [email protected] 11, 2007 01:03 am
Goverment should not unified everone has diffent beleifs and everyone should have the freedom to live under what goverment they want to live in if someone wants to live in a faciest nation let them. But everyone should have the choice of what goverment that they want to live by and i think that is the only way to know what goverments will live and what will die.
No, we should not tolerate fascism anywhere regardless of how many people 'want' it, it's a fucking pervasive cancer that seeks to subjugate everyone and everything to a totalitarian state. The "freedom" to "live under" the government you "want to" is not freedom at all and a sentiment we should all oppose.

We ought to be striving for control over our own lives, and playing an active part in a unified struggle for truth and a just society.

[Janus]

The leader should be the voice of the people so is the leader dies, the voice dose not die because the voice is the people it repersents.
In that case, why even bother with this "leader"?


Mass manufacering takes the life and soul away from the people and the product
Products don't have souls, they are simply material products. Technology isn't inherently good or evil, it is simply a tool of society and manifests itself through the economic system that supports it. With that said, ending mass manufacturing is only going to worsen the lives of the people.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

There is no right or wrong goverment. (all goverments can have golden years and all goverments can have dark ages)
Yes, but some governments have "golden years" that are very good and last a long time, and "dark ages" that are not so bad. Other governments have terrible "dark ages" nearly all the time, with very few "golden years" in between.

What I am saying is that just because all governments have their ups and downs, that does not mean all governments are the same.


The Struture of goverment should not be the quest.
But the people inside the goverment should be the quest to perfection.
This is a fundamental mistake, because the people inside the government are determined by the structure of the government. Each kind of government will attract a certain kind of people (for example, bourgeois democracies attract bureaucrats, dictatorships attract arrogant madmen, and so on). Further, once inside the government, the character of the man (or woman) is shaped and changed by the structure of government. I'm sure you've heard the expression "power corrupts".


Goverment should not unified everone has diffent beleifs and everyone should have the freedom to live under what goverment they want to live in if someone wants to live in a faciest nation let them. But everyone should have the choice of what goverment that they want to live by and i think that is the only way to know what goverments will live and what will die.
If you had an entirely new planet to populate, that might work. We could imagine the fascists going off on their own little island to set up their own little reactionary nightmare. But there simply is not enough room on Earth for everyone to have their own favourite government. Huge populations would have to leave their homes and move somewhere else. It's not feasible. And besides, some people (like the fascists you mentioned) are particularly attached to one piece of territory and will not give it up.

[Chicano Shamrock]

There is no right or wrong government? To me there is. All government is wrong. No matter if it is a socialist, capitalist or fascist government. It is always people telling me what to do and how to live my life.

I understand your point about a leader being one with the people and not having extra privileges. I think you will probably one day follow the logical path that the leader can never be one with the people. The leader is always in a different position or class than that of the people. You see the leader is a person who holds power over the people. That means the people are his slaves. The leader can never be one with the people until that leader renounces the position of being a leader and destroys the government system. Until then the leader will be more powerful than the rest.

Maybe you might come to the conclusion that the leader shouldn't hold power over the people. Maybe they should all share the power. Well in that case what good is the leader? Why even still have one? I believe the only logical thing is to rid ourselves of the leader and govern ourselves without leaders and bosses. Only then will there be any kind of oneness or unity.

I agree with you about nationalism and to an extent propaganda but I don't agree with you about fascism. Fascism wants to spread so even allowing it for people who "want" it is dangerous. Because then we get back into the leaders who by nature aren't one with the people.

I think you have a good starting point to learn from but you are not aware of some things. I suggest you read Emma Goldman's Anarchism: What it Really Stands For. You can download it in audio form free here http://www.audioanarchy.org/emma.php