Hypocrisy!!! - the soviet union constitution

[ravengod]

Article 50 [Expression]
(1) In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations.
(2) Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets, and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organizations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio
Article 54 [Personal Freedom]
Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No one may be arrested except by a court decision or on the warrant of a procurator.

Article 56 [Privacy]
The privacy of citizens, and of their correspondence, telephone conversations, and telegraphic communications is protected by law.

[CheViveToday]

Yes, that is a contradiction and something we can all learn and grow from. The Soviet Union crumbled, and this is because it obviously had many faults. These faults can and I believe will be corrected in the future, by future revolutionaries.

[Revolution Hero]

You better try to find hypocritical statements in US Constitution or in a constitution of whatsoever capitalistic state. Ravengod you dared to attack the Supreme Law of the first socialistic state, calling it hypocritical. You have done the biggest mistake, naming this thread “Hypocrisy!” instead of calling it “Socialistic Democracy”.

“(1) In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations.”

It was allowed to spread any information, which doesn’t contain anticommunist propaganda. Constructive criticism was allowed; destructive was prohibited. Enemies of the state (bourgeois class, opportunists and revisionists) did not have freedom to attack socialism. This is the most correct measure of socialistic democracy.

“(2) Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets, and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organizations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio”

Reality 100% conformed to the listed above.

“Article 54 [Personal Freedom]
Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No one may be arrested except by a court decision or on the warrant of a procurator.”

Reality 100% conformed to the listed above.

“Article 56 [Privacy]
The privacy of citizens, and of their correspondence, telephone conversations, and telegraphic communications is protected by law.”

The privacy could be broken only with the sanction of the Office of Public Prosecutor in the interests of criminal investigation. Seems that you took article 56 out of context (probably you didn’t quote the whole article) or there must be amendment to this article.

[ravengod]

there is no ammendment revolution hero
the article is full100%
there was no context
i don t understand why you try to defend a constitution so remote from reality
it is as clear as an elephant in a phone booth that the so called ussr democracy was afiction
reality showed mass killing fake trials abuses to personal freedom and belongings
and so on
the next article from their constitution is also a clear example
why compare it to US constitution?
we should try to clean or own back yard first and then to criticise others!
let s return to earth
once and for all
ussr sucked and we all know that
or do we?

Article 58 [Complaint]
(1) Citizens of the USSR have the right to lodge a complaint against the actions of officials, state bodies and public bodies. Complaints shall be examined according to the procedure and within the time-limit established by law.
(2) Actions by officials that contravene the law or exceed their powers, and infringe the rights of citizens, may be appealed against in a court in the manner prescribed by law.
(3) Citizens of the USSR have the right to compensation for damage resulting from unlawful actions by state organizations and public organizations, or by officials in the performance of their duties.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote from ravengod:” there is no ammendment revolution hero
the article is full100%
there was no context”

Don’t you think that it is rational to break that article in the interest of investigation? Successful investigation can save many lives; why should we care for somebody’s privacy in this case?

Quote from ravngod:” i don t understand why you try to defend a constitution so remote from reality”

However, you did not prove that it had been “remote from reality”.

Quote from ravengod:” reality showed mass killing fake trials abuses to personal freedom and belongings
and so on”

Open history book and learn what happened in the USSR after Stalin’s death. I don’t think you will find any mention of “mass killing fake trials abuses to personal freedom and belongings.” BTW when was the quoted Constitution published?

Quote from ravengod:” ussr sucked and we all know that
or do we?”

I don’t think you understood what you said. The man whose signature says:” Che Guevara Forever!” must show at least some respect to socialism and communism. Unlike you, Che respected Soviet Union. You don’t deserve to have this signature!

” Article 58 [Complaint]
(1) Citizens of the USSR have the right to lodge a complaint against the actions of officials, state bodies and public bodies. Complaints shall be examined according to the procedure and within the time-limit established by law.
(2) Actions by officials that contravene the law or exceed their powers, and infringe the rights of citizens, may be appealed against in a court in the manner prescribed by law.
(3) Citizens of the USSR have the right to compensation for damage resulting from unlawful actions by state organizations and public organizations, or by officials in the performance of their duties.”

What is wrong here, hypocrite?

[ravengod]

whatever
i refuse to talk to you in this way
are u blind?
were any of these ammendents respected?
give me one example
and i will tell u about the million people who were killed for political reasons
and so on
freedom of speech my ass

[Hegemonicretribution]

Quote from ravengod:” ussr sucked and we all know that
or do we?”

I don’t think you understood what you said. The man whose signature says:” Che Guevara Forever!” must show at least some respect to socialism and communism. Unlike you, Che respected Soviet Union. You don’t deserve to have this signature!

” Article 58 [Complaint]
(1) Citizens of the USSR have the right to lodge a complaint against the actions of officials, state bodies and public bodies. Complaints shall be examined according to the procedure and within the time-limit established by law.
(2) Actions by officials that contravene the law or exceed their powers, and infringe the rights of citizens, may be appealed against in a court in the manner prescribed by law.
(3) Citizens of the USSR have the right to compensation for damage resulting from unlawful actions by state organizations and public organizations, or by officials in the performance of their duties.”

What is wrong here, hypocrite?




It is my understanding that while Che preffered the USSR to capitalist countries, he still criticised it. Especially for its trading with capitalist countries(which was to some extent understandable). It would appear that the USSR was not far enough for him. He may have maintained respect for it, but then again so did America, or they wouldn't of seen it as a threat.

I may be wrong my knowledge in this area isn't great.

[Revolution Hero]

The Soviet people and Soviet state respected all articles of the Soviet Constitution. This doesn’t need to be proved, as this is the indisputable fact. You want freedom of speech- you have it, you may criticize any state official, even gensec, his/ her policy, but please be constructive; only working class and peasants, in another words working people, can enjoy the freedom of speech. If you want to spread anticommunist propaganda then you are the enemy of the socialistic state and you have to be oppressed. Did you get it?
You said that Soviet constitution had been far from reality and still you did not prove it. Obviously, you just don’t know what you talk about…

[Pete]

Quote: from ravengod on 2:19 pm on Feb. 17, 2003
whatever
i refuse to talk to you in this way
are u blind?
were any of these ammendents respected?
give me one example
and i will tell u about the million people who were killed for political reasons
and so on
freedom of speech my ass


Supplying your source and answering comrade Revolutionary Heroes questions, instead of repeating your self and flaming would be benificial to many other comrades. Don't get caught up in a rage over propaganda that you are used to hearing and what really happened. In the USSR the people could have a factory owner removed for oppressing them, they could have a public offical removed for the same thing, or for going against the communist ideals. I believe that Stalin was just the face the teh CCCP had to show the world so they could have respect. Please answer Comrade Revolutionary Hero's questions or stop posting in this thread, you are not helping anyone with posts like the one above!

Pete

[Revolution Hero]

Actually USSR did not have trade relations with any of capitalistic states (at least during the time you talked about), Soviet Union had trade relations with other socialistic states: Eastern European states, which altogether formed the Council for Mutual Economic Aid, with North Korea, Vietnam and Cuba. In fact, Che respected USSR not only for the reason that it was brotherly socialistic state, but also for the reason that it bought Cuban sugar, Che even said that USSR was one of the leading sugar producers in the world, but it still bought our sugar to keep Cuba on its feet.
The difference between the natures of political respect respect:
Socialistic state respected USSR and loved it.
Imperialistic states respected USSR and feared it.


Crazy Pete is completely right. This man knows the truth.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 10:21 pm on Feb. 18, 2003
Actually USSR did not have trade relations with any of capitalistic states (at least during the time you talked about), Soviet Union had trade relations with other socialistic states: Eastern European states, which altogether formed the Council for Mutual Economic Aid, with North Korea, Vietnam and Cuba. In fact, Che respected USSR not only for the reason that it was brotherly socialistic state, but also for the reason that it bought Cuban sugar, Che even said that USSR was one of the leading sugar producers in the world, but it still bought our sugar to keep Cuba on its feet.
The difference between the natures of political respect respect:
Socialistic state respected USSR and loved it.
Imperialistic states respected USSR and feared it.


Crazy Pete is completely right. This man knows the truth.


I knew about the sugar but I thought the USSR was trading with capitalist nations:

"His formal breach with the Soviet Communist came when, addressing the Organization for Afro-Asian Solidarity at Algiers (February 1965) he charged the USSR with being a 'tacit accomplice of imperialism' by not trading exclusively with the Communist bloc and by not giving underdeveloped socialist countries aid without any thought of return. He also attacked the Soviet government for its policy of coexistence; and for Revisionism. He initiated the Tricontiental Conference to realize a program of revolutionary, insurrectionary, guerrilla cooperation in Africa, Asia and South America. On the other hand, after a halfhearted attempt to come to some kind of terms with the USA, he was also attacking the North Americas, at the UN as Cuba's representative there, for their greedy and merciless imperialist activity in Latin America."

That was from a biography from this site, although I am sure I read similar elsewhere. Anyway like I said I might be wrong, this ain't my strongest area, I only have what I have read.