graffic's "racist" smear against comrades

[graffic]

I havnt regarded Palestinians as subhuman.

Racist comments?

Why werent you banned for showing support to a clearly racist Fundamental party?

[graffic]

Why wasnt RUV banned for claiming denying the Holocaust was 'understandable'?

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 02:53 pm
I havnt regarded Palestinians as subhuman.

Racist comments?

Why werent you banned for showing support to a clearly racist Fundamental party?
You claimed all Arabs were the same, which is a classic racist comment.

Me supporting a fundamentalist party? I suppose you refer to Hamas, which would be odd given I have never supported Hamas. I share a cause with them (Palestinian Liberation), that does not mean I agre with them on other matters.

[graffic]

Originally posted by Demogorgon+June 04, 2007 03:01 pm--> (Demogorgon @ June 04, 2007 03:01 pm)
[email protected] 04, 2007 02:53 pm
I havnt regarded Palestinians as subhuman.

Racist comments?

Why werent you banned for showing support to a clearly racist Fundamental party?
You claimed all Arabs were the same, which is a classic racist comment.

Me supporting a fundamentalist party? I suppose you refer to Hamas, which would be odd given I have never supported Hamas. I share a cause with them (Palestinian Liberation), that does not mean I agre with them on other matters. [/b]

Thats not the point

Certain members have been claiming Hamas are not Anti-semitic, this is the equivalent of claiming the BNP are not racist. Why have they not been banned?

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by graffic+June 04, 2007 04:12 pm--> (graffic @ June 04, 2007 04:12 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 03:01 pm

[email protected] 04, 2007 02:53 pm
I havnt regarded Palestinians as subhuman.

Racist comments?

Why werent you banned for showing support to a clearly racist Fundamental party?
You claimed all Arabs were the same, which is a classic racist comment.

Me supporting a fundamentalist party? I suppose you refer to Hamas, which would be odd given I have never supported Hamas. I share a cause with them (Palestinian Liberation), that does not mean I agre with them on other matters.
You support the destruction of Israel and a Palestinian state, which would be run by Hamas - A racist fundamental party.

Not only that certain members have been claiming Hamas are not Anti-semitic, this is the equivalent of claiming the BNP are not racist. Why have they not been banned? [/b]
When did I ever call for a Palestinain state run by Hamas?

[Revolution Until Victory]

There are loads of leftists who support Israel

graffic, there were loads of leftists that supported French colonization of Algeria, or the settler-colony Rhodesia, how does that change anything? those who support Apartheid, racism, opression, and colonizations have nothing to do with the "left", they can CLAIM they are leftists, but no one would even take them seriously.


Why werent you banned for showing support to a clearly racist Fundamental party?

Hamas isn't racist or fundemantal. the Primary goal of Hamas is the total end of colonialism and the liberation of man and land, not Islam. Same thing as the PFLP, the primary goal of the PFLP is the total end of colonialism and the liberation of man and land, not communism.


Why wasnt RUV banned for claiming denying the Holocaust was 'understandable'?

I didn't claim denying the holocaust was understandable. I clearly said if a genocide against some people was used to justify the genocide of YOUR people, then, obviously, it would be understandable for yout to deny it. I understand if a person was broke and dieing from hunger, stole some moeny to eat with, but I won't accept it. I'm sure all members here agree. there is a difference between accepting something, and between simply understanding it. I wouldn't support diving in football games, but I would understand it if your team were loosing in a very important game.


You support the destruction of Israel and a Palestinian state, which would be run by Hamas - A racist fundamental party.

that's just utter childish lunacy. aftert the liberation of Palestine, BOTH jews and arabs together as EQUALS will rule a liberated Palestine. Hamas was voted into power by only a MINORITY of the palestinain people; those living in the Bantustans called occuipied terretories. the Palestinains outside of the OT didn't vote. the sole legitamite representative of the Palestinains is the socialist, progressive, nationalist, secular PLO. in fact, the sole legitatmite representative of ANY colonized or occupied people, is its resistance.
and as I mentioned before, Hamas is neither racist nor fundemantalist.

garffic, zionism is a 19th century traditional colonial idea, that isn't different form other racist colonial ideas around Europe at that time. supporting Zionism is equal to supporting French colonization of Algeria, European colonization of Rhodesia, European colonization of South Africa, and all other colonial missions. there is no excuse for that.

[bezdomni]

Hamas is anti-zionist and anti-imperialist, some comrades think it is a good idea to support them for those reasons alone.

The BNP seeks to expand the imperialist powers of the UK, which is why supporting Hamas is not like supporting the BNP.

[KC]

I like how whenever the issue at hand is about something graffic can't respond to, he immediately changes the subject to try to reverse the target to someone else.

[graffic]

How is this a racist smear against comrades?

Anyone who denys Hamas are racist, is denying racism - make of that what you will..

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 10:27 am
How is this a racist smear against comrades?
You are smearing leftists as racist, with no evidence.


Anyone who denys Hamas are racist, is denying racism - make of that what you will..

:rolleyes: You don't know much about anti-imperialism do you?

[graffic]

Jazzrat - in your opinion are Hamas anti-semitic?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 11:05 am
Jazzrat - in your opinion are Hamas anti-semitic?
In my opinion it is irrelevant.

[graffic]

Just answer the question

[Jazzratt]

I don't see what relevance the question has to the argument and refuse to answer it until you illustrate it.

[graffic]

Certain members of this forum have been defending Hamas claiming they are not anti-semitic. I find this offensive, and I'm interested to how anyone on the left can justify defending a party with racist views. How anyone can claim those views arent racist (when they are)

[cubist]

i dont support hamas but i advocate the cuase,

whats wrong with being anti zionist LOL

im not anti semetic the jews are not my problem there bullshit politics and relentless murder of palestinians is where my disdain for isreal lies, i

[graffic]

Why don't you answer my question Jazzratt?

This pretty much sums up your argument, once the truth comes out your silent.

[graffic]

Originally posted by Demogorgon+June 04, 2007 04:56 pm--> (Demogorgon @ June 04, 2007 04:56 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 04:12 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 03:01 pm

[email protected] 04, 2007 02:53 pm
I havnt regarded Palestinians as subhuman.

Racist comments?

Why werent you banned for showing support to a clearly racist Fundamental party?
You claimed all Arabs were the same, which is a classic racist comment.

Me supporting a fundamentalist party? I suppose you refer to Hamas, which would be odd given I have never supported Hamas. I share a cause with them (Palestinian Liberation), that does not mean I agre with them on other matters.
You support the destruction of Israel and a Palestinian state, which would be run by Hamas - A racist fundamental party.

Not only that certain members have been claiming Hamas are not Anti-semitic, this is the equivalent of claiming the BNP are not racist. Why have they not been banned?
When did I ever call for a Palestinain state run by Hamas? [/b]
By supporting the creation of a Palestinian state and the destruction of the Jewish state. You think all the nasty right - wing partys will just fade away? - a magic secular party will come out of Palestine and rule a free democratic Palestine. Give me a break

[Labor Shall Rule]

To Graffic:

"Certain members of this forum have been defending Hamas claiming they are not anti-semitic. I find this offensive, and I'm interested to how anyone on the left can justify defending a party with racist views. How anyone can claim those views arent racist (when they are)"

I don't think anyone has denied that they are anti-semetic; my point in that topic was that their programme wasn't reflective of the popular aspirations of the workers and poor farmers within Palestine, so they shouldn't be be treated as so. You seemed to racially lump the localities that elected Hamas as centers for fiery anti-semitism itself, which is certainly not correct. This is an utterly backward, reactionary position - we adhere to the fact that Palestinians should be able to determine their own status instead of being preyed on by Israeli and American imperialists.

[graffic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 07:07 pm
To Graffic:

I don't think anyone has denied that they are anti-semetic
Read the actual thread and them come back to me RedDali

[Labor Shall Rule]

Originally posted by graffic+June 20, 2007 07:34 pm--> (graffic @ June 20, 2007 07:34 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 07:07 pm
To Graffic:

I don't think anyone has denied that they are anti-semetic
Read the actual thread and them come back to me RedDali [/b]
I read something you wrote in this thread, quoted it, and responded to it?

[graffic]

Originally posted by RedDali+June 20, 2007 07:44 pm--> (RedDali @ June 20, 2007 07:44 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 07:34 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 07:07 pm
To Graffic:

I don't think anyone has denied that they are anti-semetic
Read the actual thread and them come back to me RedDali
I read something you wrote in this thread, quoted it, and responded to it? [/b]
Read the thread about why the left demonizes Israel further down the page. There are people who deny Hamas are anti-semitic.

[Ismail]

As a note, I do not believe that Hamas in general is anti-semitic. (All its supporters, etc)

Of course quite a few of its members are anti-semitic, mainly due to the aggressive actions of Israel, but I still take a "Popular Front" view of them regardless.

So yes Dali, some do deny that they are, for the most part, anti-semitic.