No unemployment in Communism and Socialism - How is this pos

[CopperGoat]

I have constantly read about how a communist or socialist society will have 100% employment and 0% unemployment. How is this possible? Also, would this stay permanent?

[MJM]

No competition for labour means the work will be spread among the workers equally, hence no unemployment and a lot more spare time to do your own thing.

[Just Joe]

in theory, thats how it works, but in practice, no unemployment in Communist states is different.

the state basically becomes a huge welfare state that offers basic rights like housing, work, health care and education. the Soviet Union actually set up factories that were never intended to get out of the red just to employ people. it was basically illegal not to work and they'd always find you a job somewhere.

[redstar2000]

Yes, JustJoe, and sometimes two or three...it wasn't as if you actually had to show up and do anything.

Such "make work" schemes do have the advantage of providing "work" and income for those who would be "unemployable" in capitalist societies at any wage.

And they certainly avoid the stigma of "welfare bums" or "being on the dole".

The trick isn't just in a 0% unemployment rate; the trick is finding socially useful work that is clearly rewarding for its own sake for everyone.

A very difficult proposition...but I do think the USSR could have tried harder.

:cool:

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 12:54 am on Feb. 8, 2003
Yes, JustJoe, and sometimes two or three...it wasn't as if you actually had to show up and do anything.

Such "make work" schemes do have the advantage of providing "work" and income for those who would be "unemployable" in capitalist societies at any wage.

And they certainly avoid the stigma of "welfare bums" or "being on the dole".

The trick isn't just in a 0% unemployment rate; the trick is finding socially useful work that is clearly rewarding for its own sake for everyone.

A very difficult proposition...but I do think the USSR could have tried harder.

:cool:

Quote:” Yes, JustJoe, and sometimes two or three...it wasn't as if you actually had to show up and do anything.”

Two or three what? If you meant jobs, then I have to object to your statement, Each Soviet citizen had only ONE job, which was given to him/her according to his/her specialization. Each citizen HAD to “show up” and “do something”.

Quote:” the trick is finding socially useful work that is clearly rewarding for its own sake for everyone.”

This was realized in the USSR. This was and must be realized in any socialistic state.

[Blibblob]

What i would like was for people to choose their jobs, what they want to do. And those who can't, can just talk to a governmental offical. Wake up the next morning, "youve got a job". It may not be the best, but hey, sorry, didnt choose fast enough, or werent smart enough.

Wanna be a physist, but you cant do math worth shit, fool. Should have picked something on your level, the government will help you out.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The greatest aspects of Communism is to create a society in which all are productive and equaly rewarded. Making factories simply to employ people is foolish, instead, move the people to a new location where their might be a new job. For those who are incapable of working and contributing to society, their is no shame in seeking aid. I would imagine such situations would be limited to the metaly or physicaly handicapped.

[Blibblob]

Or take a small Nazi side, and speed up evolution a bit.

[Larissa]

Cuba is a good example, unemployment is 0%. Everyone has to either work or study. And some people do have more than one job.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Wen my father was in Romania he told me that in the universitys they did a census on how much doctors ,teachers ,engineers they needed.That way they made a limit so people that went for any career had the posibility to get a job without having to wait until somebody got fired.

[Blibblob]

That sounds like a good idea, why isnt the US that smart.

[Larissa]

Quote: from Guardia Bolivariano on 12:04 pm on Feb. 8, 2003
Wen my father was in Romania he told me that in the universitys they did a census on how much doctors ,teachers ,engineers they needed.That way they made a limit so people that went for any career had the posibility to get a job without having to wait until somebody got fired.
Same method in Cuba. You can choose among the vacancies that exist for certain carrers within your area and those who get the higher degrees fill the vacancies, those with lower degrees have to choose among other close-related careers, but everyone ends up studying plus students get paid a salary during their university career so their parents don't have to waste on books, traveling to the location of the university, food, etc.

This way, the make ceratin the have the quantity of architects, doctors, teachers, engineers, etc. the population needs to have per capita.

[CopperGoat]

Hey Larissa, are you serious that Cuba has 0% unemployment? THAT IS GREAT! That is somehting to smear in the Capitalits face eh? Can't wait to tell it to everyone i know. Thanx for the info!!

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Larissa on 12:27 am on Feb. 9, 2003
Cuba is a good example, unemployment is 0%. Everyone has to either work or study. And some people do have more than one job.


Unemployment is the main feature of all socialistic states. So, Cuba is not alone…

[Larissa]

Quote: from CopperGoat on 8:06 pm on Feb. 8, 2003
Hey Larissa, are you serious that Cuba has 0% unemployment? THAT IS GREAT! That is somehting to smear in the Capitalits face eh? Can't wait to tell it to everyone i know. Thanx for the info!!
Absolutely, my dear comrade.