Jews and communism

[ravengod]

Misunderstanding or reality?
Fact 1: I ve read in a book something about a letter from Marx to some jew guy saying that the communism is promised to the jewish people and they shall rule the world in this new communist order
Fact 2 Marx was a jew
Fact 3 : In my country jews fought against home soldiers only because they were fighting along with nazis(that is in the second world war)
in other words they killed my own people for sick reasons even if they weer treated with the iggest respect from all other beligerant counties

Question: Is communism a jewish manoeuvre?
If not then what is the connexion between communism and jews?

[man in the red suit]

I know that Marx was once a Jew. He was an anti semite so he converted to protestism. I read a few of his letters to Engels and he does not sound to fond of the Jewish people. He tends to stereotype them as fat, rich cheating pigs.

Jews can be attracted to communism because communism stresses equality. As the Jews being a minority subject to discrimination, they often times sympathize with communism which stresses equality. Therefore I do not think that communism is anymore Jewish than it is black, Mexican, Chinese, etc etc. the list is endless. Any minority is more likely to support communism than the white bourgeoisie.

[Michael De Panama]

"He was an anti semite"

Incorrect. He was a semite. He always was a semite. You can't change that. That is his race. He was absolutely in no way against fellow semites simply for being semitic either. He was opposed to all religion equally, which just so happens to include Judaism. There are plenty of secular Jews out there.

"so he converted to protestism."

Incorrect. His father converted, and for the reason of avoiding the flood of anti-semetism in Europe going on.

"He tends to stereotype them as fat, rich cheating pigs."

Always keep in mind when studying Marx that everything has a bourgeois side and a proletarian side. Flip open the Manifesto. We are not advocating the abolition of property. We are advocating the abolition of bourgeois property. We do not advocate the destruction of economics. We advocate the destruction of bourgeois economics. We are not opposed to democracy. We are opposed to the tainted bourgeois plutocratic facade of democracy. Likewise, Marx was not against the Jews. He was against the bourgeois Jews. There were pleeeenty of working class Jews during Marx's days that he celebrated. Marx himself was one of them.

[redstar2000]

Funny how this stuff pops up over and over again...like some kind of urban myth that gains credence, gets discredited, people forget about it, and then...it pops up again.

1. Observant religious Jews cannot be communists...communism is an atheistic, materialistic philosophy.

2. People who come from a Jewish cultural/ethnic background can be communists, of course, as can anyone from any background. As a persecuted minority in many European countries, ethnic/cultural "Jews" were and are likely to be found to be somewhat "over-represented" in progressive/revolutionary movements and parties.

3. Marx was a product of his time...in private letters to Engels he sometimes gave way in anger at some of his opponents to racial or anti-semetic epithets that were in common usage in the middle decades of the 19th century. Nothing of this sort of thing appears in any of his serious work, of course.

4. Modern biologists no longer use the concept of "race" at all...decades of research have shown it to be a useless idea that can't explain anything.

5. There is no "letter to some jew guy" saying that communism is "promised to the jews" or that "the jews will rule the world." That is pure horseshit.

6. Ravengod, there's no country listed in your profile so I can't be sure...but I know of no country where Jews fought alongside the Nazis, which is what you seem to be saying. If I've misunderstood, and what you're actually saying is that the Jews fought the soldiers of your country because your country was one of those allied with the 3rd Reich...all I can say to that is: good for them!

:cool:

[James]

Good responses Comrades, especially M de P

[Blibblob]

Communism doesnt have to be atheistic. It just has to be one religion. Jews are supposidly supperior, because the bible said so.

Im not saying that marx was anti-semite, (anyone can be at times) but you can be against your "race". I, for one, am supposidly catholic, but i HATE catholics (stupid church).

"4. Modern biologists no longer use the concept of "race" at all...decades of research have shown it to be a useless idea that can't explain anything. "

And that was almost exactly what i was gonna say.

[redstar2000]

Sorry, Blibblob, but real communism (Marxism) is most definitely atheistic and materialistic.

I know there are small groups of religious communists--the Hutterian Breathern perhaps being the outstanding example--but I don't really count them as communists in the modern sense. They date from the 16th century peasant rebellions in Germany against feudalism and the Roman Catholic Church. They have no interest in changing the world; they just want to escape it.

:cool:

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 6:07 am on Feb. 6, 2003
"He was an anti semite"

Incorrect. He was a semite. He always was a semite. You can't change that. That is his race. He was absolutely in no way against fellow semites simply for being semitic either. He was opposed to all religion equally, which just so happens to include Judaism. There are plenty of secular Jews out there.



I saw a guy once one tv. This guy was very racist, anti-black, called names,head shaved etc. The special thing about this that he is black.

How would you call this guy?

[Revolution Hero]

Quote from ravengod:” I ve read in a book something about a letter from Marx to some jew guy saying that the communism is promised to the jewish people and they shall rule the world in this new communist order”

Throw this book into the trashcan. It deserves to be there.

Quote from Blibblob:” Jews are supposidly supperior, because the bible said so.”

The Bible doesn’t say this. Moreover we communists don’t believe to what Bible says.

Quote from CCCP:” I saw a guy once one tv. This guy was very racist, anti-black, called names,head shaved etc. The special thing about this that he is black.
How would you call this guy?”

Self- murderer, with the extremely high will of self- destruction.

[Show me the Money]

It's not strange, altough the Sov Union has liberated some country's from participation in the Third Empire of Hitler, they're are still scared for being confronted with communist ideas... because Jews aren't really one race but actually (just?) a religious movement, and communism would undermine their existence.

(Edited by Show me the Money at 10:14 pm on Feb. 10, 2003)