Psychopats go home! - about those justifying mass murder

[ravengod]

I ve read today som ereplies which made me sick
how can we justify murder?
are we so goddamn sure we are preaching the right thing?
do we have to kill in order to make a point?
will we start thinking and stop reacting violent?
are we gods to judge upon life and death?
i think not
hell with all you who preach mass murder
this is not communism

[Dhul Fiqar]

Eh, I am home :)

And I make a distinction between killing in self defence or revolution and just killing for fun...

--- G.

[stalinorgel]

one day we kill all capitalist pig's

[Hegemonicretribution]

Things can be achieved without violence, Ghandi did with virtually no violence, but in more recent times people are silenced for trying to speak out, companies like shell and coca cola are known for it. In these circumstances a little bloodshed may be necessary, because there is no other option. This is when people like Che are handy, you say it can't be justified, yet are a supporter of Che Guevara who has caused a few deaths. If you are refering to mass murder alone though perhaps you are right.

[Eastside Revolt]

Quote: from stalinorgel on 10:03 am on Feb. 1, 2003
one day we kill all capitalist pig's


And what or who is to determine what a "capitalist pig" is,eh?

[Revolution Hero]

Ravengod is simply a coward.
His signature says:” Che Guevara Forever!” Do you admire killer (in your understanding Che was murderer), ravengod?

What I say is that violence is sometimes inevitable during a revolution. It is just stupid not to answer back on the attempts of bourgeois class to restore their power, the same as not to fight for the liberation from imperialistic oppression or for the achieving of socialism…

[Blibblob]

im going to kill you...

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[Blibblob]

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all hail stupidity...

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[kylie]

fdeaths.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Very true.

Heck, I killed a small man on my way to work this morning and I've never felt better. :biggrin:

--- G.

[thursday night]

How could your signature be 'Che Guevara Forever' and then preach non-violence? I'm sorry but that is extremely backward.

[kylie]

uip

[Show me the Money]

for a swift revolution you should be able to minimalize casualties, and so it wouldn't count as mass-murder
(well maybe only if the revolution would occur simultaniously in multiple countries, and by different people, which could make it have a massive impact, but not a slaughter, like we see with the US vs Cultural and Governmental Differences-situation).

Futhermore, minimizing casualties in war isn't a warcrime, so killing Dubya or Ariel is neither

[Revolution Hero]

You should count all capitalists, their supporters and soldiers of bourgeois army…All of them are hypothetic victims of socialistic revolution. Mass murder is inevitable during the violent revolution; it is also inevitable during the first years of socialistic building…

[Blibblob]

We don't need mass murder at all. Elimintate the most dangerous to the revolution, those who are intelligent enough to know why they fight back, and run a diplomatic and social front. Make people understand why you are fighting, dont say "for communism". They will be like, "what the fuck, why?". You have to explain it out, peice by peice, person by person. It can't be a quick revolution where nobody on either side knows why. That wont work, "slow and steady steady and slow, thats the way we ought to go".

Until they understand WHY, and then a quick slaughter of the leaders, and ta da!, Socialism.

[kylie]

ui.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote from Blibblob:” Elimintate the most dangerous to the revolution, those who are intelligent enough to know why they fight back, and run a diplomatic and social front. Make people understand why you are fighting, dont say "for communism".”

Do you think that “most dangerous to the revolution” group consists of a couple of people?

Communists educate masses before revolution, not during it.

Quote from feoric:” most people who support capitalism are just uneducated on the alternatives and have been fed years of pro capitalist properganda.”

True. But you also have to consider class interests. For example, think about bourgeois ruling class, who has such a mighty power, as army. Of course, half of the soldiers would probably side with us communists, but still another half (if not more) will fight against us.
As a result we have bloody civil war and this civil war is not about killing thousands, but millions.

[Blibblob]

"Do you think that “most dangerous to the revolution” group consists of a couple of people?

Communists educate masses before revolution, not during it. "

Holy shit, thats what i ment. During revolution, that is MAD. Before, and after.

Those who are dangerous to the revolution are just a few people. The others are blind, they follow their master. They have been brainwashed, the have no clue why they follow, they just do. Break the brainwashing of them, and kill the masters. Short, simple revolution. But it must occur simultaniously and everywhere.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote from Blibblob:” Those who are dangerous to the revolution are just a few people.”

Unfortunately, bourgeois class doesn’t consist of few people…

Quote from Blibblob:” The others are blind, they follow their master. They have been brainwashed, the have no clue why they follow, they just do. Break the brainwashing of them, and kill the masters. “

Agree. Brainwashing must be “broken” before the revolution, so those who were previously considered hypothetical bourgeois class supporters would not support the counter- revolutionary forces. But it is impossible to cure all people at the same time, some ignorant brainwashed minds will always remain in any society.

[kylie]

uhi

[Blibblob]

"Unfortunately, bourgeois class doesn’t consist of few people… "

Yes the actual bourgeois does consist of a few people. The top (im thinking, too lazy to check with actual statistics) 2 or 3% hold like (still too lazy) 70% or more, naw, most likely less, of the world's money. Almost all live in the US.

Those who believe and hope that they have enough money to be the bourgeois, are all just brainwashed. They need to be shown that Bill Gates actually does control the world. Its economy, and that pretty much is the world.

[red warlock]

murder??
do you think thatby promoting violence and other related features people will accept communism...On the contrary they will use all their resources to fight communism and it's admirers...
I saw threads here wtitting something about gulags of death...you people don't have the faintest sociological idea about the cosequences of a concept like this can be if it is preached...
get real !!!!!!!!!!!
future communist ideology that must wear the fingerprint of a genius must be non-violent ...you must teach people that communism is good and is the only way to rule the world....if you turn to stalinism or other imbecil methods they will gather all their forces to fight you...Che Guevara was a genius from the past, so was Marx. You can't apply their ideology exactly to the present moment....Future communist ideolo9gyn is differnt from the past ones
And another thing, for those who pretend they are anarchists and communists at the same you should read more Lenin, comrades...he clearly prooves that the two ideologies are in total opposition...If you don't find Lenin's works search for Marx...He opposes totally to Bakunin's ideology...

[Larissa]

Quote: from Dhul Fiqar on 2:07 am on Feb. 1, 2003
Eh, I am home :)

And I make a distinction between killing in self defence or revolution and just killing for fun...

--- G.
I second that. And, BTW, I'm home too. :wink: