Sparticist League and PSL

[OneBrickOneVoice]

What do you think of these two organizations. I'm just curious because I was convinced by members of both organizations to give my contact to them.

[Rawthentic]

Just another cultish sect claiming to be "communist" as so many others. The Spartacists are amongst the most sectarian bastards ever.

Each claims to adhere to Lenin's theories, but there are very few organizations or people that truly understand Lenin and don't distort it from other "communist" leaders or regimes.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

The Spartacists are amongst the most sectarian bastards ever.
I met one at an anti-war demo. Very critical of anarchism.

[Rawthentic]

I am critical of anarchism as well. Thats not what constitutes sectarianism though.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Secondly, Trotskyism is distrust of the Bolshevik Party principle, of the monolithic character of the Party, of its hostility towards opportunist elements. In the sphere of organisation, Trotskyism is the theory that revolutionaries and opportunists can co-exist and form groups and coteries within a single party. You are, no doubt, familiar with the history of Trotsky's August bloc, in which the Martovites and Otzovists, the Liquidators and Trotskyites, happily co-operated, pretending that they were a "real" party. It is well known that this patchwork "party" pursued the aim of destroying the Bolshevik Party. What was the nature of "our disagreements" at that time? It was that Leninism regarded the destruction of the August bloc as a guarantee of the development of the proletarian party, whereas Trotskyism regarded that bloc as the basis for building a "real" party.

Again, as you see, we have two opposite lines.

Thirdly. Trotskyism is distrust of the leaders of Bolshevism, an attempt to discredit, to defame them. I do not know of a single trend in the Party that could compare with Trotskyism in the matter of discrediting the leaders of Leninism or the central institutions of the Party. For example, what should be said of Trotsky's "polite" opinion of Lenin, whom he described as "a professional exploiter of every kind of backwardness in the Russian working-class movement"? (ibid.) And this is far from being the most "polite" of the "polite" opinions Trotsky has expressed.

How could it happen that Trotsky, who carried such a nasty stock-in-trade on his back, found himself, after all, in the ranks of the Bolsheviks during the October movement? It happened because at that time Trotsky abandoned (actually did abandon) that stock-in-trade; he hid it in the cupboard. Had he not performed that "operation," real co-operation with him would have been impossible. The theory of the August bloc, i.e., the theory of unity with the Mensheviks, had already been shattered and thrown overboard by the revolution, for how could there be any talk about unity when an armed struggle was raging between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks? Trotsky had no alternative but to admit that this theory was useless.

And while I turned away from Stalinism awhile back, this damning indictment of Trotskyism by Stalin himself (one occasion where he was in the right) is what led me to Stalinism in the first place! :P

[The Grey Blur]

The Spart League are hilariously sectarian. So yeah, you'd fit right in.

[BOZG]

The Sparts hold many theoretically correct positions but have no real grasp of how to intervene into ordinary people and raise their consciousness without being patronising and sectarian. They were remain a sect as a result with no base in the working class.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I agree with BOZG on the Sparts, though we probably arrived at our positions in different ways.

The PSL on the other hand holds many correct positions, but subscribed to the horrible global class war "theory" of Sam Marcy that leads them to support super-reactionaries like Saddam.