Question

[cheisgreat]

Who do you think is better and why; Guevara or Stalin??

I know they are very different and some may say they are incomparable. But it will be interesting to see your arguments for whom is better.

Also, 'better' in terms of anything really; character, beliefs, ideologies etc.

[Rawthentic]

Stalin was the figure of counter-revolution, and Che was an "anti-revisionist", which is a cute term for Stalinist.'

For me it would be "El Che" because of his self-sacrifice.

[black magick hustla]

I don't think Guevara is even comparable to Stalin.

Guevara was a man of action--although he was involved in Cuban politics for some time, ultimately, people recognize him for being a fighter.

Stalin was a statesman, therefore, he was more prone to do stuff other communists would deem "unacceptable".

[( R )evolution]

Che no doubt. Stalin's policies and rein of despotism were very counter revolutionary. While Che actually was a fighter and died fighting for the cause. His words were amazing. He didnt just sit back allow for the oppersion of the people, he fought for socialism everywhere

[yns_mr]

While Stalin is a murder, Che is a fighter

[Whitten]

How can anyone support Che while at the same time claiming Stalin was a murderer or counter-revolutionary, Geuvara was a supporter of Stalin and a marxist-leninist. Seriously some people are all about image.

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 06:51 pm
How can anyone support Che while at the same time claiming Stalin was a murderer or counter-revolutionary,
Che is a great revolutionary who fought Oppression and Inequality as long as his nose breathed.

I think you might understand my Opinion of Stalin. I will rather not repeat it.


Geuvara was a supporter of Stalin and a marxist-leninist.

He is not infallible and did everything perfect. I like Che but that doesn't mean that I worship him and also should think what he really thought.


Seriously some people are all about image.

No they see the actions of people rather how they look.

If Che had decided to remain in Cuba enjoying the privileges then he too would hated just Like Stalin.

[Tower of Bebel]

You cannot compare Stalin to Ché. Well, in theory you could, but it sounds useless.

Stalin was n00b btw :P .

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

I support Che as a revolutionary fighter and warrior for the workers. Maybe he did support Stalin, he aint perfect.

It would be stupid for anyone to blindly follow Che, after all he did suport a counter-revolutionary dictator.

But i admire his courage...name me an action that lead to suffering of the working class commited by Che? You could write a book on Stalins!!!

[Janus]

Geuvara was a supporter of Stalin and a marxist-leninist.
Guevara did support the USSR originally but it's pretty clear that he was moving away from that position later on in his life.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

How is it "pretty clear"? You can criticize people/a party/a movement, etc. while still supporting them.

[Janus]

How is it "pretty clear"?
Based on his own accounts, it would seem that he was increasingly disillusioned with the actual structure of the USSR and the direction it was going.


You can criticize people/a party/a movement, etc. while still supporting them.
Yes, as far as policies go but structural criticisms hint at something more.

[Coggeh]

Che was a revolutionary fighter who gave his life for the advancement of socialism, True he supported Stalin ( but hes not the liberal god of anti-authoritarianism some people paint him as) he was a socialist ,A fighter and is completely incomparable to stalin as stalin was a leach who feed off the blood of true leftists so he could find his way to power .

[Spirit of Spartacus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 06:36 pm

Geuvara was a supporter of Stalin and a marxist-leninist.
Guevara did support the USSR originally but it's pretty clear that he was moving away from that position later on in his life.
Allow me to explain that from an anti-revisionist perspective.

Anti-revisionists support the general trend of Soviet policies up to 1956, which is taken as a crucial date for the Soviet Union.

After Stalin's death in 1953, the revisionist enemies of socialism began to consolidate their power. By 1956, they had driven Molotov, Voroshilov and other anti-revisionists into the political background, and seized power.

The revisionists gradually started their struggle against the established socialist system of the USSR, a struggle that culminated in the early 90s with the fall of the USSR.

Che was an anti-revisionist. That means he supported Soviet policies until around 1956.
Like any other opponent of revisionism, Che would have generally approved of Soviet policies until the revisionists took over under Khruschev.

So, like all other anti-revisionists, Che was starting to get disillusioned with the USSR towards the end of his life, because he could see what consequences Khruschevite revisionism could have for the survival of the USSR.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Che wasn't an "anti-revisionist." He was a communist. He supported the Soviet workers' state against imperialism, while all the time criticizing it (especially allowing market mechanisms, using material incentives, privilege among the bureaucracy, etc.). However, he launched his criticisms in ways that in no way assisted imperialism in its drive to destroy the Soviet Union, which is something the "anti-revisionists" can't say.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

they held virtually the exact same politics. Che Guevara was a great admirer of Stalin. He once swore on a portrait of Stalin that he wouldn't rest until Capitalist-Imperialism had been forever destroyed. He did however view the Soviet Union as a socialist force but it seemed like he leaned more to the Maoist model. As for all the garbage being thrown around about Stalin, Stalin was a man of action. As a youth and until the revolution he had been organizing workers soviets for the revolution along with Lenin, Molotov, and others. He was a real hands on comrade, and that was why he was able to become so popular within the ranks of the Soviet Union.

[Anarchovampire]

No matter what he thought, Che was a man of action, while Stalin was a bloated ruler of men...

I can like any man who would fight for his cause rather than just sit around behind a desk.

[The Author]

An anti-revisionist is a communist. Sure, some made mistakes in some political points about the USSR. But to basically dismiss them completely as anti-communists, is going overboard.

And it is irrelevant who is the better man. As communists, we don't worship individual communists as idols. Instead, as the old saying goes, "it is the people who make history, and the people who make the heroes."

[Rawthentic]

An anti-revisionist is a communist
How so?

[The Author]

He criticizes the Khrushchevite takeover of the USSR, the destruction of the internationalist Communist forces, how the Khrushchevites began installing market forces in the USSR and eroding the socialist infrastructure. An anti-revisionist criticizes the revisionists for forming the personality cult around Stalin and later Mao, as a means of using them and other communists identified in their personality cults as receptacles for supposed errors, or errors made by the revisionists themselves. An anti-revisionist works to raise the consciousness of the working class against the dangers of revisionism. Certainly mistakes in interpretation are made along the way. But we are not utopians. The point is to raise the awareness of the international working class on what the USSR and socialist countries really were, and to the histories relating to these countries.