"illegal aliens" cost the U.S. $6million dollars

[R_P_A_S]

I'm trying t counter all this fucking shit. so can someone please watch this and tell me what we can say or i don't know shed more light?

I found this on MSNBC powered by MSN Video and thought you might be interested in it.

Click this link

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=f751...5&f=00&fg=email (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=f7511884-55b1-47f2-8080-281a52bd6595&f=00&fg=email)

[la-troy]

I have not watch the videos but i think you could just calculate the amount of work they do if you have a fair idea and what that work would normally cost.
I have heard a lot a things about "illegal aliens" in America I don't know if these things are false or if they are just stereotypes. But it seems like they go to work and take a lot of jobs for often a quarter of the cost. Blaming them for problems is just the way of scared people blaming fokes that can't really defend them self.

criticize it please.

[Mujer Libre]

I'm on dialup, so I can't watch it at the moment (plus I should be writing essays...) but I know that "illegal immigrants" actually pump more money into the US economy than they take out. Firstly by doing work for a pittance, and secondly by paying taxes sch as sales tax but not getting welfare or any other social services.
Here are some sources:


By focusing on the economic costs and benefits of legal and illegal immigration, Professor Hanson concludes that stemming illegal immigration would likely lead to a net drain on the U.S. economy—a finding that calls into question many of the proposals to increase funding for border protection. Moreover, Hanson argues that guest worker programs now being considered by Congress fail to account for the economic incentives that drive illegal immigration, which benefits both the undocumented workers who desire to work and live in the United States and employers who want flexible, low-cost labor.
Source (http://www.cfr.org/publication/12969/)
It's horrible, but true...

Article about the tax issue (http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=3803)


Originally posted by Francine Lipman
Undocumented immigrants, like all U.S. citizens and residents, are required to pay taxes. Despite the historic and strong American opposition to taxation without representation, undocumented immigrants (except in rare and unusual cases) have not enjoyed the right to vote on any local, state or federal tax or other matter for almost eighty years. Nevertheless, each year undocumented immigrants add billions of dollars in sales, excise, property, income and payroll taxes, including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment taxes, to federal, state and local coffers. Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants go out of their way to file annual federal and state income tax returns.

Yet undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits, including food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, federal housing programs, Supplemental Security Income, Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Medicare, and the earned income tax credit (EITC). Generally, the only benefits federally required for undocumented immigrants are emergency medical care, subject to financial and category eligibility, and elementary and secondary public education. Many undocumented immigrants will not even access these few critical government services because of their ever-present fear of government officials and deportation.

Abstract (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584)

This is a really good academic source, but of course you can only view the abstract- although it's probably on J-Stor.

Hope this helped.

[R_P_A_S]

let me point out that this 6 billion are on health care. like it cost the U.S. 6 billion a year to treat the,

[Mujer Libre]

Yup, but if you take into account the other ways in which they contribute to the economy, as outlined in the sources above, it woks out to a net gain for the US economy. Plus the last source I provided talks about health services that 'illegal aliens' don't have access to.

[Labor Shall Rule]

I despise these stereotypical preceptions that are fabricated about migrant workers.

It's not annally recognized, but these 'aliens' have paid their taxes more than the average American; according to a 1997 study by Cato Institute economist Steve Moore, immigrant households paid an estimated $133 billion in direct taxes to federal, state, and local governments. Another study by the National Academy of Sciences, found that immigrants help the U.S. economy overall, have little negative effect on the income and job opportunities of most native-born Americans, and may add as much as $10 billion to the economy each year. Overall, according to the study, further analysis would likely show “that 49 of the 50 states come out ahead fiscally from immigration, with California as the head beneficiary".


Fuller portrait of Hispanic undocumented immigrants, Pew Hispanic Center, June 2005:
92 percent of undocumented males are gainfully employed, higher than any other sector of the population. Immigrant workers are also taking on more diverse jobs within the economy, as a quarter of them have at least some college education and another quarter has finished high school.

If facts still have their meaning, I think they would 'benefit' rather than 'cost' us that supposible $6 million.

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Hmm 6 billions of helping people live is really bad, but its totally fine to spend hunders of billions (if not trillions) of dollars on war...

Dear God I feel like a pacifist now *pukes*

[Janus]

so can someone please watch this and tell me what we can say or i don't know shed more light?
$6 billion is an insignificant sum compared with the amount of money generated by undocumented workers towards the economy and state itself.


It's not annally recognized, but these 'aliens' have paid their taxes more than the average American; according to a 1997 study by Cato Institute economist Steve Moore, immigrant households paid an estimated $133 billion in direct taxes to federal, state, and local governments.
Right despite the common myths about immigrants not paying taxes. It's estimated that the amount of money accrued through Social Security's earning suspense file (which is where the taxes will go) is around $300 billion.

[Severian]

Right - really they should be counting how much health care undocumented immigrants failed to receive, relative to the amount their labor produces, and also the taxes they pay.

Since most of them have little or no health coverage.