The 10 Commandments

[Anonymous]

Ok, im a Catholic so dont have a go saying im religion bashing but weren't the 10 Commandments a bit hypocritical of God?

How can he expect humans to live by rules he himself disregards.

I have two examples

1) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Mary concieved Jesus through an act of God. So God has got anothe man's wife pregnant. Sounds like adultery to me.

2) Thous shalt not kill

Dont get me started on this. According to the bible God has been responsible for the taking of thousands of lives. Soddom and Gamaria, the great flood etc.

[Invader Zim]

The breaching of the walls of Jerico. Divine intervention saves the day. Very blood thirsty, puts Thou shalt not kill off to a good start.

[Eastside Revolt]

You should post this in humor

[mentalbunny]

the God of the Old testement truly is a screwball, obviously humans have a different idea of perfect to the divine idea of perfection!!!

[Beccie]

Those are just stories. We are told that Jesus is conceived by a virgin because the gospel writers know of a tradition. We don't know if it actually happened.

You cannot take the bible literacy, there are two many contradictions. Noah and Sodom and Gamaria are stories written by people, they were probably written to scare people.

Remember this: The bible does not equal the word of God, it was written by people for different audiences and purposes. To understand a particular part of the bible you must be familiar with the mentality of the time period at which the book was written, the writers purpose, audience, theological views etc.

[chamo]

I am also a man of God, Fonky Munk.

"1) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Mary concieved Jesus through an act of God. So God has got anothe man's wife pregnant. Sounds like adultery to me. "

Oh please come on now. It's not like the Lord "had" Mary in any way, he simply made her pregnant through force of nature, or something along those lines. Anyway she was not married to Joseph at the time.

I'm not sure about the murder. This was like a "cleansing" of the earth of society as the people were all thieves, murders and had no morals. Don't take the Bible too literally though, it is possible that they are some sort of parables or an exaggeration.

[redstar2000]

There are many paths to emancipation from religion. One of these paths is biblical criticism...forget that it's a "holy book" and read it just as you would read any other book, Aristotle, Plato, etc.

Putting aside miracle stories, historical inaccuracies, and internal contradictions, what about the morality of the "Bible"?

It's not good! But, as commie01 would quickly point out, I mean "not good" by current standards of civilized behavior. By the standards of its own time, it was average. No worse and no better than hundreds of competing national faiths and universal religions.

As far as we can tell, whether a particular religion survives and grows or not seems to be an accident. That is, a conguence of random developments, none of which can "explain" by itself much of anything.

Think fish! Each fish lays millions of eggs, most of which are eaten by other predators. Only one or two survive long enough to reach sexual maturity and reproduce. For nature, that's sufficient. For ruling classes, it's not important which religion the people follow...just as long is there's at least one!

It is when we abandon religion altogether that we have a chance to confront and change the real world.

:cool:

PS: I've read that there are actually more than 600 "commandments" in the "Old Testament"...but I admit I didn't count them myself. :cheesy:

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Dude, we 6 Billion people are not born to serve "god" or something. Yet, there are so many people who enslave themselves to serve "Divine powers".

[Forgotten Menshevik]

God doesn't have to follow the commandments, or do what you say! He can, and does, waste anyone he wants. The point is, if we all followed Christianity properly, this society would be practically commie anyway with all the sharing and how rich men can't get into heaven etc. But it ain't gonna happen becuase people like you are too scared for your own skin, and can't submit to a higher power.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

The "Holy books" can be interprented at many ways.

I don't remember clearly, but there was a bible figure who dreamed that wood didn't mix with steal and brons. Nazi's say that it's the proof that we musn't mix up "races". Do you too.

Nazi's too. Follow the bible exactly, they only interprented differently than you do.

And I as a pratical anarchist, am not born to serve a non excisting, non proofed "higer power". I am born to serve myself and the community.

[mentalbunny]

The bible is the strangest book in existence, it's so inconsistant and if it wasn't "the word of God" then people would ignore vast chunks of it and only use some for morality (mainly teachings of Jesus) and some for nice little kiddies stories.

[Moskitto]

Mary concieved Jesus through an act of God. So God has got anothe man's wife pregnant. Sounds like adultery to me.

Mary was not married at the time, she married afterwards.

And Nazis are anti-christian, they are not pro-christian, try reading so WCOTC websites.

[TheFriendlyBolshevik]

Don't blame God for his actions, he just does what the voices in His head tells him:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3716/god_diag...ed_bipolar.html (http://www.theonion.com/onion3716/god_diagnosed_bipolar.html)

[Anonymous]

uhhh i have a clear reply for your questions monk: god is god, he can do whatever he wants, acording to theists, hes superior to mankind right? therefor you have to honor, praise and respecthim by doing has he commanded...

hes the lord, he doesnt have to follow rulesm only you have...


(and once againim proud of being atheist :biggrin: )

[Guardia Bolivariano]

The 10 Commandments are one of the best laws in history of human kind.The problem.nobody listens to them.

[Blackberry]

Quote: from Forgotten Menshevik on 2:37 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
The point is, if we all followed Christianity properly, this society would be practically commie anyway with all the sharing and how rich men can't get into heaven etc.


Yes, I think that if we burned witches, and follow the sexist views presented to yes, we would all be commies.

[redstar2000]

"The 10 Commandments are one of the best laws in history..."

As I heard it, the story went like this.

Moses came down from Sinai and spoke to the children of Isreal.

"I have good news and bad news," he told them. "The good news is that I got Him down to 10."

"The bad news," he continued, "is that adultery is still in there."

:cheesy:

[Guardia Bolivariano]

"is that adultery is still in there."

Well they can't all be hits:(

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Moskitto on 11:06 pm on Jan. 21, 2003

Mary concieved Jesus through an act of God. So God has got anothe man's wife pregnant. Sounds like adultery to me.

Mary was not married at the time, she married afterwards.

And Nazis are anti-christian, they are not pro-christian, try reading so WCOTC websites.


Soz, KKK does and the white church, they believe that they are the ultimate christian.

[ravengod]

hey man
first i see the pure atheist beliefs of most of the commies on this forum( i don t subscribe but whatever)
second
the commandments belog to humans in order to make their life a better one(divine intrusion is not subject to human judgement)
third the old testament is jew
so they talk about traditions and habits transformed int commandments
it s their people
i mean most believers overcame long time ago the bullshit in the old testament
it s history and madness
it s their way of seeing things
u cannot judge them for that

[ravengod]

redstar still amases me with his sense of humor

[Umoja]

Yeah, it was pretty funny Redstar, I got a chuckle out of it.

A note on the Hebrews is that they don't necessarilly have to be monothestic. Yaweh is just the only important God apparently, becuase He is the God. This doesn't dismiss the fact that other dieties could exist, and be worshipped, it just means that God wanted the Hebrews to worship him or something. But honestly now, I really don't follow set ritual, wouldn't a logical God just put everyone in Heaven, and watch us play stuff out?

[Lardlad95]

You people are moronic..no offense but you have overlooked somethins

1. GOD DID NOT COMMIT ADULTERY...you know wh?


BECAUSE THEY WEREN"T MARRIED YET.....Joseph didn't want to marry her because of the scandal

but an angel came to him in a dream and told him teh child was of God

jesus if you are going to bash teh bible then get it right

also by God's logic since he is the father of creation only he has the devine right to choose who lives and who dies

Humans played no part in creation so why should we take away what we didn't create.Since it's through GOd that people can procreate why should we destroy what he did for us?

Not saying that humans don't have sex themselves

but it's through God that we can through God that the first humans could.

[redstar2000]

Umoja, the question of Yahveh becoming the "one and only" is also a puzzling one.

Turns out there's at least one old ruin in Palestine suggesting that Yahveh once had a "divine wife" who was also worshipped there, circa 900BCE.

Since, in those days, gods belonged to particular peoples or tribes (there were no "nations" yet), Yahveh had to acknowledge that other gods were his "equal" and had to be properly worshipped...but not in the land of Israel, only in the lands where they ruled.

Mark Twain had fun with this notion once. He reproached Yahveh for not sticking to his promise of divine equality. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" sounds like a desire to be treated the same as other gods...but, as Twain went on to say, "Later on, He got more ambitious." :cheesy:

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 7:00 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
Umoja, the question of Yahveh becoming the "one and only" is also a puzzling one.

Turns out there's at least one old ruin in Palestine suggesting that Yahveh once had a "divine wife" who was also worshipped there, circa 900BCE.

Since, in those days, gods belonged to particular peoples or tribes (there were no "nations" yet), Yahveh had to acknowledge that other gods were his "equal" and had to be properly worshipped...but not in the land of Israel, only in the lands where they ruled.

Mark Twain had fun with this notion once. He reproached Yahveh for not sticking to his promise of divine equality. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" sounds like a desire to be treated the same as other gods...but, as Twain went on to say, "Later on, He got more ambitious." :cheesy:

Your sense of humor truly is a devine one :)

Has anyone here wondered why this particular God made it and the other's did not?

Just a question to throw up there

[redstar2000]

LL95, the analogy I came up with in another thread: think fish. Fish lay millions of eggs...only one or two survive to sexual maturity and reproduce.

I think it's the same with religions; it's largely an accident which religions survive and grow...the important thing to any ruling class is that at least one religion enjoy official sponsership and popular appeal. As long as people accept their subordination to the elite as a manifestation of "God's Will", the rest is probably too trivial to bother with.

:cool:

PS: I keep forgetting to put this in: The Angel of the Lord technically committed fornication with "Mary", not adultery.

[Umoja]

God having a "wife" actually makes more sense then. The word for Holy Spirit in Hebrew is apparently Femine. Which would mean Father, Wife(Holy Spirit) and Son.

I can see where you are coming from Redstar with your own theory, and I've often wondered that, but I'm to busy worrying over other things :-), this'll all come back to me when I'm 60.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 1:51 am on Jan. 24, 2003
LL95, the analogy I came up with in another thread: think fish. Fish lay millions of eggs...only one or two survive to sexual maturity and reproduce.

I think it's the same with religions; it's largely an accident which religions survive and grow...the important thing to any ruling class is that at least one religion enjoy official sponsership and popular appeal. As long as people accept their subordination to the elite as a manifestation of "God's Will", the rest is probably too trivial to bother with.

:cool:

PS: I keep forgetting to put this in: The Angel of the Lord technically committed fornication with "Mary", not adultery.


Yes large numbers have to do with survival..but doesn't ability play into it?

Perhapes Judeism, Christianity, and Islam were better equipped then say ancient grek religions

[Umoja]

Christianity and Islam are more the type that make followers quickly, because it's key to their religion. I'd say even more-so with Islam and their struggle (Jihad you may call it) to spread it.

[redstar2000]

An "aggressive" religion probably has a "better shot" at growing than one that isn't...but I still think it's largely accidental.

The cult of Isis aggressively recruited in the Mediterranean world while Christianity was growing; likewise the cult of Mithras (the Bull). Neo-platonism was highly popular among the "intelligentsia". Had the Emperor Julian had a longer reign (only a little over 3 years), the old classical religion might have made a huge come-back; his edict of toleration was instantly repealed by the next (Christian) emperor. Finally, Judaism also enjoyed a wide-spread reputation as a "more serious" religion; had it not been for the rite of circumcision, it might well have grown much larger and faster than it did.

In the Arabian Peninsula, Islam had no serious competition prior to the invasion of Persia...and the combination of the "warrior mentality" of the Arab tribes and Islam proved well-nigh irresistable.

I think it boils down to a whole series of factors that are largely accidents of history--things like the personality of the founder, the ease of conversion, how demanding are the rituals and commandments, what competition exists, are people "in the market" for new religions, the attitude of the public authorities, etc., etc.

Who would have predicted that the Mormons would do so well...and the Moonies so poorly?

:cool:

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 2:04 pm on Jan. 24, 2003
An "aggressive" religion probably has a "better shot" at growing than one that isn't...but I still think it's largely accidental.

The cult of Isis aggressively recruited in the Mediterranean world while Christianity was growing; likewise the cult of Mithras (the Bull). Neo-platonism was highly popular among the "intelligentsia". Had the Emperor Julian had a longer reign (only a little over 3 years), the old classical religion might have made a huge come-back; his edict of toleration was instantly repealed by the next (Christian) emperor. Finally, Judaism also enjoyed a wide-spread reputation as a "more serious" religion; had it not been for the rite of circumcision, it might well have grown much larger and faster than it did.

In the Arabian Peninsula, Islam had no serious competition prior to the invasion of Persia...and the combination of the "warrior mentality" of the Arab tribes and Islam proved well-nigh irresistable.

I think it boils down to a whole series of factors that are largely accidents of history--things like the personality of the founder, the ease of conversion, how demanding are the rituals and commandments, what competition exists, are people "in the market" for new religions, the attitude of the public authorities, etc., etc.

Who would have predicted that the Mormons would do so well...and the Moonies so poorly?

:cool:

You got me on that mormon one.

but anyway

Alot of those cults and other ancient religions applied specificaly to the group that it prodominately held as memebers.

The ancient greek religion applied practically only to Greeks and amybe some other medditeranean places

Ancient Egyptian religions...did basicaly the same thing.

Islam and Christianity while they both do make specific refferences to thee areas in which tehy developed they do not apply only to people from those areas

for the most part they are universal.

If you tell me that I have to sacrafice to teh God Posideon so that my trip across the agean sea will be sucessful and I live in Philladelphia I'm gonna look at you like your crazy.

I don't see mount olympus...praying to Demeter for a safe harvest of olives and wheat don't apply to me..I don't live in a place where olives grow.

In order for religions to be sucessful they have to be universal. If they aren't then they wont be sucessful.

Why do you think only southern white rednecks read the Kloran (yes the Kloran I kid you not..i also know that the KKK isn't a religion...it was a joke on my part)?

by the way on the history channel (after the history of the KKK, hence the Kloran refference) there was an in depth look at Cain and Able

It's incredible that they pulled one hour out of 17 lines of verse

I think you would have found it interesting because all these theologians were trying to stretch it incredibly far

but it was interesting non the less

[deadpool 52]

Oh yes, the anti-God and anti-authority teens. Bravo.


"Jesus said, 'Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I have come to cast upon the world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth: fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three will be against two, and two against three, the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary.'"

[redstar2000]

"Oh, yes, the anti-God and anti-authority teens. Bravo."

Yes bravo and brava as well! May they flourish and be numbered in the tens of millions!

:cool:

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 4:33 am on Jan. 25, 2003
May they flourish and be numbered in the tens of millions![/b]

:cool:

HEY HEY HEY....only God can say that.... :)

[TheDerminator]

They say that God moves in mysterious ways, but they also assume what God can and cannot do. Maybe, it is just the case that if there is a spiritual reality, that it is powerless to interfere in our reality, hence there is no sign of God, thus we cannot blame God for anything. As for Mary, it is old mythology and one can only wonder at the possible orgasm.

derminated

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from TheDerminator on 2:41 pm on Jan. 26, 2003
They say that God moves in mysterious ways, but they also assume what God can and cannot do. Maybe, it is just the case that if there is a spiritual reality, that it is powerless to interfere in our reality, hence there is no sign of God, thus we cannot blame God for anything. As for Mary, it is old mythology and one can only wonder at the possible orgasm.

derminated

when the hell did you get back?

Great to see you man..though your sense of religious humor has been givin to Redstar2000

sorry we couldn't hold the position

[redstar2000]

"...one can only wonder at the possible orgaism."

Wonder, indeed. The "Old Testament" makes specific reference to numerous angels finding human females attractive and having sex with them. Does that mean that angels are all male? Or just that female angels don't find human males attractive?

And, except for "Mary", why did it stop?

If an angel has sex with a human, is the angel guilty of beastiality?

When all religion has faded from human memory, it must be admitted that we WILL have lost a rich vein of humor.

:cool:

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 9:59 pm on Jan. 26, 2003
"...one can only wonder at the possible orgaism."

Wonder, indeed. The "Old Testament" makes specific reference to numerous angels finding human females attractive and having sex with them. Does that mean that angels are all male? Or just that female angels don't find human males attractive?

And, except for "Mary", why did it stop?

If an angel has sex with a human, is the angel guilty of beastiality?

When all religion has faded from human memory, it must be admitted that we WILL have lost a rich vein of humor.

:cool:

if the last statement were to come true I would agree with you

Why did it stop with mary...after God got his he didn't want anyone else getting any