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cyu
24th May 2007, 18:12
The dozen or so occupied factories that existed at the start of the 2001 rebellion grew in only two years to include hundreds of workplaces, taken over and run by workers, without bosses or hierarchy. Almost every workplace sees itself as an integral part of the community, and the community sees the workplace in the same way. As the workers of Zanon, a ceramic factory say, “Zanon is of the people.”

Workplaces range from printing presses and metal shops to medical clinics, from cookie, shoe, and balloon factories to a four-star hotel and a daily newspaper. Participants in the recuperated workplaces say that what they are doing is not very complicated, despite the challenges, quoting the slogan: “Occupy, Resist, and Produce.” Autogestion is how most in the recuperated movements describe what they are creating and how.

This movement continues to grow and gather support throughout Argentina, despite threats of eviction. So far, each threat has been met with mobilization by neighbors and various collectives and assemblies to thwart the government’s efforts. In the example of Chilavert, a printing press, the retirement home across the street came out and not only defended the factory from the police, but insisted on being the front line of defense. The recuperations are hugely popular, and many outside the movements explain them quite simply, saying that there is a lack of work and these people want to work.

Over time, recuperated workplaces have begun to link with one another, creating barter relationships for their products, and collective links to the global workplace. For example, a medical clinic will service members of a printing factory in exchange for the free printing of their material. This has happened on a global level, as well.

New Movements Internationally
While movements of such rapid growth, diversity, and popularity are not unprecedented, the most significant innovation in Argentina may be that disparate groups are creating global networks of exchange and communication. Argentine movements have made significant connections to the MST (Landless Workers’ Movement) in Brazil, with each sharing experiences and strategies for land take-overs, forms of traditional medicine, and tools for democratic practice.

The Zapatistas have also consistently engaged in exchanges. Since the 2001 rebellion, a number of people from unemployed workers movements have been invited by the Zapatistas to spend time in the autonomous communities in Chiapas, exchanging ideas and experiences. Despite limited resources, dialogue between various movements has been long and varied.

During the past three years in Buenos Aires, autonomous movements have held an annual gathering called Enero Autonomo (Autonomous January). Groups came from all over Latin America, including Mujeres Creando from Bolivia, and autonomous groups from Brazil. Participants also included various collectives and community-based organizations from Europe and the United States. This linking process has gained momentum over the past few years, and all signs indicate that this growth is accelerating.

Horizontalidad and direct democracy are important models for building a new society, one basis for which is the creation of loving and trusting spaces. From this space of trust and love, using the tools of horizontalidad, a new person—who is a protagonist in her or his own life—begins to take shape. This is not random, it is a conscious process of social creation. Women, in particular, have created new roles for themselves. Based on this new individual protagonist, a new collective protagonism appears, which changes the sense of the individual, and then the sense of the collective. From this relationship arises the need for new ways of speaking, a new language.

Ideas and relationships cannot occur in a vacuum. They take place in real places, in “territories” that are liberated from hierarchical structures, and involve real people. These territories are laboratories of social creation. The new movements in Argentina are examples of these laboratories.

Marina Sitrin is a writer, teacher, student, dreamer, and self-described militant, who has participated in numerous anti-capitalist and visionary movements and groups. She is working on a new book, Insurgent Democracies: Latin America’s New Powers (Citylights Press, 2007).

This article is based on the Introduction to Horizontalism: Voices of Popular Power in Argentina (AK Press, 2006), a collection of first-person narratives of the people who lived through, and created, the events recounted here. Horizontalism was published first in Spanish by Chilavert, a recuperated print house in Argentina.

More at http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?...070523074036151 (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20070523074036151)

sexyguy
24th May 2007, 21:22
Horizontalidad and direct democracy are important models for building a new society, one basis for which is the creation of loving and trusting spaces. From this space of trust and love, using the tools of horizontalidad, a new person—who is a protagonist in her or his own life—begins to take shape. This is not random, it is a conscious process of social creation. Women, in particular, have created new roles for themselves. Based on this new individual protagonist, a new collective protagonism appears, which changes the sense of the individual, and then the sense of the collective. From this relationship arises the need for new ways of speaking, a new language

Ideas and relationships cannot occur in a vacuum. They take place in real places, in “territories” that are liberated from hierarchical structures, and involve real people. These territories are laboratories of social creation. The new movements in Argentina are examples of these laboratories.

What a load of bollocks.
This way the revolutionaries will definitely all end up horizontal, “...in “territories” that are liberated from hierarchical structures, ...”

cyu
25th May 2007, 17:58
Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 01:22 pm
What a load of bollocks.
This way the revolutionaries will definitely all end up horizontal, “...in “territories” that are liberated from hierarchical structures, ...”

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Besides the flowery language, what is it about the tactics or organizational structure you object to and why?

sexyguy
25th May 2007, 21:22
“...what is it about the tactics or organizational structure you object to...”
There are no objection to “tactics or organisational structures” which will achieve the defeat of all imperialist interests everywhere, whether those tactics are new or old ones.

The “tactics and organisational structures” described in the piece are not new. They are typical of the spontaneous activity of workers during revolutionary struggles and even in less revolutionary and more limited strike movements etc. The revolutionary historical record of all countries is full of examples of this cooperative, democratic, less alienated behaviour.


“...and why?”

Well, to call this activity ‘Horizontalism’ is as good an example of “flowery language” as any, when the whole piece is garlanded with “flowery language” in a fig leaf attempt to cover the fact that ‘Horizontalism’ as it is described above is nothing but the same old deadly dangerous reformism that capitalist manipulation has been using to disarm the working class ideologically for generations.

But I am glad you asked anyway, because when I checked I found this other gem of self confessed reformism from the same author:


...the movements in Argentina are not about particular goals, but about process, about the revolution that can be achieved in the every day. The movements are not about taking power, in other words as the interviews reflect, but about creating “another power” through social relations, through the process of creation.“

So ‘Horizontalism’ is yet another attempt at having a revolution without “taking power” and capitalist ‘vertical’ states will kill you all if you try it.

I will continue discussing this with you at greater length if you want to defend it, but ‘Horizontalism’ is self evidently REFORMIST bollocks!

Spirit of Spartacus
25th May 2007, 22:47
I think the methods adopted by Argentinian comrades are those which a somewhat militant working-class movement would adopt.

Having said that, they're not going to lead to a revolution of any sort. Either the state will clamp down and destroy the movement, or else the movement will turn reformist, as sexyguy explained.

The communists must join this movement, spread it over the rest of Argentina, and assist the workers in organizing themselves into a mass political force, and at the same time assist them with developing revolutionary theory.

sexyguy
25th May 2007, 23:02
Commrade,

The working class needs to be armed in every way politicaly, philsophicaly, and millitarily to defend themselves against the inevitable attack that will come from the capitalists.

This ‘Horizontalism’ tells the working class that they do not have to "take power", and that they can have a parrallel 'power'.

Think about it, if you and I were at the desk of the local CIA we would be delighted that the prevaling 'theory' of the revolution was against "taking power".

We would crush them, easy!

Spirit of Spartacus
25th May 2007, 23:09
I agree.

sexyguy
26th May 2007, 09:40
Spirit,

Sorry, yes the ‘communists’ who don’t join this and other similar movements are just sectarians and as bad as the reformist ‘Horisontalists’ who are attempting to mislead it.

black magick hustla
27th May 2007, 20:39
Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 08:22 pm
blablahblahblahblah i am an aspirant politician blahblahblahblahj
hey bucko

so taking over property by force is now reformist?

So then what, we should vote in the ballots for the Communist Party hoping they'll bring change through parliament? :lol:

sexyguy
27th May 2007, 22:43
Marmot,

Good try, but have another go and defend ‘Horizontalism’ if you can.

Mujer Libre
28th May 2007, 03:10
Originally posted by sexyguy
This ‘Horizontalism’ tells the working class that they do not have to "take power", and that they can have a parrallel 'power'.
How is seizing the means of production not taking power? It's not parallel power because owning the means of production is how the ruling class derives their power, so workers taking control of it is taking power...

And yes, I'm sure the CIA loves autonomous workplaces...
...?

sexyguy
28th May 2007, 04:15
I don’t wan’t to be rude, but stop talking crap. You know dam well that unless you organise a physical resistance, and attack, they will crush you, again. Go on, tell us it’s not so.

Don't Change Your Name
28th May 2007, 04:34
In other words, "recent research shows that there is a correlation between owning a larger ammount of guns and not being a reformist" :lol:

Seriously, how the hell can you say that workers taking over factories (ie taking property away from the bourgeoisie) and "creating another power" (which would surely break the laws that exist in bourgeois institutions!) be "reformist"?

sexyguy
28th May 2007, 04:51
Workers have taken over factories all over the world, temporarily.
And every worker with any brains knows that they will be taken off them again unless the ’state’ backs them up.

Why would it be otherwise?

Rawthentic
28th May 2007, 04:52
You mean unless the capitalist state 'says so'?

sexyguy
28th May 2007, 05:08
You mean unless the capitalist state 'says so'?

Thanks for that.
I mean that unless the workers establish a ‘state’ for the suppression of the reactionary capitalist opposition they will be crushed and have their factories taken from them.

black magick hustla
28th May 2007, 05:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 03:51 am
Workers have taken over factories all over the world, temporarily.
And every worker with any brains knows that they will be taken off them again unless the ’state’ backs them up.

Why would it be otherwise?
Don't be silly.

This is just a fragment of the overall struggle, but it ain't reformist. Those factories were taken by force and they were mantained by force. Obviously, in order to subvert capitalism you have to also subvert the state, but the subversion of capitalism is a progressive thing that takes time. You can't just go all nuts and arm yourself and directly confront tanks and professional soldiers, unless the conditions are right and there is the possibility that a chunk of the army would aid you.

Factories like this give workers confidence and the assurance that they can do the stuff by themselves.

sexyguy
28th May 2007, 19:00
How many worker run enterprises survived in Chile, Nicaragua or Grenada after their versions of ‘Horizontalism’ to “subvert the state” triumphed ? And you tell me not to be silly. If ‘Horizontalism’ isn’t preparing the workers to take state power (and it admits it isn’t) it is leading them into a trap. And your complacency isn’t helping.