Communist experience

[ravengod]

It s easy to talk about communism when living in democracy...
Has any of you experienced communism?
For I remember people running away from each other for fear of betrayal
of prison or of any kind of repressals from the security services
living under communist terror ain t so revolutionary afterall...

[Domitian]

I've lived in China for 10 years, would you consider that as a communist experience? If yes, then tell me and I will tell you something.

[Blibblob]

China is most definatly not communist.

[El Brujo]

China became state capitalist after Mao died. The revolution was betrayed by Deng Xiaopeng and other capitalist roaders.

[Domitian]

What is your defination of a Communist Country?

I don't think you mean North Korea, since that is not what communism is suppose to be.

If you put it that way, then there has never been a communist country. Then why ask the question who's got a communist experience? Since no one has truely had one.

[Domitian]

Quote: from El Brujo on 7:02 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
China became state capitalist after Mao died. The revolution was betrayed by Deng Xiaopeng and other capitalist roaders.


Depends on if he was asking what it was like to live under a communist style government or being apart of communist style economy.

I think he meant government since he was talking about revolution and terror, not living conditions.

[El Brujo]

Then hes simply referring to authoritarian governments, not necesarily communism. My family lived in Argentina during millitary rule and in Spain during Franco's times, they should know more about the terror.

China has become authoritarian capitalist but its sympathetic to communism because the "communist" party is in control.

[Domitian]

So ravengod what exactly are you asking for?

If you mean authoritarian governments mislabeled as communist...

Then I can tell you that the Chinese (I'm Chinese) allow expression of anti-government feelings abroad, but they don't tolerate demonstrations.

Basically if you don't like the way the government is you can call it names. (You won't get arrested for that) Just don't stand in front of the Congress hall with big signs.

But if they suspect you have something to do with groups that plans to overthrow the government, they will arrest you.

So they won't put a whole bunch of children who feels that it would have been better if the republican government took over.

(Edited by Domitian at 7:24 pm on Jan. 18, 2003)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I was born in Moscow in 86 during the Soviet time and later moved in the Ukrain. One of the best times of my life.

[Domitian]

CCCP, do you still remember what it was like?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

sure. Ask what you want

[Domitian]

Just tell me anything that you think is interesting.

[Blibblob]

It wasnt a "communist" experience, it was dictatorship, damn i hate it how people get it so god damn wrong.

[Domitian]

I think CCCP knows that, we are just using the word "communist" as a figure of speech. Sorry if the use of the word offends you.

We all appreciate your movement to make the world see that true communism is not dictatorship.

(Edited by Domitian at 9:15 pm on Jan. 18, 2003)

[Blibblob]

The USSR started out fine with Lenin, even though his interpretation of Marx was a little weird, but when Stalin took over, it went from fine, to SHITTY, it was still better than it was as a monarchy, and was better than it is today, but it completely FUCKED UP everbody's views of communism.

[Blibblob]

Dont appoligize, i hate that more.

And i find everything insulting in some way or another.

[Domitian]

What time is it? At where you live that is. Day or Night?

(Yes, just answer Day or Night, phyiscally)

(Edited by Domitian at 9:18 pm on Jan. 18, 2003)

[ravengod]

All i meant was a communist government
or at least what they made of it
they started from stalinism and exacerbated it to a personality cult so devastating that it it is still present now after 13 years of democracy in the mental of my people
that is the problem
don t you see? is there a communism which would not degenerate into terror and repression?(not reffering to economic communism)
it s all subject to people and people make mistakes
communism is quite impossible

[Domitian]

Quote: from ravengod on 9:21 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
All i meant was a communist government
or at least what they made of it
they started from stalinism and exacerbated it to a personality cult so devastating that it it is still present now after 13 years of democracy in the mental of my people
that is the problem
don t you see? is there a communism which would not degenerate into terror and repression?(not reffering to economic communism)
it s all subject to people and people make mistakes
communism is quite impossible

I could say the same for captialism and even republics at times.

In order for a system some kind of balance must be reached, there are too many factors (or many not) to take into account to predict if a system is going to work or not. It's all circumstance...

[Blibblob]

The only form of government that has worked and will always work, is a dictatorship.

[ravengod]

many politicians say that communism is impossible
i myself disagree
i agree there are too many factors to be taken into consideration
yet.............
it still ain t fun seeing people performing a communist mockery
and practicing it on human lab rats

[Blibblob]

"True" communism IS imposible, for the fact that, well, you're dealing with the human race here.

To find out why its imposible would be to not delve into politics, but to mess around with psychology and the human psyche.

(Edited by Blibblob at 4:48 pm on Jan. 18, 2003)

[Domitian]

That's probably because, True communism is viewed as prefect. Humans aren't meant to be prefect, so although making things "better" is good for us, being prefect is not. (Since we weren't build for something prefect)

There will aways be problems, in any kind of society (since we weren't meant to be prefect). But temporary (sp mistake) improvements can always be made. Communism in this case contains the improvements we need for the moment. Who knows, maybe 2000 years from now, captialism might actually be preferable due to the change in human way of thinking and circumstances. (Although I don't see how)

That just brought up the point, we all talk about creating communism without any conventional goals. It should be the goals that drive the creation of a system not the other way around. Which seems to be what we are doing, does anyone here actually have goals for their nations to archieve if somehow they get elected and their country became communist?

[Blibblob]

Humans arent capable of coming up with good longterm goals, it just doesnt fit the spectrem of where we look in life, we are either stuck complaining about the past, or *****ing about the present. Many examples show that the future doesnt matter to the human race, just how far they can get in their own little life.

[Domitian]

Could you list some of those examples?

[Blibblob]

God dammit, i knew i should have typed them then.

well, um, lets just leave it at that i never should have posted that, and um, humans dont have precience*sp* and cant predict how its gonna turn out.

I had some examples when i typed that, i just cant remember, bad memory.

[Domitian]

Agreed, nothing's ever sure...