Class struggle and democracy

[Revolution Hero]

The word “democracy” is formed of two Greek words: “demos”, which means PEOPLE and “kratos”, which means POWER. Therefore DEMOCRACY means PEOPLE’S POWER or POWER, which is controlled by the PEOPLE.
According to Marxist viewpoint the notion of PEOPLE is limited, as it is clear that state being the instrument of oppression in the hands of the ruling class always represents the interests of this class. DEMOS = CAPITALISTS in the bourgeois states, in contrary DEMOS = WORKING PEOPLE in the socialist states.

Bourgeois state is an arena of CLASS STRUGGLE, which is the struggle of proletariat and all working people against the class of capitalists, it is the struggle of exploited against their exploiters, it is the struggle of oppressed against their oppressors. There are two aims of this struggle: economical and political. The latter is of a highest priority, as the main target of conscious proletariat and all working masses, which do support it is to get to the POWER.
Class struggle reaches it’s highest point during the socialistic revolution; revolution itself is the class struggle in action. In the case of victorious revolution class struggle continues during the period of dictatorship of the proletariat. The class of proletariat having the state power in it’s hands oppress it’s past exploiters, not letting them to restore capitalistic regime. Proletariat, being the ruling class, limits the rights and freedoms of the bourgeois class and as the result destroys bourgeois class as the class.
There is no place for bourgeois class in socialistic society, there is no place for exploiters in society, which considers exploitation to be the most dangerous disease of humanity.
Socialistic democracy means power for the working people. Socialistic state gives power to wide working masses, it gives power to the majority. Therefore, bourgeois class representatives and any supporters of capitalism have to be deprived from participating in state governing. Their rights and freedoms have to be limited, as by supporting capitalism those people go against socialistic state and all working people. Limiting the rights and freedoms of enemies of the socialistic state is one of the parts of the class struggle.
Socialistic democracy is the democracy in it’s full sense, as DEMOS is represented by the working class. Socialistic state is the state of all working people for the working people

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Do you believe that there must be a well developed proletariat for a truly communist revolution? I think one of the great problems communism has faced is that it has never yet been successful in a truly proletarian nation.

[Saint-Just]

Absolute agreement.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Uhuru na Umoja on 4:50 am on Jan. 27, 2003
Do you believe that there must be a well developed proletariat for a truly communist revolution? I think one of the great problems communism has faced is that it has never yet been successful in a truly proletarian nation.


What do you mean by “truly proletarian nation”?
Communist ideology will be always successful in the states with a developed proletariat. This success depends on another factor, which is the level of Communist Party activity. If Communists don’t educate working class, we can’t talk even about the start of the socialistic revolution…
Socialistic revolution was successful in Russia, which was not the most developed capitalistic state of that time; there were more peasants than there were workers. But still socialistic revolution was led by proletarian vanguard, workers in the union with peasants.
We see that it is important to organize a revolution, but what is more important is to feel the revolutionary situation to start with.

[ravengod]

i agree
though i disagreed with you at certain points
democracy does mean though tolerance and accepting different points of view
consider that

[Spartaco]

I agree with you exept i would substitute "dictatorship of the proletariat" with "democracy of the proletariat" and instead of "opresses its past exploiters" i would say it "denies them the possibility to continue exploiting", its essentially the same thing but i just think it suonds better this way :)

[Revolution Hero]

Quote from ravengod:” democracy does mean though tolerance and accepting different points of view “

You talk about bourgeois democracy.
Socialists are intolerant to capitalists. We can’t accept their view, as their view is antagonistic to ours. There is only our socialistic view; other views are rival…

Quote from Spartaco:” i would substitute "dictatorship of the proletariat" with "democracy of the proletariat" and instead of "opresses its past exploiters" i would say it "denies them the possibility to continue exploiting", its essentially the same thing but i just think it suonds better this way”

Indeed, you said the same thing, but in another words. I don’t care about ethical speech; let capitalists hear that we will oppress them…
BTW, Spartaco I advise you to change your signature, Rousseau was hypocritical bourgeois class defender…

[Jaha]

Simply put, I know no other way to have a complete communism without a complete democracy.

maybe I need to explore more ideas, but nothing else makes sense.

if you give ownership to everyone, and you give the government to everyone, there will be dissagreements. democracy smooths over those dissagreements and lets the majority be at peace.

[Spartaco]

As i said myself, yes i only expressed the same concept with different words. About rousseau although he did defend the, at the time rising, bourgeois class, he also formulated the concept of popular political sovergniety and therefore of democracy which our wetern countries lack. Plus that quote in particular can be interpreted in many ways + i think its a cool quote :) .