Any One In South America?

[aavel_caihn]

i'm insane and i wanna get shit started, i need to meet more people in south am!

[dez]

where in south america

[aavel_caihn]

just in south am in general
i myself am in uruguay right now

but i'm planning on something that'll spread throughout the continent

[Political_Chucky]

Well best way I think is to find individual people who you think have the most potential around your area and start with them. I've been doing that here and so far its been working alright, i've gotten 4 comrades to get more interested.

[dez]

well, i'm in the south-west of brazil
=D

[aavel_caihn]

great! i'm looking to set forth a Federalist Movement, and the founding of a Federalist Party, with circles set in different cities throughout south am. [i've got very strong Artiguist aswell as Bolivarian ideals, and principals] some of has arealdy been put forward, but i wanna make something out of it, and introduce some new ideas. i'm starting to become more politicaly interactive, and we're seeking to create circles around here, we're talking to young people, as well as with old members of different parties. we plan on traveling along south am, establishing different circles, once we've got something stable here, but it'd better if we've already got some sort of communication with people elsewhere; sort of like fraternity chapter's. ever seen fight club?
haha



Union y Prosperidad

[dez]

the idea of a federalist party really gets me excited, specially because brazilian government and law don't give room to regionalism.

Specially a leftist one, since the federalist party that is on progress of being created here is a neo-liberal pool that wants to enter the alca.

though i like simon bolivar's ideas, i don't really feel that chavez's ideas of latin american integration involve anything other than putting venezuela in a leadership position here. That's why i'm a lil skeptical about the bolivarian name.


i have seen fight club, and it's one of my favourite movies ever. I would really like to implement that idea, and if you ever get to belo horizonte (mg, brazil), feel free to stay in my place.
:D

[aavel_caihn]

great. i myself, opposse the alca, since i see it as an overt imperialist statement; having the us obviously realized how the south am nations intended to create a trade agreement, and knowing that it would it would turn the states right on it's ass, deviced a way to gain in it, and ensure it's control of the market, any reasoning being can see that. i'd like to propose a Free Trade Union [of South America] similar to Chavez's, without the parading of designations, a few other things, a completely open market as if it were just one nation, and the single Amero currency.

I support very strongly Bolivarian ideals, and even though i think most of what Chavez is doing is great; i dissaprove of him reffering to it and labeling it as "Bolivarianism" since it differs a bit from Bolivars thoughts. But of course, i get it, he needs a way to get people's interest, and get them involved, if you mention "Bolivarianism" that evokes a certain imagery, and response, that's a national hero right there, you cant really go against a national hero.. and calling it "Chavism" himself would most likely just sound arrogant. i dont really think though, he's actually seeking to impose himself as head of some federalist union, he surely wants an union of northern south am nations, and of course also southern ones, and eventually a pan-american union i can only supposse [as do i], but it takes balls, and someone to roll their sleeves and make a fist, to get things done, and he's got the charisma, and we dont really see many others "putting their balls into it". so i support that, and dont really consider he wants "to take over" or whatever, even so, that's probably what most of the [subjugated] media wants you to believe. just like they said there were communist everywhere and that they were evil back in the 50s+ and they're still telling you now, and even so, "terrorists" are the new "communists". they're just trying to put you all against each other as always, and to justify their means.
[but i'll try to refer to it as Chavism, instead, and refer to Bolivarianism, to Bolivar's ideas and such]

but you should read up more on Artigas [and the League of the Free People] i'm not a nationalist of any kind, but i think the guy was just dead on right, his quotes are without doub some of the best i've read. if you can read spanish you'll find a lot on him; here are some starting points if you're interested: Artigas' Wikipedia Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Gervasio_Artigas)
Wikiquotes (http://es.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Gervasio_Artigas) [in spanish] best of what i've heard of, cant help but to agree with.
Federal League's Wikipedia Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liga_Federal)
hope that catches your attention;
and by the way, i dont think brazilians like[d] Artigas much haha

so Beaga? cool, big city huh? i've been meaning to go to MGerais; though with all due honest my portuguese, if i can even refer to it as such, is deplorable. haha
and thanks so much for your hospitality bro.

sorry i got carried away, and wrote so much.

[dez]

actually, artigas seem to have been a really nice guy.
I share with him a hate for 'unitarist' governments. They don't give room to regionalism, tend to favour the more powerful areas; and end up being conservative as hell, since the common man has literally no say in the legitimacy of a law.






Yet i don't agree with two things you said:
- "it takes balls, and someone to roll their sleeves and make a fist"
That 'a man to get it done' belief is usually the same one that fascist dictatorships use to legitimize their governments. Those that care more about themselves than with the people.
- "he surely wants an union of northern south am nations, and of course also southern ones, and eventually a pan-american union"
With venezuela leading it.
He's openly nationalist, and his moves in foreign affairs are also. Fuck the media.
=D









You meant to come to minas gerais?
Really?
Why? :D
Language is not a deterrant.
I'm pretty sure you'd be able to survive here unescorted simply by speaking 'portunhol'.
Or, in the inverse case, Portuñol.
:lol:

How is montevideo, btw?

[aavel_caihn]

i never said anything about "a man to get it done"
i just mean if everyone just sits around, and speculate
things arent just gonna change themselves, someone has to have guts and get things going. besides i've got no other interest than the people. do you even know what "fascism" is? Musolini was the one to come up with that word, i believe. from the latin "fasces" or so, which was when romans took several spears, which alone would break easely, but tied them together, thus they'd be stronger.
i'm no fascist as it is interpreted, since they put the state before the people, or the individual, and to me there's no "state" without the people, since government and everything else emanates from the people themselves, but i can easely relate to the analogy of fasces.

and i dont believe he's seeking to put venezuela on the lead; that just sounds like nonsense. sure, he's nationalist, but on a Gran Colombia/pan-american sense, and on a "bolivar" themed nationalism, not a "venezuela over all things" sense. and to me that can be justified
his foreign affairs are counter-imperialistc, and anti-US. sure, the fact that he's doing that doesnt mean he's putting venezuela over anything, he is though, putting south am over the states of course, he's just from venezuela man, give him a break, of course that's something people are gonna use against him, there isnt a bigger union involving other states aside venezuela for him to put or not put venezuela on the lead, so that just doesnt make sense. besides, i think that couldnt possibly be any worse than the states putting them selves as leaders of the world

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 08:46 am
i'm insane and i wanna get shit started, i need to meet more people in south am!
Well, what do you want to do exactly? Start a foco movement again like we've seen in the 60s and 70s? Im planning on going to Peru to finish by bachelor research in like 2 years (goddamn long term planning) but most stuff left wing there seems to be...well centered around those moronic Sendero Luminoso, and personally I have no interests in dealing with those personality cult driven fucks!

[Ander]

I live in Brasil as well...but not for much longer.

[PuercoPop]

I live in Peru and I want to start some shit too XD.

Avtomat_Icaro:
Well yeah the 'left' here is more a term ppl add to their political definiotion to say they are with the people. The Apra place themselves in the left ... And the 'true' left are completelu disconnected with the reality. I went to the launching of their presidential candidate. And saw the 2nd Vicepresident (also running for congress) saying "yeah 6 hour working hours"

If you want, when you get to Peru send me a pvt. msg and let's see if we can get toghether to talk and exchange ideas and see if we start something worthwhile.

Here politicual groups just use young ppl for their political agenda. And as Aavel_Caihn i'm starting to feel insane. Don't want to reach my 30's and still just preaching to a coulpe of friends while we drink....

[Rawthentic]

I live in California, so all you have to do is crawl up the Americas to get me, that is, if you are in South America.

[dez]

Here politicual groups just use young ppl for their political agenda. And as Aavel_Caihn i'm starting to feel insane. Don't want to reach my 30's and still just preaching to a coulpe of friends while we drink.... [2]