Bobby Fischer

[RedArmyFaction]

Hi comrades,

I've just found out that Bobby Fischer, who is regarded has one of the greatest chess players ever, has an intense hatred of jews, admires Hitler and has a strong dislike for the American government. Did anyone else know this ? I'm very shocked by this. I know that he was exiled from the USA and went to jail. Iceland offered him a visa. He now lives in Japan. I watched this youtude clip of him :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtWuwQX8Is

Tell me what you think.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 09:09 pm
Hi comrades,

I've just found out that Bobby Fischer, who is regarded has one of the greatest chess players ever, has an intense hatred of jews, admires Hitler and has a strong dislike for the American government. Did anyone else know this ? I'm very shocked by this. I know that he was exiled from the USA and went to jail. Iceland offered him a visa. He now lives in Japan. I watched this youtude clip of him :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtWuwQX8Is

Tell me what you think.
... Maybe he's a Nazi but why hate the US government? they are like his comrades in arms...

[RedArmyFaction]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 10, 2007 09:12 pm
... Maybe he's a Nazi but why hate the US government? they are like his comrades in arms...


Fischer sees America as being a country run and owned by jews. But Fischer has a half jewish mother.............so how can he hate jews like this ? It's strange.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by RedArmyFaction+May 10, 2007 09:20 pm--> (RedArmyFaction @ May 10, 2007 09:20 pm)
Question [email protected] 10, 2007 09:12 pm
... Maybe he's a Nazi but why hate the US government? they are like his comrades in arms...


Fischer sees America as being a country run and owned by jews. But Fischer has a half jewish mother.............so how can he hate jews like this ? It's strange. [/b]
wow... He true lives up to the stero-type of a self-hating Jew (Not that I use or endorse that sterotype)

[Dimentio]

Nazis hate America because they hate modernism. Even the original nazis had a severe dislike for the USA.

The anti-americanism of the left is more that they dislike American politics and American conservatism, while the nazis view the USA as a degenerated fortress of popular culture, women's liberation, vulgarism and liberalism, all things which nazis hate.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/f8/Liberators-Kultur-Terror-Anti-Americanism-1944-Nazi-Propaganda-Poster.jpg

Here is an example of how nazis looked at the USA.

[Question everything]

Wait... are they calling the US Tolerant or Racist in that Poster??? :wacko:

[Sir_No_Sir]

Isnt he like, extremely mentally unstable?

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by wikipedia
After twenty years, Fischer emerged from isolation to challenge Spassky (then placed 96-102 on the rating list) to a "Revenge Match of the 20th Century" in 1992. This match took place in Sveti Stefan and Belgrade, FR Yugoslavia, in spite of a severe United Nations embargo that included sanctions on sporting events. Fischer demanded that the organizers bill the match as "The World Chess Championship", although Garry Kasparov was the recognized FIDE World Champion. The purse for this match was reported to be $US 5,000,000 with two-thirds to go to the winner. The U.S. Department of the Treasury had warned Fischer beforehand that his participation was illegal.[21] In front of the international press, Fischer was filmed spitting on the U.S. order forbidding him to play. Following the match, the department obtained an arrest warrant for him although some dispute the legality of the Department's claim and question why others who broke the embargo have not been prosecuted.[22] Fischer won the match, 10 wins to 5, with 15 draws. Many grandmasters observing the match said that Fischer was past his prime. In the book Mortal Games, Garry Kasparov is quoted: "He is playing OK. Around 2600 or 2650. It wouldn't be close between us." He has not played any competitive games since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer

I think that's why he hates the US. He's been in exile ever since, and if he returns, he'd be arrested. He also thinks they want to put him away for ten years. As for his anti-Semitism, I don't know; obsession over Chess has the unusual ability to really corrupt rationality, rendering one a paranoid, delusional fool. It's quite a pattern throughout Chess history. Maybe that's it.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by Neutrino+May 12, 2007 03:05 pm--> (Neutrino @ May 12, 2007 03:05 pm)
wikipedia
After twenty years, Fischer emerged from isolation to challenge Spassky (then placed 96-102 on the rating list) to a "Revenge Match of the 20th Century" in 1992. This match took place in Sveti Stefan and Belgrade, FR Yugoslavia, in spite of a severe United Nations embargo that included sanctions on sporting events. Fischer demanded that the organizers bill the match as "The World Chess Championship", although Garry Kasparov was the recognized FIDE World Champion. The purse for this match was reported to be $US 5,000,000 with two-thirds to go to the winner. The U.S. Department of the Treasury had warned Fischer beforehand that his participation was illegal.[21] In front of the international press, Fischer was filmed spitting on the U.S. order forbidding him to play. Following the match, the department obtained an arrest warrant for him although some dispute the legality of the Department's claim and question why others who broke the embargo have not been prosecuted.[22] Fischer won the match, 10 wins to 5, with 15 draws. Many grandmasters observing the match said that Fischer was past his prime. In the book Mortal Games, Garry Kasparov is quoted: "He is playing OK. Around 2600 or 2650. It wouldn't be close between us." He has not played any competitive games since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer

I think that's why he hates the US. He's been in exile ever since, and if he returns, he'd be arrested. He also thinks they want to put him away for ten years. As for his anti-Semitism, I don't know; obsession over Chess has the unusual ability to really corrupt rationality, rendering one a paranoid, delusional fool. It's quite a pattern throughout Chess history. Maybe that's it. [/b]
:ph34r: Are you by any Chance Bobby Fischer in real life? :ph34r:

[Janitor]

I wouldn't say that Fischer is a "nazi". He is not ideologically coherent enough to be a full-fledged fascist.
I think that while he himself has claimed that his hatred to Jews is based on personal experiences, the main reason for his anti-Semitism and anti-communism is his quite serious mental disturbance from which he has been suffering for many years.

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 03:05 pm
As for his anti-Semitism, I don't know; obsession over Chess has the unusual ability to really corrupt rationality, rendering one a paranoid, delusional fool. It's quite a pattern throughout Chess history. Maybe that's it.
No, " the unusual ability to really corrupt rationality" is not "quite a pattern throughout Chess history" at all. On the contrary I think that be closer examination you will find that most great chessplayers were more than adequatly rational people.

[Janus]

Not sure why Fischer turned to anti-Semitism but it's not exactly new; he's been making anti-Semetic remarks for quite a while now though I've yet to see him identify himself with Nazism.


Isnt he like, extremely mentally unstable?
He's still a chess genius so he doesn't fit the profile of someone who's extremely mentally "insane" but his personal life does point to some sort of problem.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by Janitor+May 13, 2007 12:24 pm--> (Janitor @ May 13, 2007 12:24 pm) I wouldn't say that Fischer is a "nazi". He is not ideologically coherent enough to be a full-fledged fascist.
I think that while he himself has claimed that his hatred to Jews is based on personal experiences, the main reason for his anti-Semitism and anti-communism is his quite serious mental disturbance from which he has been suffering for many years.

[email protected] 12, 2007 03:05 pm
As for his anti-Semitism, I don't know; obsession over Chess has the unusual ability to really corrupt rationality, rendering one a paranoid, delusional fool. It's quite a pattern throughout Chess history. Maybe that's it.
No, " the unusual ability to really corrupt rationality" is not "quite a pattern throughout Chess history" at all. On the contrary I think that be closer examination you will find that most great chessplayers were more than adequatly rational people. [/b]
Janitor :ph34r:


He's still a chess genius so he doesn't fit the profile of someone who's extremely mentally "insane" but his personal life does point to some sort of problem.
Mental problems in no way impede your ability to play, or indeed master, games such as chess.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 12:02 am

He's still a chess genius so he doesn't fit the profile of someone who's extremely mentally "insane" but his personal life does point to some sort of problem.
Mental problems in no way impede your ability to play, or indeed master, games such as chess.
In fact in some cases mental diseases help the person become good at something, like piccasso

[Red October]

Originally posted by Question everything+May 13, 2007 07:27 pm--> (Question everything @ May 13, 2007 07:27 pm)
[email protected] 14, 2007 12:02 am

He's still a chess genius so he doesn't fit the profile of someone who's extremely mentally "insane" but his personal life does point to some sort of problem.
Mental problems in no way impede your ability to play, or indeed master, games such as chess.
In fact in some cases mental diseases help the person become good at something, like piccasso [/b]
Yeah. There are cases of people with Autism and similiar conditions that impede their social skills, but they're fucking geniuses.

[Zero]

Let's not confuse Antisemitism with mental instability. He may be unstable, but those are two different cases, both of which can be completely independent of each other. It just so happens that they coincide. It's a real insult to people with mental disorders when you lump them all together like that.

[Neutrino]

No, " the unusual ability to really corrupt rationality" is not "quite a pattern throughout Chess history" at all. On the contrary I think that be closer examination you will find that most great chessplayers were more than adequatly rational people.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just suggesting that since in Chess a big part of the game is constantly looking over your shoulder, meticulously checking your opponent's advances, and constantly looking for a way in which your opponent may surprise you, then for the one who spends 10 hours a day on Chess throughout a normal human lifetime, it may either exacerbate or engender a sense of paranoid irrationality. Perhaps I was being hyperbolic when I said it was quite a pattern throughout Chess history. But it has been catalytic to the usurpation of rationality to paranoia in its most fanatical devotees. Basically, schizophrenia.


:ph34r: Are you by any Chance Bobby Fischer in real life? :ph34r:

:rolleyes: Uh, no, but I used to be really into Chess.


Let's not confuse Antisemitism with mental instability. He may be unstable, but those are two different cases, both of which can be completely independent of each other. It just so happens that they coincide. It's a real insult to people with mental disorders when you lump them all together like that.

That's not at all what I was suggesting. I'm not even neurotypical, myself. I would never suggest that Anti-Semitism arising from mental instability is anything but anomalous yet occasionally explanatory.

[Question everything]

Are you by any Chance Bobby Fischer in real life?
Uh, no, but I used to be really into Chess.

Same here. But I think I'll start calling you Bobby just in case :ph34r:

[RedArmyFaction]

I'm really into chess as well. I searched through videos of Bobby Fischer on youtube and came across his anti jewish speech..............which is the link i gave. The more i watch that youtube clip,the more i realise he's just really pissed off at the American government for victimising him and forcing him into exile. Certainly, i agreed with Fischers comments on the youtube clip about president bush however............it's very bad taste of him to blame the jews who are an easy target and sadly, will always be an easy target.
I admire Fischer as a chess master but not as a person. He was always a paranoid person. In the 1972 world championship title match against Boris Spassky, he had it in his mind that the soviets wanted to blow up his plane.

[Janus]

Mental problems in no way impede your ability to play, or indeed master, games such as chess.
It really depends on the type of mental illnesses. Some obviously have an effect on people's lives, hobbies, and abilities, etc. while others have more of an impact on their social demeanor. If Fischer is indeed suffering from any of these then it must be one of the more mild forms which probably developed some time after his professional playing career ended.

[Janitor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 07:59 pm
I'm not saying that at all.
I apologize if I misrepresented you, but frankly I am still unable to see that I twisted your words in any way.


I'm just suggesting that since in Chess a big part of the game is constantly looking over your shoulder, meticulously checking your opponent's advances, and constantly looking for a way in which your opponent may surprise you, then for the one who spends 10 hours a day on Chess throughout a normal human lifetime, it may either exacerbate or engender a sense of paranoid irrationality.
I can't see why chess is so different from any other competitive game, and I don't recognize that description of the game you present above at all.



Perhaps I was being hyperbolic when I said it was quite a pattern throughout Chess history. But it has been catalytic to the usurpation of rationality to paranoia in its most fanatical devotees. Basically, schizophrenia.
I think that you were indeed hyperbolic. As far as I can see, during the last 200 years only a tiny minority of chessmasters can be said to have been suffering from serious mental disturbance. I don't think that schizophrenia is overrepresented among them.
As somebody who has been an active chessplayer for about 30 years, it is always regrettable to learn that such notions seem to be quite a widespread notion. Heck, I remember my wife's reaction when learning that I regulary participated in chess tournaments...

[RedArmyFaction]

right ok then

[RedArmyFaction]

sorry for the double post

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 11, 2007 08:04 pm
Wait... are they calling the US Tolerant or Racist in that Poster??? :wacko:
Both.