[STUDY GROUP] Fascism Study Group

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Knowing your enemy makes it far easier to defeat him. Who's up for a fascism study group? Anyone got any reccomendations?

[StartToday]

I don't have any recommendations but I'll join. Post whatever you want to discuss and I'll read it.

[Vargha Poralli]

Well to study Fascism from Marxist perspective this Subject Archive (http://www.marxists.org/subject/fascism/index.htm) from MIA could be used. It contains index to the works of Gramsci and Trotsky about the rise of Fascism in Italy,Germany and Spain.

[rouchambeau]

http://www.prole.info/pamphlets/insurrectionsdie.pdf

[Nathan_Morrison]

Depends on what kind of perspective you want, Marxist check out ( www.marx.org and check out fascism, what it is and how to fight it by Leon Trotsky). If you want a fascist's perspective check out some of either Oswald Mosley's works or Benito Mussolini's or if you want a Nazi's perspective check out Mien Kampf by Adolf Hitler. I am not sure of any books on fascism from a capitalist's eyes but there will undoubtably be one out there.
EDIT: i have found a link to one of Mussolini's works called The Doctrine of Fascism (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm)

[Labor Shall Rule]

I would recommend Leon Trotsky's Fascism: What It Is and How To Fight It, and naturally, the writings of Antonio Gramsci throughout the rise of Mussolini. I think they both provide a perspective on the trend of fascism; it's material and political roots that arised out of the crisis of capitalist production after the devastation of the First World War.

[Rawthentic]

Since Nazism and Stalinism are related in that they mark the state-capitalist form, a historical tendency not just relegated to Russia or Germany and best suited for the bourgeoisie to stay in power, shouldnt we study both?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 03:14 am
Since Nazism and Stalinism are related in that they mark the state-capitalist form, a historical tendency not just relegated to Russia or Germany and best suited for the bourgeoisie to stay in power, shouldnt we study both?
are you fucking batshit insane?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I'll start a poll

[Rawthentic]

are you fucking batshit insane?
I've already explained the historical perspective on these two.

Say what?

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 03:14 am
Since Nazism and Stalinism are related in that they mark the state-capitalist form, a historical tendency not just relegated to Russia or Germany and best suited for the bourgeoisie to stay in power, shouldnt we study both?
Urgh...that's some immature crap there comrade. If you can't tell the difference between a flawed but defendable system and one which is based on eliminating independent working-class organisation then that's pretty bad.

I'll join if you read Trotsky's writings on Fascism, his (and most Anarchists) is the only correct analysis I've found.

[Leo]

I will propose Bordiga's Theses of Lyons, part III: Italian Questions (http://www.sinistra.net/lib/pre/lunita/dufeadixye.html#u16), written in 1926.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Voz de la Gente [email protected] 22, 2007 03:14 am
Since Nazism and Stalinism are related in that they mark the state-capitalist form, a historical tendency not just relegated to Russia or Germany and best suited for the bourgeoisie to stay in power, shouldnt we study both?
Marxism-Leninism is not State Capitalism. The workers controlled the means of production, all property was publicly or collectively owned and run by the masses of people or delegates. Go ahead and study "stalinism" because you have no understanding of Marx, Lenin, or Stalin's works if you say this shite

[Fawkes]

I'm up for this, though, unfortunately, I have no books or papers to offer.

[Rawthentic]

The workers controlled the means of production, all property was publicly or collectively owned and run by the masses of people or delegates. Go ahead and study "stalinism" because you have no understanding of Marx, Lenin, or Stalin's works if you say this shite
Under Stalin? Come on comrade.

Who doesnt understand Marx or Lenin?

Check out the "SO-CALLED 'SOCIALIST' COUNTRIES'" thread in Politics. It pretty much refutes this crap.

[Leo]

I'm starting a poll for this study group.