Extream communism is the enemy of the people and the world.

[Invader Zim]

Extream communism's bad points:-
1. Creates discord among the whole left wing team.
2. Allows cruel dictators such as stalin to bring us down.
3. Brings the fear of the weston world on us. Even though we should work with them to help the worlds people.
4. Has caused war resulting in the death of any innocence we once possesed.

If we are to be successful in improving the lifestyle of the masses then we must solve these problems.

[redstar2000]

Speaking on behalf of "extreme communists"--

1. Yes, by failing to brown-nose anyone who wraps themselves in a red flag of convenience, we do INDEED bring discord to the "left". Telling the painful and unflattering truth about both capitalism and its "opponents" is a very important part of our JOB!

2. Extreme communists despise dictators, ESPECIALLY when they dare to label themselves "communist".

3. The capitalist class--or "western world"--fears ANYONE who even HINTS that perhaps the rights of capital should be mildly restricted or regulated...much less working class revolution. Look at the absolutely HYSTERICAL reaction of the Venezuelan capitalist class and its middle class allies to the modest reforms of Huga Chavez...who is not even a socialist!!

4. It is not we communists who have "caused war"--war is deeply rooted in capitalist society.

And, let's face it, there was not much hope for your "innocence" anyway. Innocence is just another word for LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

Are we "extreme communists" the enemy of the people and the world? I think we're the only friends the people and the world have. But then, I'm prejudiced. :cool:

[chamo]

you are way right redstar
innocance = ignorance + repression

extreme communist, not us we help society, not kill it like capitalism. the west capitalist society cannot be trusted to help anyone, they can only be trusted to exploit them and cause war in other countries

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from happyguy on 9:57 pm on Dec. 13, 2002
you are way right redstar
innocance = ignorance + repression

extreme communist, not us we help society, not kill it like capitalism. the west capitalist society cannot be trusted to help anyone, they can only be trusted to exploit them and cause war in other countries

I'm not a capitalist I hate it

I'm not a Communist, I hate it almost as much as I do capitalism

Capitalism hasn't killed society, atleast not in the west. You say the innocent are ignorant but you claimt hat capitalism kills society when the US is the richest country on the plane.

I'm not condoning capitalism but taht statement was just sad.

Extreme Communist often lose their vision that is how dictators emerge.

Do you think Lenin planned for people to Be opresed? but absolute power currupts absolutely

[nz revolution]

this is a bit weird having a moderator who hates communism.

Dont tell me you are allowed in the commie club?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

So why again do you hate Communism, lardlad?

[Iepilei]

In a communistic society - as to my understanding anyways - heirarchy is gone. This is the reason communism is able to adhere to the basis of democracy better than capitalism ever could.

So if you have a powerful, central head of state you have no right to claim communism.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from nz revolution on 7:31 am on Dec. 14, 2002
this is a bit weird having a moderator who hates communism.

Dont tell me you are allowed in the commie club?


Your damn right I'm allowed in the commie club

and you know what I'm fucking mad

the only reason I attacked communism is because everyone is attacking democratic socialism

I hate it because its just as unequal as capitalism

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

your hearts are in teh right place but you got the idea wrong.

Marx's ideas were corrupted and no matter how hard you guys try they will stay corrupted by what you think communism is supposed to be.


PS. THE BOARD ISN"T JUST FOR COMMIES SOCIALISTS CAN BE HERE TO

[Lardlad95]

ok let me apologize

I don't hate communism

I just think you guys are horribly wrong

you have the right idea but you go about it wrong.

I respect your wishes for change but lets face it communism hasn't done so hot in the past

[chamo]

don't think about what went wrong in the past, think how they can be done properly, think fowards

[Invader Zim]

The future of communism, is that sadly it will never occur because people are corrupted by power. I would say stalin is an example of a bloke who started with good intentions of modernising russia, you know the old uncle Joe thing, but to be honist he was corrupt from the start.

But the point still stands Socialism=good, but people take advantage of the system redusing people to the low levels of capatalism, in order to keep up with the corrupt members of the system. So unless we design a way to make the whole human race perfect then were skrewed!!! (god i got my self in a bad mood thinking about this, Damn)

[Geddan]

Communism, political inequality? Geez, you're wrong! It is totally egalitarian out of political perspective, if you can keep the power-horny *****es out of the top.

Look forward and look global. Communism and Anarchism will one day rule the world and all will prosper.

[Som]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:36 pm on Dec. 14, 2002


Your damn right I'm allowed in the commie club

and you know what I'm fucking mad

the only reason I attacked communism is because everyone is attacking democratic socialism

I hate it because its just as unequal as capitalism

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

your hearts are in teh right place but you got the idea wrong.

Marx's ideas were corrupted and no matter how hard you guys try they will stay corrupted by what you think communism is supposed to be.


PS. THE BOARD ISN"T JUST FOR COMMIES SOCIALISTS CAN BE HERE TO


I think you're just playing definitions wrong.

Falling into the trap of common western definitions of things, which really muddle it with the rest of us.

I think what you're referring to as communism is just authoritarian socialism. The USSR, Cuba, so on.

Communism is a stateless, equal society without private property, the end result of socialism. This is what they generally mean when they call themselves communists.
Socialism is meant to be democratic.

No one attacked democratic socialism.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Som on 8:35 pm on Dec. 16, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:36 pm on Dec. 14, 2002


Your damn right I'm allowed in the commie club

and you know what I'm fucking mad

the only reason I attacked communism is because everyone is attacking democratic socialism

I hate it because its just as unequal as capitalism

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

your hearts are in teh right place but you got the idea wrong.

Marx's ideas were corrupted and no matter how hard you guys try they will stay corrupted by what you think communism is supposed to be.


PS. THE BOARD ISN"T JUST FOR COMMIES SOCIALISTS CAN BE HERE TO


I think you're just playing definitions wrong.

Falling into the trap of common western definitions of things, which really muddle it with the rest of us.

I think what you're referring to as communism is just authoritarian socialism. The USSR, Cuba, so on.

Communism is a stateless, equal society without private property, the end result of socialism. This is what they generally mean when they call themselves communists.
Socialism is meant to be democratic.

No one attacked democratic socialism.

YEs I'm aware that Communism isn't what the Soviet Union and cuba did

however I know communist get really pissed when they are grouped with those countries

just like I get pissed when I'm called a social democrat

[Man of the Cause]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 7:40 pm on Dec. 16, 2002

Quote: from Som on 8:35 pm on Dec. 16, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:36 pm on Dec. 14, 2002


Your damn right I'm allowed in the commie club

and you know what I'm fucking mad

the only reason I attacked communism is because everyone is attacking democratic socialism

I hate it because its just as unequal as capitalism

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

your hearts are in teh right place but you got the idea wrong.

Marx's ideas were corrupted and no matter how hard you guys try they will stay corrupted by what you think communism is supposed to be.


PS. THE BOARD ISN"T JUST FOR COMMIES SOCIALISTS CAN BE HERE TO


I think you're just playing definitions wrong.

Falling into the trap of common western definitions of things, which really muddle it with the rest of us.

I think what you're referring to as communism is just authoritarian socialism. The USSR, Cuba, so on.

Communism is a stateless, equal society without private property, the end result of socialism. This is what they generally mean when they call themselves communists.
Socialism is meant to be democratic.

No one attacked democratic socialism.

YEs I'm aware that Communism isn't what the Soviet Union and cuba did

however I know communist get really pissed when they are grouped with those countries

just like I get pissed when I'm called a social democrat

I'm "pissed" at those countries because they claim to be communist.

[Iepilei]

Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists (marxist) are only different in their methods.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Iepilei on 9:17 pm on Dec. 31, 2002
Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists (marxist) are only different in their methods.
If this is true then Stalinism=Facism

[Conghaileach]

What is the difference between so-called democratic socialsim and social democracy?


And what's with the 'Stalinism=Fascism' line? Stalin oppressed his people just as any capitalist would do, and does today. Need I remind anyone here that it was the Red Army who played the biggest role in defeating the Nazis, and the USSR was one of only two countries that officially supported the Spanish Republic during the revolution.

[Invader Zim]

Hitler killed aproximatly 6.6 million jews. Stalin killed aproximatly 20 million slavs.

The USSR did play a big role in WW2 and had the highest casualty rate but you cant say it had the biggest. If the USA had not interviened we may have lost. If D day had not been launched then we would have lost. If El Almain had not been won then the war would have been lost. If it had not been a two frount war we would have lost. It was team work no country did more for victory than any other. They are Equil.

[komsomol]

Quote: from AK47 on 9:54 pm on Jan. 7, 2003

Quote: from Iepilei on 9:17 pm on Dec. 31, 2002
Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists (marxist) are only different in their methods.
If this is true then Stalinism=Facism


No, Stalinism and Fascism have different AIMS they are the SAME in thier methods.

[Aleksander Nordby]

USSR could have lost not so many people in ww2 if Stalin did spare the soviet generals lifes, then many many soldiers and civillian would been living.

[Aleksander Nordby]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:36 pm on Dec. 14, 2002

Quote: from nz revolution on 7:31 am on Dec. 14, 2002
this is a bit weird having a moderator who hates communism.

Dont tell me you are allowed in the commie club?


Your damn right I'm allowed in the commie club

and you know what I'm fucking mad

the only reason I attacked communism is because everyone is attacking democratic socialism

I hate it because its just as unequal as capitalism

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

your hearts are in teh right place but you got the idea wrong.

Marx's ideas were corrupted and no matter how hard you guys try they will stay corrupted by what you think communism is supposed to be.


PS. THE BOARD ISN"T JUST FOR COMMIES SOCIALISTS CAN BE HERE TO


social democrats is the fake left-wing, but together we will overtrone the cappies.

[mentalbunny]

You all sound like you are talking about authoritarian communism, which is a pile of shit, but libertarian communism is basically my ideal world.

Also there is a difference between Social democracy, which is basically just left of centre, and democratic socialism, which is way more left.