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Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
8th May 2007, 20:30
Antonio Gramsci was a Marxist who changed the way Marx saw class-concuiosness (or lack of). He put this down to bourguoise contol over the hedgemony (media etc. which shapes people views). This is ideaoligy no???
I belive what Gramsci says is true...look at the war in Iraq and how the public was convinced that Saddam had WMD. But as a marxist believe in materialism as I thimk that a society based on equality not greed will change our "human-nature"

Is it possible for people to be inluenced by the two (their material conditions an what they are told/think) That is a reason communists dont have a lot of support, we are portrayed as evil. So defeat the hedgemony...defeat the bourguoise...agree?

bloody_capitalist_sham
8th May 2007, 20:56
Well workers form their own opinions through their own everyday experiences. The reason why they can act as a class is because those experiences will be similar to each other as their role in the economy is similar.

I think ideology will sometimes work, and form and shape their thoughts, but only too a point.


I belive what Gramsci says is true...look at the war in Iraq and how the public was convinced that Saddam had WMD.

I think that is definitely right, also have you noticed how many Americans think that 9/11 was orchestrated or was let happen by the American government??

While i think they are wrong in the case on 9/11, the fact that they distrust the government or more generally the state, shows that from their own experience, the US state is not their ally.

Then you look at America again, at the New Orleans flooding's, and you can see that their was contempt for the federal state when people realised how incompetent they really are.

So, while the state might present propaganda of how successful it is, large quantities of people, just in the last fives or so years, have experienced something contradictory to that.

Also, in the 1990's there were the poll tax Riots, and the battle of Seattle thing, this came just after a long period of roll back of the state and more privatisation and the loss of workers rights and real buying power.

Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
9th May 2007, 18:39
Yes...it would be foolish to support only one (i.e materialim or ideoligy) when a mixture is relevant and MUST be adressed.