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Die Neue Zeit
5th May 2007, 23:17
Someone posted in another forum of this board about "dangerous addictions" (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=66068) (as Lenin put it). Mine is Stalinist architecture, but aren't skyscraping monuments appropriate for auditoria, academies, museums, public libraries, universities, Internet cafes, etc.?

Consider the Palace of Soviets (http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=41280), as discussed on Soviet-Empire.com.

Other Stalinist architecture pics:

http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/01.jpg (Palace model)
http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/06.jpg (Other building)
http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/07.jpg (Other building)
http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/09.jpg (Palace interior)
http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/10.jpg (Other building)
http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/12.jpg (Palace with Kremlin at lower left)

http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/11.jpg (Massive rally to the Palace, making for a peculiar "vertical" parade instead of the traditional horizontal parades)

http://www.muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/14.jpg (My favourite: Zaryadye skyscraper, no GUM, and Red Square being closer in resemblance to Palace Square in St. Petersburg)

http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/02e.htm (tallest building proposal for the "Narkom" of Heavy Industry, again no GUM given the enlarged Red Square)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/Tpb.jpg (Triumph "Palace" building recently built)

Disclaimer:


Originally posted by Janus
I wouldn't consider SE to be part of the "extreme left" since many of the members are Stalinists who are either nostalgic for the good old days or simply Stalin kiddies who admire Stalin for his rule.

Red October
6th May 2007, 00:50
the "palace of the soviets" was a ridiculous idea and the russians couldn't do it, so it ended up as a big swimming pool.

Honggweilo
6th May 2007, 00:57
It ended up being the church of "jezus christ the savior" again :(...

Die Neue Zeit
6th May 2007, 00:59
^^^ Red October, the only reason it couldn't be done was because of the war and reconstruction efforts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Soviets#Construction). The materials used in the construction were abruptly shifted to military production.

Other than the Lenin statue (you're right in saying THAT is ridiculous, but some abstract like an enlarged version of "The Free Proletarian" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Soviets#The_Iofan-Schuko-Gelfreikh_design) or even of the "Mother Motherland Is Calling" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Motherland) statue would've been nice), what was ridiculous about the skyscraper?

Red October
6th May 2007, 01:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 06:59 pm
Other than the Lenin statue (you're right in saying THAT is ridiculous, but some abstract like an enlarged version of "The Free Proletarian" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Soviets#The_Iofan-Schuko-Gelfreikh_design) would've been nice), what was ridiculous about the skyscraper?
I just seems really wasteful and only designed to say "hey, look at this big fucking building!"

which doctor
6th May 2007, 04:48
I'm actually reall quite fascinated with Stalinist and Brutalist Architecture. It's really quite odd.

Die Neue Zeit
6th May 2007, 06:08
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 06, 2007 12:05 am
I just seems really wasteful and only designed to say "hey, look at this big fucking building!"
What about the Great Pyramids? Yes, oppressed labour was used there, too. However, those suckers were the tallest structures on Earth for millennia&#33; <_<

Anyhow, my original question revolved around the utility of such. Even originally, the tallest examples of Stalinist architecture - realized and otherwise - had educational purposes (Moscow State University being the tallest building in Europe until the 80s :hammer: ). The Palace of the Soviets would&#39;ve had libraries, too.

Honggweilo
6th May 2007, 13:06
What about the Great Pyramids? Yes, oppressed labour was used there, too. However, those suckers were the tallest structures on Earth for millennia&#33;
That was discussable

Die Neue Zeit
6th May 2007, 20:53
^^^ In what way are the Great Pyramids "discussable"? The educational value? The oppressive labour? The "tallest structures" part?

Tower of Bebel
6th May 2007, 22:08
Those monuments are great. Aweful because it symbolizes the "degeneration" of socialism I guess, but great because it&#39;s very interesting to analyse.

Boriznov
8th May 2007, 21:16
Idolization of a single person like that big lenin statue isn&#39;t good for anyone, if it would be the worker instead maybe it would be better.

Nothing Human Is Alien
8th May 2007, 22:00
How can architecture be "Stalinist"??

bloody_capitalist_sham
8th May 2007, 22:32
How can architecture be "Stalinist"??

It was dude.

Very strangely, on tv last night there was a "history" of Russian architecture.

During the rapid industrialisation period under Stalin, there was a them of uniformed, smooth lines of equal and symmetrical size and shapes.

Tower of Bebel
8th May 2007, 22:47
Originally posted by Compań[email protected] 08, 2007 09:00 pm
How can architecture be "Stalinist"??
Cause the statue will have these giant cameras that will watch you every day :P .
Stalinist in this case is just a term to mark a period in time I guess.

Red October
8th May 2007, 22:55
Originally posted by Compań[email protected] 08, 2007 04:00 pm
How can architecture be "Stalinist"??
it has trap doors that send you to gulags. and the walls have speakers that call you a dirty kulak.

which doctor
9th May 2007, 00:02
Originally posted by Compań[email protected] 08, 2007 04:00 pm
How can architecture be "Stalinist"??
It refers to the style of architecture made popular under Stalin&#39;s rule of the Soviet Union.

Die Neue Zeit
9th May 2007, 04:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 09:32 pm

How can architecture be "Stalinist"??

It was dude.

Very strangely, on tv last night there was a "history" of Russian architecture.

During the rapid industrialisation period under Stalin, there was a theme of uniformed, smooth lines of equal and symmetrical size and shapes.
I think it has more to do with this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinist_architecture): striking parade monumentalism, patriotic art decoration and traditional motifs.

Fightin Da Man
9th May 2007, 05:41
I too am a fan of architecture. There&#39;s certainly something to be said for having a pleasing environment (although i suppose a lot of that is unfortunately up to the whim of taste), but I&#39;m skeptical of the practicality of monumental buildings. This is certainly not to say that that palace is not amazingly designed and would not be awe-inspiring to look at (although I&#39;d prefer it minus the Lenin statue obviously), but I&#39;m not sure one can justify putting the manpower and the resources into it if a simpler or smaller building would serve the same function.

Amusing Scrotum
9th May 2007, 14:12
Originally posted by Compań[email protected] 08, 2007 09:00 pm
How can architecture be "Stalinist"??

For the same reasons architecture can be Victorian, Tudor, Gothic, etc., etc.

That is, the architecture of a specific time period, often in a specific place, has certain distinguishing features that make it a style of its own. In this case, "Stalinist architecture", in other words, the predominant architectural styles during the period that Stalin was official leader of the Soviet Union, is probably distinct enough to warrant a category of its own.

And, therefore, you have Stalinist architecture.

Though, personally, I&#39;d say something like neo-Romanesque is a more fitting term. Because the architecture itself, seems to bring classical flamboyance to the age of reinforced concrete.

Personally, though, I&#39;m more of a fan of simple, modernist architecture. And I&#39;m probably one of the few people, along with FoB it seems, that thinks post-war Brutalist architecture is kinda&#39; nice -- just a bit less edgy than I&#39;d like.

Red October
11th May 2007, 05:28
Some stalinist architecture just looks like 10 story bunkers. lame.

Lenin II
11th May 2007, 05:45
That Palace of the Soviets is ballin&#39; outta control&#33; Holy shit, that&#39;s HUGE. Just imagining something like that with Lenin&#39;s statue is breathtaking, but at the same time, I know it goes against everything I believe. I can&#39;t help it, though. AWESOME FUCKING BUILDING&#33;

Die Neue Zeit
12th May 2007, 01:47
^^^ Then see the other examples of Stalinist architecture, including a significantly altered Red Square. ;)


Originally posted by Fightin Da [email protected] 09, 2007 04:41 am
but I&#39;m not sure one can justify putting the manpower and the resources into it if a simpler or smaller building would serve the same function
A monumental tribute to public gatherings and particularly public education, as I said above?

Instead of building monumentally useless tombs (pyramids, Taj Mahal), mega-churches, mega-mosques, commercial office towers, etc. - employing Stalinist architecture for the aforementioned purposes would be a great tribute to the legacy of the Alexandria Library. :)

Tower of Bebel
12th May 2007, 10:59
But not Lenin&#33; Would be funny if it was Stalin and if it would have been build before Krushtev took power. Destalinisation, but what with the huge statue?? :D

Boriznov
12th May 2007, 11:32
hahaha :D

Die Neue Zeit
12th May 2007, 16:29
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 09:59 am
But not Lenin&#33; Would be funny if it was Stalin and if it would have been build before Krushtev took power. Destalinisation, but what with the huge statue?? :D
Why not replace such Stalin statue with an enlarged Mother Motherland? :P

Marukusu
13th May 2007, 10:19
Really impressive buildings, but I can&#39;t help to be reminded of the nazi "Volkshalle" and stuff like that:

http://www.macalester.edu/geography/courses/geog261/ebrandt/nazidome.jpg

(that little square building in the lower right corner is Brandenburger Tor...)

Such buildings would be such an incredible waste of labour and resources. But as I said, really impressive...

Tower of Bebel
13th May 2007, 11:04
One reason more to attack the SU, the palace of Soviets would have been bigger than hitler&#39;s project.

Die Neue Zeit
14th May 2007, 02:45
Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 09:19 am
Really impressive buildings, but I can&#39;t help to be reminded of the nazi "Volkshalle" and stuff like that:

http://www.macalester.edu/geography/courses/geog261/ebrandt/nazidome.jpg

(that little square building in the lower right corner is Brandenburger Tor...)

Such buildings would be such an incredible waste of labour and resources. But as I said, really impressive...
Domes have more architectural challenges than skyscrapers. :)

The problem with that sucker is two-fold: the mud and the clouds (the dome is too big, and even rain clouds could have formed inside the building).

Anyhow, I have to respond with my original question: why would such be a waste of labour and resources if the projects are dedicated educational facilities like the Great Library of Alexandria?

Mujer Libre
14th May 2007, 12:19
Huge buildings are terribly inefficient- especially when it comes to lighting and heat. Imagine heating this huge, high ceilinged space in the middle of winter. Essentially you&#39;d have all this unused space above the people absorbing the heat. What a waste.

For educational purposes the space would also surely need to be divided into different areas to be useful at all. So why bother with this huge structure anyway? A much less intimidating, sort of friendly structure would be preferable to me, especially considering I find it easier to learn in a pleasant, non-threatening environment- you now, where I can look out the window, or even go sit on a lawn.

So basically I think this monumental style of architecture is a wasteful wank.

Entrails Konfetti
14th May 2007, 14:56
http://img.radio.cz/pictures/historie/stalin_letna1.jpg
http://img.radio.cz/pictures/historie/stalin_letna.jpg


The 50-metre high massive statue of the finest marble was proudly unveiled by Czechoslovakia&#39;s Communist regime on May 1, 1955. For seven years the residents of Prague had the Soviet leader follow their every move from the hill above. The 17,000 tonne statue - Stalin&#39;s jacket button alone, decorated with a hammer and sickle, of course, was half a metre wide - featured the Soviet leader in front of a line of workers - jokingly called the "Fronta na maso" or "meat queue" by Prague residents, as this was a time when they were a daily part of life in the city.
There are some dark legends associated with the statue. Its creator, Otakar Svec committed suicide a day before the unveiling. The man who posed for him as Stalin - an electrician from the Barrandov film studios, failed to shake off his nickname "Stalin", took to drink, and died three years later. And, the vast statue&#39;s glory days were short-lived. Stalin&#39;s reign was denounced by the new Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev, and the statue was destroyed just seven years later, on Moscow&#39;s orders in 1962.
Too heavy to be displaced, it was blown to pieces with 800 kg of explosives and 1,650 detonators. Some witnesses claim the party chief was decapitated immediately after the first explosion, his head rolling into the river waters below.
Before the remnants of the monument were stored, they were loaded on a truck and paraded in front of cheering crowds that gathered to celebrate the event in the streets of Prague&#39;s Old Town. Was it just a coincidence or a bad omen that less than a year later, the driver of the truck died in an accident?

Link (http://www.radio.cz/en/article/66095)

Looks like something you&#39;d see in Ancient civilizations, Stalin on a big-ass pyramid.

Marukusu
14th May 2007, 15:28
Originally posted by Hammer+--> (Hammer)Domes have more architectural challenges than skyscrapers.[/b]
Of course - but my point was that I keep getting reminded by nazi architecture when I see gargantuan monuments such as the "Palace of the Soviets".


Hammer
Anyhow, I have to respond with my original question: why would such be a waste of labour and resources if the projects are dedicated educational facilities like the Great Library of Alexandria?
I guess Internet will make most, if not all, books and documents obsolete in the future. Why not build an enormous "People&#39;s Internet Café" instead? :)

Enragé
15th May 2007, 01:45
honestly i dont see how its beautiful, i think its ugly in fact :P for some reason it reminds me of shit Hitler would build. Its all so BIG, and IMPOSING, i like more subtle things :)

And yes, the piramids still stand today, yes, great monuments, but ask me if i give a fuck ^^ The Egyptians would&#39;ve been better off building better houses for themselves, infrastructure, plumbing for fuck sake :P Same goes for "stalinist" architecture, concentrate on making life better for everyone, not on making the biggest chunk of metal and concrete on the world cuz it boosts the great leader&#39;s ego ;)

The Author
15th May 2007, 02:01
Originally posted by Compań[email protected] May 08, 2007 05:00 pm
How can architecture be "Stalinist"??

It&#39;s not. The correct definition is socialist realism, a new form of art, sculpture, and literature in tune with the interests of the working class correlating with the new socialist relations of production.

The anti-communist, petit-bourgeois architects usually are the ones who use the label "Stalinist" when it comes to this art form; though some "communists" like to use this label too...

Here&#39;s an interesting account of socialist realism from the poorly translated Babelfish English version of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia&#39;s article (original Russian page here (http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/008/104/892.htm)):


Socialistandcheskiy realandzm, the artistic method of literature and skill, which is aesthetical expression of the socialist realized concept of peace and man, caused by the epoch of fight for establishment and creation of socialist society. The image of life in light of the ideals of socialism causes the content, and the basic artistic- structural principles of skill s. r. its appearance and development are connected with the propagation of socialist ideas in the different countries, with the development of the revolutionary working class movement.

the initial tendencies of literature and of new type skill relate to the middle even 2-1 to half 19 v.: in a revolutionary way- proletarian literature in Great Britain (poetry of chartist motion, creation 3. h. Jones), in Germany (poetry G. Herwegh, F. Freiligrath, G. Veyerta), in France (literature of the Commune of Paris, "international" 3. Potier). At the end 19 - the beginning of 20 substances intensively is developed proletarian literature in Russia, Poland, Bulgaria and other countries. As artistic method s. r. it is formed in the beginning 20 v. in Russia, first of all in the creation M. Gor&#39;kiy, and also to one extent or another M. M. Kotsyubinskiy, 4. Raynisa, A. Akopyana, I. I. Of evdoshvili other this is caused by the world-wide historical value of revolutionary movement in Russia, where at first 20 v. moved the center of world revolutionary fight. Following Gor&#39;kiy the realistic image of public reality and socialist attitude become the essential features of the creation of the writers of a number of the countries (A, Barbusse, M. Andersen- Nexe, Dzh. Reed). After October Revolution 1917 in different countries of Europe (Bulgaria, Germany, Poland, France, Czechoslovakia and other.) in 1920- X yr. socialist literary flows are formed, and method s. r. already comes out as the objective phenomenon of world literature. An increase in the anti-fascist movement in 1930- X yr. contributed to the expansion of the international front of revolutionary literature and skill. The Soviet literature, which by that time was joined it ideologically and created the salient artistic works, played the uniting role in this process. S. r. became the wide international direction of literature and skill. After 2-1 world war 1939 - 1945, in particular after the formation of world socialist system, the positions s. r. as the advance guard of artistic progress even more were affirmed. Significant role in expansion and enrichment of artistic experience s. r. they played together with the creation of Gor&#39;kiy, in. V. Mayakovskiy, M. A. Sholokhov also theater k. S. Stanislavski1 and in. 3. Meyerkhol&#39;da, the cinematographic discoveries Of s. m. Eisenstein, V. i. Pudovkin, A. p. Dovzhenko, music s. S. Prokofiev, D. d. Shostakovic, Painting B. V. Johansson, A. A. Deyneka, B. i. prorokova, P. D. Korina, R. Guttuso, The sculpture Of s. t. konenkov, V. i. mukhinoy, B. Brecht&#39;s Dramaturgy, In. V. Viwnyovskiy.

term itself "s. r." in the Soviet press for the first time it appeared into 1932 ("literary newspaper", on 23 May). It arose because of the need for contradicting against the rappovskomu (see RAPP) thesis, which mechanically transferred philosophical categories into the field of the literature ("dialectical materialist creative method"), the definition, which corresponds to a basic trend in artistic development of Soviet literature. Decisive in this case the acknowledgement of the role of classical traditions and understanding the new qualities of realism (socialist), caused by both the novelty of vital process, and by socialist ideology of Soviet writers, was. By this time by the writers (Gor&#39;kiy, Mayakovskiy, a. n. Tolstoy, A. A. Fadeyev) and by criticisms (A. v. Lunacharskiy, A. K. voronskiy) was undertaken a number of the attempts to determine the artistic uniqueness of Soviet literature; discussion centered on the realism proletarian, tendentious, monumental, heroic, romantic, social, about the combination of realism with the the romantikoy. Concept s. r. immediately received wide acceptance and it was fixed by the 1st All-Union congress of Soviet writers (1934), at which Gor&#39;kiy spoke about the new method as about the creative program, directed toward the realization of the revolutionary humanistic ideas: "socialist realism asserts existence as act, as the creation, whose purpose - the continuous development of the most valuable individual abilities of man for his victory above the forces of nature, for his health and longevity, for the great happiness to live on the earth" (first All-Union congress of Soviet writers. Stenographical report, 1934, s. 17). Continuing the humanistic traditions of the previous skill, connecting them with the new socialist content, s. r. is the new type of artistic consciousness. Its novelty is connected with that contribution, which introduced Marxism into the materialist philosophy, by the assertion of the role of the revolution based-remaking activity ("theses about Feuerbach" K. Marx), which served as the source of the idea of the image of reality in its revolutionary development. As the basis of method s. r. serves the concept of the in a revolutionary way- efficient, socialist humanism, in which finds their expression of the idea of the harmonious development of man, completeness of the real manifestation of his spiritual and moral possibilities, really human attitude of people toward each other, to nature and society. This humanistic directivity is inherent in all I see socialist artistic culture (to literature, painting, to architecture, to music, to theater , etc.), composes the most important and universal distinctive special feature of skill s. r. for understanding of the principles of socialist skill important significance it has a number of statements of the classicists of Marxism-Leninism. Speaking about the skill of future, F. Engels saw its special features in the "complete confluence of large ideological depth, realized historical content... with Shakespearean liveliness and wealth of action..." (Marx K. and Engels F., works, 2 publ., Vol. 29, s. 492). Engels thought about the realized historical method of artistic thinking underwent development in the party principle of literature and skill, formulated By v. i. Lenin. Lenin actually indicated the basic features of new literature. He noted its conditionality by the objective motion of vital process, the comprehension of its discrepancy, its development in the sharpest conflicts. Finally, he emphasized the commitment to the Party of the estimation of this fight, the fact that the artist conscious and opened becomes to the side of the foremost tendencies of historical development. Authentic creative freedom is not the arbitrariness of personality, but its realized action in accordance with the requirements of real historical development. Than deeper, the more many-sided and the more objective understanding peace, the wider and the more significant than the subjective possibilities of man, framework of his creative freedom. Specifically, this requires the Leninist commitment to the Party of skill - the connection of the depth of objective knowledge with the enthusiasm of the subjective activity, when the subjective tendencies of personality coincide with the objective motion of history, then personality finds prospect, confidence. As a result appears the basis for the revolutionary activity of man, for the comprehensive development of his gifts, and in particular for formation and bloom of diverse creative artistic individualities, which explains the extraordinary latitude of the aesthetical possibilities of socialist skill. S. r. expresses the historical perspective for the development of progressive skill, being based in its motion on entire preceded experience of world literature and skill. Artistic innovating s. r. affected already its early stages. With the works of Gor&#39;kiy "mother", "enemies", by Andersen- Nexe novels "Pell- conqueror" and "ditte, child human", by proletarian poetry of end 19 v. into the literature entered the reflection of the fight of the old and new peace, making of a man - champion and a creator of new society. This determined the nature of new aesthetical ideal, historical optimism - disclosure of the collisions of the present over the long term for public- revolutionary development; Gor&#39;kiy suggested to man confidence in his forces, in his future, it poetized labor and practice of revolutionary activity. From the first steps of Soviet literature its main theme became the "world fire" of revolution. The theme of pre-revolutionary peace, which, however, not was the simple continuation of the traditions of the critical realism, simultaneously occupied important place: the past was received in the new aesthetical illumination, the enthusiasm of image was determined by thought about the fact that to the past there is no recovery; was added the new quality of the historical method of literature s. r. in comparison with the historical method of critical realism ("the matter Of artamonovykh", the "life Of klima Of samgina" of M. of Gor&#39;kiy), underwent development different genres of satire (Mayakovskiy, 4. Hasek), s. r. it did not copy classical genres, but enriched they, which was said, first of all, in the novel. Already in the first large works of Soviet prose appeared people- epic scale in the image revolutions ("Chapaev" D. furmanova, the "iron flow" of A. S. Serafimovich, Fadeyev&#39;s "Crushing defeat"). By other, than in the epics 19 v., appeared the picture of the "fate of people". In novels of 20 - the 30&#39;s were depicted people element in the revolution, and organization of element as the "iron will" of Bolsheviks, and the formation of the socialist association. The image of people mass was combined with the outline of the individual and integral natures, which represent this mass ("the quiet Don" Sholokhov, "walking on the flour" Of a. n. Tolstoy, novels Of f. Gladkov, L. Leonov, K. Fedin, A. malyshkin et al.). The epical style of novel s. r. appeared also in the creation of the writers of other countries (L. Aragon - France, A. zegers - GDR, M. puymanova - Czechoslovakia, Zh. Amado - Brazil).

literature and skill s. r. created the new means of positive hero - champion, builder, leader. Historical optimism s. r. more completely is revealed through it: hero asserts the faith in the victory of Communist ideas, in spite of separate defeats and losses. Term "optimistic tragedy" can be related to many works, which transmit the dramatic situations of the revolutionary fight: the "crushing defeat" of Fadeyev, play Of v. Viwnyovskiy, F. Wolf (GDR), "reporting with the loop on the neck" Of yu. Fucik (Czechoslovakia). The works, which depict the revolutionary heroics also of its carriers, which lead after themselves people masses, are characteristic for s. r.. The first classical means of proletarian leader was the hero of the novel of M. of Gor&#39;kiy "mother" Pavel Vlasov; later - Levinson ("Fadeyev&#39;s crushing defeat"), Korchagin ("as hardened steel" N. A. Ostrovskiy), Davydov ("the raised virgin soil" Sholokhov). The means of Communist- leaders are personified in the books Of zh. Amado, M. puymanokoy, V. bredel (GDR), G. karaslavov (Bulgaria). Positive heroes s. r. - different in nature and scale of activity, on the temperament, to sincere storage. Variety of different types of heroes - inherent feature s. r. From the first years of October Revolution 1917 into the poetry of many peoples enters the means Of v. i. Lenin - realistic and appearing at the same time as symbol of revolution, which absorbs into itself entire romanticism of epoch. Formation s. r. was not separated from the patheticalness of the assertion of new life, elevation in the reproduction of the heroics of revolutionary fight in the years of Civil War, socialist reconstruction of the country, the World War II 1941 - 45. These features widely appeared in the poetry of antifascist resistance in France, Poland, Yugoslavia, etc., in the works, which depict the people fight ("marine eagle" J. Aldridge). To the creation of artists s. r. it is inherent "... the skill to look at present from the future "(Gor&#39;kiy a. M., see Lenin v. i. Gor&#39;kiy A. m. pis&#39;ma. Recollections. Documents, 3 publ., 1969, s. 378), caused by the historical uniqueness of the development of socialist society, in which in the real phenomena of reality clearly appear the sprouts of the visible future.

s. r. is international, they are the historically united motion of skill in the epoch of the socialist reconstruction of peace. This generality is manifested in the variety of national ways, forms of the development of new method. On Amado&#39;s persuasion, divided by many artists, "so that our books - novels and poetry - could serve cause of the Revolution, they must be, first of all, Brazilian, in this consists their ability to be international" (second All-Union congress of Soviet writers. Stenographical report, 1956, s. 88). Fundamental value for the world artistic development has in this connection an experience of Soviet literature and skill. In THE USSR s. r. - the uniting beginning of Soviet literature as a whole with entire difference between the national literatures, their historical traditions and other specific features. The nature of development s. r. and its stages were diverse depending on the specific nation- historical conditions, under which it found support for its artistic uniqueness, acquiring all new forms and stylistic manifestations, as if being born each time anew, but preserving in this case fundamental generality. 3. Mezhelaytis and A. tvardovskiy, Ch. aytmatov and M. stel&#39;makh, R. gamzatov and Yu. smuul - artists, different in the style, but close to each other for the general ideological direction of creation. The making s. r. included the moment of passage on his position of the number of the artists, whose creation stozhilos&#39; in the course of other methods and directions. Thus, in the Soviet literature the 20&#39;s a number of writers, who were formed in the pre-revolutionary epoch, only gradually masters the new artistic tendencies, the socialist nature of new humanism, sometimes in the sharp contradictions (A. n. Tolstoy&#39;s way).

the eminent part in the formation of poetry s. r. in the West played artists, connected with Vol. n. by left avant-guardist flows 10 - the 20&#39;s. 20 v.: L. Aragon, P. Eluard, I. Becher, N. Hikmet, V. nezval, P. nerud, A. Jozsef.

influence s. r. they tested the representative of critical realism 20 v.: K. Czapek, R. rollan, R. Martin dyu Gar, G. Mann and other profound alterations occurred in the creation of the masters of the critical realism of those countries, where conquered people&#39;s democratic system (M. sadovyana, A. tsveyg).

the contribution to development of the theory of new skill made at the end 19 - the beginning of 20 substances prominent aesthetics- marxists (work Of g. Plekhanov. V. vorovskogo, M. ol&#39;minskogo, F. mering, D. blagoyeva, Yu. markhlevskogo). In 20 - 30&#39;s. 20 v. large role played A. Lunacharskiy, whose work had wide international resonance. The prominent theorists of the socialist skill spoke abroad: R. foke, G. bakalov, T. Pavlov, I. Fick, B. vatslavek, K. Conrad, 3. urke, J. yovanovich. Is great the value of the aesthetical judgments of very creators of new skill - Gor&#39;kiy, Becher, Brecht, I. Wolker, Fadeyev.

s. r. it is necessary to understand historically as the changing and at the same time internally united creative process. Aesthetics s. r. covers now entire multinational experience of the skill of the socialist countries, the revolutionary skill of the bourgeois West, cultures of the "third peace", which is developed in the complex opposition of different influences. S. r. constantly enlarges boundaries, finding the value of the leading artistic method of contemporary epoch. This expansion, in view of its causing principles, resists Vol. n. of the theory of "realism without it is coast" R. Garaudy, directed in the essence toward the destruction of the ideological bases of new skill, toward erosion of the boundaries, which separate realism from the modernism. At the same time it makes abortive attempts at the dogmatic determinations of the creative methods s. r. Marxist aesthetical theory, relying on the international experience of socialist skill, it arrived at the conclusions about its widest possibilities. S. r. is considered as the new type of artistic consciousness, not locked within the framework one or even several methods of image, but being the historically open system of the forms of the artistically truthful image of life, which absorbs into itself the foremost tendencies of world artistic process and finding new forms for their expression. Therefore concept s. r. is inseparably connected with the concept of the artistic progress, which reflects forward motion of society to ever more multidimensional and valuable forms of spiritual life.



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Die Neue Zeit
15th May 2007, 05:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 02:28 pm
I guess Internet will make most, if not all, books and documents obsolete in the future. Why not build an enormous "People&#39;s Internet Café" instead? :)
Such "palace" could serve as an Internet cafe, too. ;)

Other similar structures would function as universities, academies, auditoria, etc. though.

El Kablamo, that Stalin statue has no utility whatsoever. I explicitly made clear in my first post that any such gargantuan monuments would have to have some sort of public utility, especially in the form of education.

[It would be a twisty surprise to see similar architecture being employed in the design of hospitals, though&#33; :lol: ]