Why do commies fuck up each other?

[ravengod]

There's always cooperation -key word in communist theory and propaganda.
How come the leading groups of commies almost everywhere in the world fuck up each other like Lenin and Stalin did with the ones surrounding them?
This phobia , power paranoia... power makes one losetheir temper, their judgement...their minds.
I don t know what to think...
I would like some answers!

[redstar2000]

Probably because we feel that the SHAPE of the future is ENORMOUSLY important.

Communists who "fight" other communists are fighting over what the future society will really be like...will it be LESS free or MORE free than what we have now, for example.

It's not enough, not NEARLY enough to just say "fuck capitalism"; there is MUCH more at stake than simply getting rid of the wealthy parasites that rule us now. What kind of new society do we really WANT and what will we REFUSE to accept?

When you think about it, it's WORTH fighting over.

[canikickit]

I would back up what comrade Redstar is saying by adding that it takes great passion to be a leader. When someone is passionate about something they usually will try strongly to make their own impression upon it, so as to gain the most benefit from it (what they percieve to be the most redeeming factors). The problem is, most passionate people are unique, and have a perspective which they have donated a lot of time to.This results in conflicting viewpoints, and neither wants to give in to something so close to their heart.
The key to this is compromise, people must learn to accept others views. A task far more difficult than can be expressed here, especially given the inherent stupidity of some people....:wink:....I've said too much.

[Jaha]

disagreement is a part of life. it exists everywhere. it is why freedom is so valuable and diversity is so wonderful. to say, "why do communists fight" is to ask why ANYONE fights.

cooperation does not mean common mentality, it means common goal.

[Behind enemy lines]

I think Jaha has answered that question well. As long as people hold certain beliefs they are going to argue with others.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from ravengod on 12:37 pm on Nov. 29, 2002
There's always cooperation -key word in communist theory and propaganda.
How come the leading groups of commies almost everywhere in the world fuck up each other like Lenin and Stalin did with the ones surrounding them?
This phobia , power paranoia... power makes one losetheir temper, their judgement...their minds.
I don t know what to think...
I would like some answers!


QUOTE FROM RAVENGOD: “How come the leading groups of commies almost everywhere in the world fuck up each other like Lenin and Stalin did with the ones surrounding them?”

I can think of some Stalin’s examples, but what do you have against Vladimir Ilyich? Do you say that Lenin “fucked up somebody” only for the reason, that he wanted to stay in power. To say the truth, Lenin didn’t gather a lot of power in his hands. It is obvious, that you, ravengod, don’t know anything about Lenin! That was Lenin, who warned the party about Stalin, saying that Stalin gained too much power.
So, ravengod, you better take your words about Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov ( Lenin) back!


QUOTE: “This phobia , power paranoia... power makes one losetheir temper, their judgement...their minds”

That is why, power needs to be divided among different state organs, each organ must have own tasks, goals and competence

[chamo]

stalin and other soviet leaders were looking for their own and different types of perfection. so therefore dissagrements and changes would have been fucking each other up

[red warlock]

Some of them had this idea of eliminating the possible enemies that might try to gain power and create instability in the state...
Stalin was relly paranoid about this process of purification in the Party...Lenin tried to eliminate the real threats to communism...you must admit that there were such threats and in order to create and rule the communist state you must get rid of these maggets once and for all...
hacia la libertad
red warlock