These Cappies Are Hilarious

[Anton]

So I was searhcing the net for news about Mayday in Cuba, and I stumbled across the crap below. It's hilarious, well sort of sickening but hilarious in it's own way...


SIEG HEIL, SOCIALIST MAYDAY

Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Why is America celebrating Mayday - it is a socialist and communist holiday?

Today, May 1st is a traditional, major holiday for socialists around the world; always has been and always will be. From Cuba to Venezuela to illegal aliens and their supporters in Los Angeles, California and elsewhere in the United States, today will be a happy day of celebration. Mayday is a very important day to the American left. Not so much our individual rights.

Our American lefties will choose this day to send the Iraq funding bill to the president for his veto. They will talk about the need for comprehensive immigration reform, instead of enforcing current law and expelling illegal aliens to whence they came. President Bush with his globalist/socialist leanings is equally as guilty as the American Left in this effort. Another amnesty program, whatever it is called, will surely result - of that there is no doubt. And what will result from that will be a future amnesty program 10-15 years hence, in keeping with the weak-kneed American politicians' tradition.

It is a glorious day for Joe Kennedy, Hugo Chavez and their CITGO Oil. They provide artificially low priced or free fuel oil to the poor in the United States, just like they do for people in Venezuela. Chavez is still annexing foreign businesses as part of his socialist campaign to redistribute wealth to the poor.

The American Mainstream News Media (MSM) is Havana, Cuba to tout socialism there and to criticize American "hypocrisy" in our foreign policy. More American lefties should move there if they like it so much. Of course, that would mean that ABC, NBC, CBS and the New York Times would have to move their headquarters' from New York City to Havana, but that might not be so bad for all concerned. And the NYC lefties in the MSM would really feel at home in Havana - they will have so much freedom there to express their views.

That way the internet alternative news media, like the FMNN, can take over and actually start reporting the truth for a change. That would be very nice and a significant improvement.

Perhaps ridding ourselves of the dominating socialists that run our government will finally allow us to down-size our government, balance the budget, eliminate the federal deficit, and end imperialistic wars. And, by-the-way, we can regain our civil liberties and individual rights.
Apparently, Bush has socialist leanings, American media is leftist... :D

[Demogorgon]

One would suspect that that is not quite representative of most capitalists...

[Anton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 02:50 pm
One would suspect that that is not quite representative of most capitalists...
no, I don't think it is,
these are the extremmist "free market" nuts

[Phalanx]

Well, that was a pathetic excuse for an article.

[colonelguppy]

CITGO basically sells at the going market rate, i have no idea what they're talking about.

[inquisitive_socialist]

there is no way that you could call this a rational or intelligent article. the radical right-ness of it jsut blows me away. howfar right indeed, must one be to find bush a "socialist" what do you call people that think this way? crazy?

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 11:30 pm
there is no way that you could call this a rational or intelligent article. the radical right-ness of it jsut blows me away. howfar right indeed, must one be to find bush a "socialist" what do you call people that think this way? crazy?
If I might direct your attention to this-

the Introduction to the arcticle:


SIEG HEIL

[YSR]

I was pretty sure they were gonna say "Jew York City." Kinda bummed out they didn't.

[IcarusAngel]

It's from the Free-Market News Network (http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/94/7430/noel.asp?wid=94&nid=7430). Typical Libertarian racist rhetoric.

I told you libertarians are starting in with the racism.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:36 pm
How far to the right do you have to be to think Bush is a socialist. :blink:
http://www.lp.org/

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 10:14 pm
It's from the Free-Market News Network (http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/94/7430/noel.asp?wid=94&nid=7430). Typical Libertarian racist rhetoric.

I told you libertarians are starting in with the racism.
i don't see anything remotely racist in that article

[Anton]

Originally posted by Question everything+May 01, 2007 06:59 pm--> (Question everything @ May 01, 2007 06:59 pm)
[email protected] 01, 2007 11:30 pm
there is no way that you could call this a rational or intelligent article. the radical right-ness of it jsut blows me away. howfar right indeed, must one be to find bush a "socialist" what do you call people that think this way? crazy?
If I might direct your attention to this-

the Introduction to the arcticle:


SIEG HEIL [/b]
yeah, i guess they're trying to compare communism with nazis....
didn't i say they were hilarious?

[Fightin Da Man]

While some Americans were celebrating on Mayday, I wasn't exactly aware that "America" as a whole was.

Oh well, who needs sense when you have a point to prove?

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by colonelguppy+May 02, 2007 04:43 am--> (colonelguppy @ May 02, 2007 04:43 am)
[email protected] 01, 2007 10:14 pm
It's from the Free-Market News Network (http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/94/7430/noel.asp?wid=94&nid=7430). Typical Libertarian racist rhetoric.

I told you libertarians are starting in with the racism.
i don't see anything remotely racist in that article [/b]
Using the celebration of May Day, a holiday which is about solidarity with American workers who, back in the 1880s, were suffering harsh conditions in their fight for tougher labor laws like the 8-hour work day -- a holiday which has nothing to do with immigration -- to propagate your views on illegal aliens and talking about "expelling them to the lands from which they came" is tantamount to racism in my book.

It seems right-wingers just can't get enough of immigrant bashing -- esp. those from Mexico -- and the "problems" that they cause, when, in reality, America has far worse problems such as the war in Iraq, corporate fraud, crime, and abuse, Health Care, and so on.

Many Libertarians seem to have a problem with immigration as well, and advocate a position of "lining the entire country with private property so no one can come through without the owners permission" -- consolidation of power, in other words, yet Libertarians claim that won't happen in the free-market.

This was true of your "Libertarian" co-horts at PW like Lame-Brain thinker for instance who believed open-immigration might let the "sand niggers" (their words) come in through Mexico or something. Of course, they were for racial profiling as well.

The Libertarian Party is also filled with racist social scientists who propagate debunked views on race, as I've mentioned on this forum, and even advocate repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act and removing anti-discrimination laws -- something even the Republicans can't stomach any more.

This is why that party provides no real alternative to the conservative system.

[redcannon]

whenver i read these articles i always like to imagine some crazy, pudgy, pasty fat white guy in his basement, clad in his suit leaning over a typewriter, a gleam in his eyes, writing this crap . unfortunately, its more like quite a few people (some with power) shouting rascist slogans and propogating their ideas to their children. it makes me laugh and feel sad at the same time :D :(

[IcarusAngel]

^^^You're a little off, he's not too pudgy:

http://72.3.245.5/Freemarketnews/WriterPhotos/pic-noelgibeson.jpg

:lol:

[Alenichev]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 03:46 am
^^^You're a little off, he's not too pudgy:

http://72.3.245.5/Freemarketnews/WriterPhotos/pic-noelgibeson.jpg

:lol:

He reminds me of a James Bond badguy, just don't know which one..

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:46 pm
So I was searhcing the net for news about Mayday in Cuba, and I stumbled across the crap below. It's hilarious, well sort of sickening but hilarious in it's own way...


SIEG HEIL, SOCIALIST MAYDAY

Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Why is America celebrating Mayday - it is a socialist and communist holiday?

Today, May 1st is a traditional, major holiday for socialists around the world; always has been and always will be. From Cuba to Venezuela to illegal aliens and their supporters in Los Angeles, California and elsewhere in the United States, today will be a happy day of celebration. Mayday is a very important day to the American left. Not so much our individual rights.

Our American lefties will choose this day to send the Iraq funding bill to the president for his veto. They will talk about the need for comprehensive immigration reform, instead of enforcing current law and expelling illegal aliens to whence they came. President Bush with his globalist/socialist leanings is equally as guilty as the American Left in this effort. Another amnesty program, whatever it is called, will surely result - of that there is no doubt. And what will result from that will be a future amnesty program 10-15 years hence, in keeping with the weak-kneed American politicians' tradition.

It is a glorious day for Joe Kennedy, Hugo Chavez and their CITGO Oil. They provide artificially low priced or free fuel oil to the poor in the United States, just like they do for people in Venezuela. Chavez is still annexing foreign businesses as part of his socialist campaign to redistribute wealth to the poor.

The American Mainstream News Media (MSM) is Havana, Cuba to tout socialism there and to criticize American "hypocrisy" in our foreign policy. More American lefties should move there if they like it so much. Of course, that would mean that ABC, NBC, CBS and the New York Times would have to move their headquarters' from New York City to Havana, but that might not be so bad for all concerned. And the NYC lefties in the MSM would really feel at home in Havana - they will have so much freedom there to express their views.

That way the internet alternative news media, like the FMNN, can take over and actually start reporting the truth for a change. That would be very nice and a significant improvement.

Perhaps ridding ourselves of the dominating socialists that run our government will finally allow us to down-size our government, balance the budget, eliminate the federal deficit, and end imperialistic wars. And, by-the-way, we can regain our civil liberties and individual rights.
Apparently, Bush has socialist leanings, American media is leftist... :D
Most Americans are so far to the right that they think Kerry's a Communist.
That's the mainstream.

ABC, NBC, CNN, Fox News, all criticize and demonized Cuba and Venezuela. This article is a rant with no sources or value. But look how close it is to the mainstream. Bush and Kerry were not far apart. These guys just consider Bush socialist/leftist. Most Americans see him as "center moderate" by their bearing. It's also full of thinly veiled racism.


Anyway, this article is just another reason why pacifism among us on the left is stupid.
People like those who wrote this deserve to be kicked around like a football.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 03:38 am
whenver i read these articles i always like to imagine some crazy, pudgy, pasty fat white guy in his basement, clad in his suit leaning over a typewriter, a gleam in his eyes, writing this crap . unfortunately, its more like quite a few people (some with power) shouting rascist slogans and propogating their ideas to their children. it makes me laugh and feel sad at the same time :D :(
by the way:

People who teach their kids values with no factual basis, or that are loaded with totally self-serving, survivalist, ultra-individualist, misanthropic ideas like these, deserve to be shot.

[pusher robot]

People like those who wrote this deserve to be kicked around like a football.


People who teach their kids values with no factual basis, or that are loaded with totally self-serving, survivalist, ultra-individualist, misanthropic ideas like these, deserve to be shot.

Once again, scratch a commie and find a browshirt. It would be amusing if it weren't so utterly predictable.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 02:15 pm
Most Americans are so far to the right that they think Kerry's a Communist.
That's the mainstream.
no it isn't

[luxemburg89]

Once again, scratch a commie and find a browshirt. It would be amusing if it weren't so utterly predictable.

Whatever pal.


People who teach their kids values with no factual basis, or that are loaded with totally self-serving, survivalist, ultra-individualist, misanthropic ideas like these, deserve to be shot.

I'd be careful with that. Morals have no factual basis but are still a good thing (to a certain extent of course). Facts are not everything and will not always get you everywhere you need to go - propaganda is our ally. Every opinion, film, letter, book, song, poem can be seen as propaganda - as the author is propagating his views to the reader/audience. Almost everything is propaganda and spreading the right values and even the right propaganda to kids can benefit them. If we are to teach everything with total factual basis then we would all be depressed, I think a certain amount of illusion is necessary sometimes. Unless of course you are only referring to racist ideals - in which case yeah fair enough.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by colonelguppy+May 04, 2007 12:06 pm--> (colonelguppy @ May 04, 2007 12:06 pm)
[email protected] 04, 2007 02:15 pm
Most Americans are so far to the right that they think Kerry's a Communist.
That's the mainstream.
no it isn't [/b]
Probably not. Most are probably liberals who think that they are some sort of radical when they vote for Kerry over Bush.

[Rawthentic]

liberals
They are spineless cowards who think that they can do better with their lobbying Congress. They're fucking capitalists with guilt trips.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Chicano Shamrock+May 04, 2007 07:58 pm--> (Chicano Shamrock @ May 04, 2007 07:58 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 12:06 pm

[email protected] 04, 2007 02:15 pm
Most Americans are so far to the right that they think Kerry's a Communist.
That's the mainstream.
no it isn't
Probably not. Most are probably liberals who think that they are some sort of radical when they vote for Kerry over Bush. [/b]
most are moderate because most people are always moderate

[Rawthentic]

Yeah...within electoral politics.

[colonelguppy]

which comprises most politics... communists forget that they are on the fringe.

[Phalanx]

I think most communists know they're on the fringe, but we also realize we can't work with the electoral system, we have to work outside it.

And you could make the case that Bush is on the fringe of neo-con politics.

The political climate also decides who's on the fringe and who's not. Leftist organizations represented millions of workers in pre-Civil War Spain, and the percentage of American workers unionized before the first and second Red Scares was much higher than it is now.

[IcarusAngel]

When asked by pollsters whether they're "liberal," "conservative" or "moderate," a clear majority do indicate that they're moderate, then conservative, then liberals. But they do not define these terms in ways that would satisfy say the Republican or Libertarian party -- a clear majority of "conservative" say that they're pro-environment and a whopping 50-60% want a reduction in defense spending according to some polls I've seen. Liberal has become a "bad word" in America where most people don't want to associate with it, but there are nonetheless more registered democrats (supposedly liberals) than republicans (supposedly conservatives).

Furthermore, if you break down it down issue by issue, on health care, abortion, social security, economics, the environment, most Americans are "liberal." The conservative support comes from the public's support on the military, the death penalty, religion, and so on, as well as conservative propaganda and a lack of information from the media. That's why conservatives try and make elections about gay marriage rather than something important.

Really, much of this is good news for the leftist though because about 80-90% of Americans want profit reduction on corporate CEOs and about 75% believe corporations have too much power according to some polls I've seen even in conservative publications. So, slowly but surely, people are starting to question the capitalist system.

It seems more and more people also understand that capitalism has run its course. So I think leftists need to work with that to have some influence within the system as well as outside of it. I wish more people were leftist right now, but you have play the hand you were dealt.

As for liberal, it means "progressive thinker" and is synonymous with radical. Sure, Libertarians and capitalists have tried to twist it around to mean something else, and conservative have tried to demonize it, but I think it's still has some use.

For example, I was debating "colonelguppy" here about the fact that while many so-called "classical"-liberals did support private property or free-markets (likely to oppose monarchy and not seeing that private property is just as tyrannical), just as many opposed it and questioned it like Bentham, Mill, Rousseau, and even Smith et al., and were influential to many Marxists and anarchist thinkers.

[flalawyer2b]

IcarusAngel Posted: May 04, 2007 02:47 am
Many Libertarians seem to have a problem with immigration as well, and advocate a position of "lining the entire country with private property so no one can come through without the owners permission" -- consolidation of power, in other words, yet Libertarians claim that won't happen in the free-market.

I am skeptical that a true libertarian with an understanding of economics and how a libertarian society would operate would propose "lining the entire country with private property so no one can come through without the owners permission" to prevent immigration.

I am an anarcho-capitalist (hardcore) libertarian. My experience is also that libertarians overwhelmingly are for open borders/immigration.

That the aforementioned idea wouldn't work for any country should be obvious, especially for us libertarians. First is the obvious cost of buying the land in the necessary locations which, in a free-market would undoubtedly be in great demand. But beyond that, how could a libertarian not think that people/immigrants/customers would simply fly (commerically!) anywhere into the country where they were welcome?



IcarusAngel Posted: May 04, 2007 02:47 am
The Libertarian Party is also filled with racist social scientists who propagate debunked views on race, as I've mentioned on this forum, and even advocate repealing the 1964 Civil Rights Act and removing anti-discrimination laws -- something even the Republicans can't stomach any more.

Just because someone believes people ought to be allowed to discriminate doesn't make them a racist. Libertarians can be in favor of repealing anti-discrimination laws but be anti-discrimination just as one can be against what someone says but believe he should have the right to say it. By the same token, a person may not discriminate (due to business or other practical concerns) but hold incredibly racist views.