Racism in my area

[Tommy-K]

1. A fence next to a footpath in a small town called Woodbridge in Suffolk, England. Someone has taken the liberty to spraypaint 'Paki Fuck' on it.

2. A bench in Ipswich, UK. A bench I used to enjoy going to to sit on, relax and have a cigarette. But now I can't relax on it, because someone has got a permanent marker and written 'No Blacks Allowed'. They have also written 'KKK' all over it and drawn a picture of a penis, with 'KKK' written on it, pissing on a black man.

I'm outraged.

I was thinking of starting a poster campaign, encouraging people to be vigilant against racism in this area.

Unless there's any other options.

[Boriznov]

Spray over the Paki fuck

destroy the bench

[dez]

post newspapers of those KKK scandals
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport...cle.jsp?sid=411 (http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=411)

[An archist]

Spraypaint/sticker/post over them, try to find out who's responsible for these comments and pay them a nice visit them at home, especially when they live with their parents. Violence really isn't necesary, just say they should stop doing that shit in a friendly manner, without threatening them at all, the fact that you visited them at their place is threatening enough. ;)

[dez]

don't think that's a good idea.
Do NOT reveal your identity to your enemy.
It's an advantage.
What if their parents are actually stimulating them to do so (most cases)?

[Spartacist]

Racism is growing in my area as well. A white (fascist) gang was recently formed at a local high school to counter the black gang. Six Blacks were badly beaten by its members recently in a cafeteria mele.

This white fascist bullshit needs to be countered wherever it raises its ugly head.

[dez]

I say both gangs should be countered wherever it raises their ugly heads.

[midnight marauder]

I say both gangs should be countered wherever it raises their ugly heads.

Why?

I say that the first thing you should do, comrade, is find people who are in the "black gang" so-to-speak, and discuss issues of anti-racism and what you can do to combat your local boneheads.

I'm sure you can come up with something.

On the other end of the matter, if your school has any anti-discrimination groups (like a Harmony Council or something similar), any minority affinity clubs, or any other political clubs, see if you can get them involved. See if you can get members of your school to work together to poster, sticker, leaflet, etc., any antira or antifa propoganda that you want.

If not, do it yourself. I'm sure you can come up with something -- one person standing up against a group of fascist thugs by themself won't be able to solve the issue, but if that one person can mobilize the minority and sympathetic student population then the case is different. Especially if you have people on your side who aren't afraid to square up against bigotry when it gets thick.

Organizing isn't as hard as it sounds. White nationalism can be countered. Work with anyone that can help, even if they are gang members, or school officials, or moderates.

By any means necessary!

[ahab]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 30, 2007 07:20 pm
Spraypaint/sticker/post over them, try to find out who's responsible for these comments and pay them a nice visit them at home
I agree with this, except racists and fascists MUST be countered with violence, the only way to stop racists/fascists is by destroying them

[Forward Union]

This sorf of Graffiti is not uncommon in England.

A lot of the time Teenagers will just write 'KKK' or 'Nigger' on something out of nihilistic boredom. It somewhat amuses me, though I do make the effort to erase such crap when I see it. I don't particularly want that kind of mindless vandalism in my community, it's on par with the recruitment posters and corporate advertising telling me im ugly and need more hair products.

Of course it's illegal, so I don't suggest you do it, but it's easy enough to spraypaint your own slogans up.

or, if you're a lazy bastard, you could always phone the police, as the council have to remove racist graffiti within 24 hours by law. but as it is our working class community, we ought to take maintainance of it into our own hands as much as possible.

And order some of these stickers from Fashwatch (http://www.fashwatch.org/) If anyone knows anything the infomation can be passed onto Antifa. And yes, it is a legitimate project, I am connected to it.
http://www.fashwatch.org/images/stickersmall.jpg

best of luck comrade.

[fashbash]

I know Woodbridge very well, and Ipswich is a great little town, as long as you dont like drugs or fun. My grandparents live in Butley if you know it.

Lets be honest, it's not the reddest part of the county, east suffolk. It's a pain in the fucking arse to see these things about, and it winds me right up too. However the whole point of graffitti is that you can have your say. If something like graffitti is illegal then there are no regulations on what can be written- this is the hand that feeds, don't bite it! Bear in mind that some of the things you might spray can be just as offensive, not everyone appreciates a giant hammer and sickle on the side of their house, just as a swastika makes me retch. The real issue is not the graffitti, we should be smart enough to see that the issue of racism is bigger than scrawling on a bench. Rubbing that shit off wont change anything, and neither unfortunately will putting an antifa sticker over it, it just makes people angry and in a perverse way, rightly so. Leave it, ignore it, forget about it. There are bigger questions to answer, less of the 'oh dear how do we prevent people from vandalising shit with fash propaganda' more of the 'oh dear how do we eradicate the intrinsic racism that infects our country like a tumour', and that is far more difficult to solve.

[Spartacist]

racists and fascists MUST be countered with violence, the only way to stop racists/fascists is by destroying them

Right, right, right! If I saw some little wastral writting "nigger" on a wall I would bash his fucking brains out. Then his fucking ass will think twice when the impulse to write that shit comes again.

The only trouble I have with Black gangs is that they are too often organized for money-making purposes. Talking with them to turn them toward revolutionary action is usually pretty hopeless. But as long as they are keeping whites in line by ganging up on them and terrorizing them, racism will be kept at bay.

But, man, if we could harness all the violent energy that Black gangs expell into revolutionary action, the USA would be dead in a week!

[dez]

"The only trouble I have with Black gangs is that they are too often organized for money-making purposes."

That's the whole purpose of having a gang.
Money by any means.
And that's why they can't be trusted.
It might be profitable for the to screw you.

[Tommy-K]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 04:28 pm
I know Woodbridge very well, and Ipswich is a great little town, as long as you dont like drugs or fun. My grandparents live in Butley if you know it.

Lets be honest, it's not the reddest part of the county, east suffolk. It's a pain in the fucking arse to see these things about, and it winds me right up too. However the whole point of graffitti is that you can have your say. If something like graffitti is illegal then there are no regulations on what can be written- this is the hand that feeds, don't bite it! Bear in mind that some of the things you might spray can be just as offensive, not everyone appreciates a giant hammer and sickle on the side of their house, just as a swastika makes me retch. The real issue is not the graffitti, we should be smart enough to see that the issue of racism is bigger than scrawling on a bench. Rubbing that shit off wont change anything, and neither unfortunately will putting an antifa sticker over it, it just makes people angry and in a perverse way, rightly so. Leave it, ignore it, forget about it. There are bigger questions to answer, less of the 'oh dear how do we prevent people from vandalising shit with fash propaganda' more of the 'oh dear how do we eradicate the intrinsic racism that infects our country like a tumour', and that is far more difficult to solve.
i do know butley very well! where abouts do u live?

its not the reddest part of the country at all. its ALL conservative and VERY right wing. quite a few people i know in this area are casually racist or just the ignorant sort that still refer to black people as 'coloured', so maybe its not too much of a surprise that this grafitti has suddenly sprung up.

[Tommy-K]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 03, 2007 02:57 pm
This sorf of Graffiti is not uncommon in England.

A lot of the time Teenagers will just write 'KKK' or 'Nigger' on something out of nihilistic boredom. It somewhat amuses me, though I do make the effort to erase such crap when I see it. I don't particularly want that kind of mindless vandalism in my community, it's on par with the recruitment posters and corporate advertising telling me im ugly and need more hair products.

Of course it's illegal, so I don't suggest you do it, but it's easy enough to spraypaint your own slogans up.

or, if you're a lazy bastard, you could always phone the police, as the council have to remove racist graffiti within 24 hours by law. but as it is our working class community, we ought to take maintainance of it into our own hands as much as possible.

And order some of these stickers from Fashwatch (http://www.fashwatch.org/) If anyone knows anything the infomation can be passed onto Antifa. And yes, it is a legitimate project, I am connected to it.
http://www.fashwatch.org/images/stickersmall.jpg

best of luck comrade.
I have 2 sets of these stickers which i ordered and am planning to put up all around ipswich as soon as my two mates who i made order some have got theirs :P

[midnight marauder]

That's the whole purpose of having a gang.
Money by any means.
And that's why they can't be trusted.
It might be profitable for the to screw you.

According to whom? You?

Let me let you in on a little secret: gang members are people too!

:o !

Gangs have significant social reasons for existing as well as economic ones -- this is partly why white nationalist gangs among youth are prevalent as well. They provide a conduit to take control of their own lives.

Which makes me wonder where you've come up with this postition that people who are in "black gangs" are suddenly stripped of their humanity; that they no longer have any ability to consider anything in life that isn't pecuinary.

This I guarantee: when people are demuhmanized verbally and brutalized physically because of their race, they want to do something about it. Just like you and I, as leftists interested in anti-racism and anti-fascism, and deeper than that, as people.

Gang status doesn't change this.

(i'm also having a bit of trouble understanding where this would factor into this discussion in the least bit...in what way is someone trying to organize against racial prejudice and racist violence going to get "screwed" for "profit", even buying into the absoluetely inane stereotype that everyone in so-called black gangs would value money over justice?)

[dez]

Juice, there are no races.

http://www.bioethics.umn.edu/afrgen/html/Themythofrace.html



One can be indeed dehumanized and brutalized because of their ethnical background, and want to do something about it.
That's where people like Martin Luther King come in.
Just like you and i.



Gang members (either that be black gangs, neo-nazi, white collar schemes in banana republics or chinese triads) have one single goal: Making money fast!

Please don't fall on their propaganda to achieve leftists' support, they are strongly capitalist and will always be. With the violence factor to make it worse.


There is a strong difference between guerilla factions and gangs.
During brazilian dictatorship, many guerilla factions kidnapped people, robbed banks and did all sorts of profitable crimes. Having the establishment of a better society as a goal for the fight, that be, collective interests.

The dictatorship arrested some of these folks, which were sent to prison altoghether with regular criminals.

They made the mistake of sharing guerilla tactics with them, and it was then that organized crime gained strength over here.

One of the main products of that is an organization that promoted terrorist attacks in Sao Paulo last year with the sole intent of getting their leaders to a jail where they could run the drug trafficking system.

They striked on the proletariat, and pretty much on anyone, not on rich capitalists. They didn't give a damn to the collective, they only had in mind their own interests.


Another product of that action, based in Rio, oppresses the people in the slums and the middle class, but quite conveniently now that an international even is going to happen in Rio (the pan) their activities are being slowed down, made less public. There is a certain tradition for the elites to buy their quietdom in times of need.
And that is when it would be profitable for gangs to screw political movements up (specially ones that allow them to participate).
When the elite wants it to be so.

[Red October]

Is the KKK in England? I thought that was strictly limited to America and a little in Canada.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 09, 2007 11:13 pm
Is the KKK in England? I thought that was strictly limited to America and a little in Canada.
I thought they were only in the US...

[midnight marauder]

Gang members (either that be black gangs, neo-nazi, white collar schemes in banana republics or chinese triads) have one single goal: Making money fast!

No, they don't, and I don't know why you think this.

American Gangs are a complex social phenominon. They arise not only from economic exploitation (and the desire to do something about it, to achieve the quality life that every human deserves), but also from other incredibly important factors that must be taken into consideration.

The idea of the "black gang", conceptualized and started by afro-american youth in the late 70s by the children of the civil rights era with lots of anger, recognition of injustice, the strive to determine one's own course in life, and materially, the organisation & means to make it happen, and later used by latinos y latinas, asian americans, and lower & middle class white youth, is distinct from any other type of gang in the world. Understanding the difference between the modern american black gang and the different types of organisations across the world and in criminology is absolutely crucial to holding a meaningful discussion on the issue.

Especially the unique situation of comrade Spartacist, in which I'm going to go out on a limb and guess doesn't provide any opportunity to begin with for a gang to exploit a movement. What we're dealing with is combatting a racism in a high school by working with the people it directly affects, black gang members who are assaulted because of their ethnicity, NOT the FARC! :lol:

Many gangs, including the original set that served as a precussor to the crips formed by Rayomnd "Ice" Washington, started out as groups of youth with the idea of protecting their communities from violence, crime, and police brutality.

With the crack boom, the Regan era, and the emergence of gang culture, this changed into a more economically motivated unit of social organisation, in essence, self determination by any means necessary became a primary motivating factor in the intent and fuctioning of gangs. This means power in a community where the police are play the role of an occupying army, and money in a system where crime is a perfectly rational choice, a response to economic exploitation and the nonexistance of upward mobility.

This absolute lack of self determination has several implications. First and foremost, gangs serve as a social organisation which provide family, friendship, power, structure, and purpose to individuals without these necessities.

(the movie Boyz N the Hood comes to mind, it's a movie that brilliantly and beautifully conveys the impaired social relationships that arise from racism and poverty, among other material issues, that lead youth to join gangs to solve this social lacking)

With this, in combination with the promise of fast money in a world where there is no option for making it, respect, control, and freedom, one can easily understand why millions of lower and middle class minorities in the ghetto come to realize gang life as the best choice available for them.

People in gangs are still people. That they wouldn't respond to racism and injustice is absolutely isane!

They know the brutality of racism perhaps more than anyone!

This type of stereotyping is not only unfounded, not only dehumanizing, but also ultimately harmful to our cause. People like you and me, leftists, and indeed anyone interested in alleviating social injustice should be working on expanding our unity with the opressed people of the world.

Not limiting it!

[midnight marauder]

Is the KKK in England? I thought that was strictly limited to America and a little in Canada.


I thought they were only in the US...

the letters 'KKK' are symbolic of white nationalism and white power. i'm guessing they're being used to convey these ideologies, not to suggest a presence of the Klan in the UK, sorta like how I'm wearing a cuban flag tee shirt as a symbol of leftist solidarity and support even though i'm not from cuba & have never been to cuba.

[dez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 07:23 am
What we're dealing with is combatting a racism in a high school by working with the people it directly affects, black gang members who are assaulted because of their ethnicity, NOT the FARC! :lol:


I don't really think racists assault people in gangs.
They tend to be cowards and pick on people that can't defend themselves.
But yeah, perhaps specifially in the high school action they might be useful.
Even though i'd still refuse to work toghether with most people involved in organized crime.




This absolute lack of self determination has several implications. First and foremost, gangs serve as a social organisation which provide family, friendship, power, structure, and purpose to individuals without these necessities.

PCC (the organization in são paulo) also works like that.
It started as a soccer team that would watch out for each other in prison.
Now they have a set of laws, and one of them defines that any member outside jail that do no provide money to the inmates will be executed.
Hell.
Great organization to be in.




People in gangs are still people.

Nazis are still people. Yet i want them dead too. :angry:




They know the brutality of racism perhaps more than anyone!

I know it pretty well too. But i also know the brutality of gangs.





This type of stereotyping is not only unfounded, not only dehumanizing, but also ultimately harmful to our cause. People like you and me, leftists, and indeed anyone interested in alleviating social injustice should be working on expanding our unity with the opressed people of the world.

Not limiting it!

I'm not following the stereotype you think i am.
My country works with different stereotypes than yours do.
Criminals are are less trustworthy than other people.
There might be a few of them that could be given trust, but until you actually get to know them it is a big mistake to share ANY information.

[socialistpunk]

You could always spray your own anti-nazi slogans on the bench and the wall but if that doesn't work then you could always resort to violence as a last resort of course

[RedAnarchist]

You know these stickers you get from Fashwatch? Do you put your contact details in the form at bottom or do you email them?

[coonbasha]

Originally posted by Tommy-[email protected] 29, 2007 05:05 pm
1. A fence next to a footpath in a small town called Woodbridge in Suffolk, England. Someone has taken the liberty to spraypaint 'Paki Fuck' on it.

2. A bench in Ipswich, UK. A bench I used to enjoy going to to sit on, relax and have a cigarette. But now I can't relax on it, because someone has got a permanent marker and written 'No Blacks Allowed'. They have also written 'KKK' all over it and drawn a picture of a penis, with 'KKK' written on it, pissing on a black man.

I'm outraged.

I was thinking of starting a poster campaign, encouraging people to be vigilant against racism in this area.

Unless there's any other options.
Excellent news :D
People are waking up at last

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by coonbasha+June 18, 2007 01:12 am--> (coonbasha @ June 18, 2007 01:12 am)
Tommy-[email protected] 29, 2007 05:05 pm
1. A fence next to a footpath in a small town called Woodbridge in Suffolk, England. Someone has taken the liberty to spraypaint 'Paki Fuck' on it.

2. A bench in Ipswich, UK. A bench I used to enjoy going to to sit on, relax and have a cigarette. But now I can't relax on it, because someone has got a permanent marker and written 'No Blacks Allowed'. They have also written 'KKK' all over it and drawn a picture of a penis, with 'KKK' written on it, pissing on a black man.

I'm outraged.

I was thinking of starting a poster campaign, encouraging people to be vigilant against racism in this area.

Unless there's any other options.
Excellent news :D
People are waking up at last [/b]
Its quite possible that they were just drawn by brainless morons rather than actual fascists.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+June 17, 2007 07:18 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ June 17, 2007 07:18 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 01:12 am

Tommy-[email protected] 29, 2007 05:05 pm
1. A fence next to a footpath in a small town called Woodbridge in Suffolk, England. Someone has taken the liberty to spraypaint 'Paki Fuck' on it.

2. A bench in Ipswich, UK. A bench I used to enjoy going to to sit on, relax and have a cigarette. But now I can't relax on it, because someone has got a permanent marker and written 'No Blacks Allowed'. They have also written 'KKK' all over it and drawn a picture of a penis, with 'KKK' written on it, pissing on a black man.

I'm outraged.

I was thinking of starting a poster campaign, encouraging people to be vigilant against racism in this area.

Unless there's any other options.
Excellent news :D
People are waking up at last
Its quite possible that they were just drawn by brainless morons rather than actual fascists. [/b]
And the difference between those two groups is...?

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by Fawkes+June 18, 2007 01:20 am--> (Fawkes @ June 18, 2007 01:20 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 07:18 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 01:12 am

Tommy-[email protected] 29, 2007 05:05 pm
1. A fence next to a footpath in a small town called Woodbridge in Suffolk, England. Someone has taken the liberty to spraypaint 'Paki Fuck' on it.

2. A bench in Ipswich, UK. A bench I used to enjoy going to to sit on, relax and have a cigarette. But now I can't relax on it, because someone has got a permanent marker and written 'No Blacks Allowed'. They have also written 'KKK' all over it and drawn a picture of a penis, with 'KKK' written on it, pissing on a black man.

I'm outraged.

I was thinking of starting a poster campaign, encouraging people to be vigilant against racism in this area.

Unless there's any other options.
Excellent news :D
People are waking up at last
Its quite possible that they were just drawn by brainless morons rather than actual fascists.
And the difference between those two groups is...? [/b]
Brainless morons arent suually as political as fascist morons.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 01:10 pm

I say both gangs should be countered wherever it raises their ugly heads.

Why?

I say that the first thing you should do, comrade, is find people who are in the "black gang" so-to-speak, and discuss issues of anti-racism and what you can do to combat your local boneheads.

I'm sure you can come up with something.

On the other end of the matter, if your school has any anti-discrimination groups (like a Harmony Council or something similar), any minority affinity clubs, or any other political clubs, see if you can get them involved. See if you can get members of your school to work together to poster, sticker, leaflet, etc., any antira or antifa propoganda that you want.

If not, do it yourself. I'm sure you can come up with something -- one person standing up against a group of fascist thugs by themself won't be able to solve the issue, but if that one person can mobilize the minority and sympathetic student population then the case is different. Especially if you have people on your side who aren't afraid to square up against bigotry when it gets thick.

Organizing isn't as hard as it sounds. White nationalism can be countered. Work with anyone that can help, even if they are gang members, or school officials, or moderates.

By any means necessary!
I have to say, this is a fucking brilliant idea!