The Meaning of life - Seriously. Quick.

[canikickit]

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I told some Comrades in chat the other night that I would post the meaning of life in the test forums, and as always true to my word, here we are (apart from the fact that this is theory).

You see, I find that when one is discussing various things, such as "the meaning of life" and "where did the stars come from" and "what colour was god's hair", there comes a point after many hours of rigorous debate and discussion and much argument where you have are back at the beginning. You end up contradicting one of the core beliefs which you stated (indirectly or otherwise) to be true.
It goes back to what BornofZapastasGuns said in the "insanity" thread in Chit Chat; "nothing can ever be proven". The reason for this, my dear friends, is we do not possess the language or the neccessary comprehension to decipher some things.
That last statement is also true of this theory, therefore I am going to post it as it is and add to it, together with the debate of my comrades.

(Edited by canikickit at 5:14 am on Nov. 25, 2002)

[Man of the Cause]

The answer to the Question of Life, Universe and Everything is infact 42.

[canikickit]

No, it's a circle.

[suffianr]

I agree with the idea that "we do not possess the language or the neccessary comprehension to decipher some things", despite modern advances in language and the study of semantics, we're still a long way off from understanding why we even speak the way we do.

But saying that "nothing can ever be proven", well, that's just a case of absolutism, isn't it? Absolutely can or absolutely cannot. As opposed to relativsm, which holds that truths are subject to varying conditions,, what corresponds in one case may be entirely bollocks in another...

[Pickaxe]

I agree that there is much we will never understand, and I often wonder why we try to figure out so much. There is so much that we will never know, so I am just fine with letting that "thing" remain uknown except to itself. I think there are lots of things we do know that we shouldn't be alloud. But then there is stuff like quantum mechanics and the universe, which we can try to know, but never will REALLy know. Yes! We are fooled again.

[canikickit]

But saying that "nothing can ever be proven", well, that's just a case of absolutism, isn't it? Absolutely can or absolutely cannot. As opposed to relativsm, which holds that truths are subject to varying conditions,, what corresponds in one case may be entirely bollocks in another...


This is where the contradiction part comes in.

It's like if you make the statement, "all generalisations are bad", that in itself is a generalistation.

Nothing can be ever proven

This is exactly because of relativism.

How can it be shown that what Hitler did was wrong? He was alive for thirty years, he made desicions, drank coffe, had breakfast, etc., etc. and he arrived at certain conclusions. Why does someone have the right to decide that that is wrong. Why base yourjudgement from your own perspective? The answer is because we have no choice. Objectivity is impossible.

"We do not see the world how it is, we see it how we are."

Despite all this, I would still never say that Hitler was right. He was a madman. But when it all comes down to it....who the hell am I? Who is anyone to decide anything, all we can do is get up everyday and do what we do.

You have to take your brain out of your body.

[CopperGoat]

I agree with you canikickit.

Opinions are not right or wrong.

[Marcos79804]

How manny of you here are marxist, communist, socialist....etc??

....(I know the subject is not about this. I will explain why I asked this when we some of you answer.)

[Xvall]

The meaning of life is to establish and preserve a socialistic/communistic society, and abolish capital.

[hawarameen]

i dont think there is A specific meaning to life, i think each person has a meaning to his or her life and its individual.

Che had a meaning to his life but it would not have been the same to G. W. Bush's

Hitler had a meaning to his life but it would have been different to Churchills.

The meaning to my life is to promote the cause of my people but its not the meaning to your life

[canikickit]

That's why the circle is the perfect representation. It is infinite, and also representitive of the number zero. The number zero is the most powerful number. If you divide any number by zero, you get infinity, and no number can be divided into zero. I am captain zero.

[Pete]

I am leftist of some sort.

As one of my sciencetific friends told me this summer: "The true meaning of life is whatever one person comes up with and believes. As soon as some one else believes it the theory becomes wrong." That came from one of the many fire side/working/diggin conversations on life and the origins of the planet and political philosophy I had this summer.

[canikickit]

Yes, that's pretty interesting. Of course it fits perfectly into my on theory which demonstrates my intellectual superiority.
What is particularily interesting is that you seem to agree with his theory, which of course renders it void (by its own definition). This is exactlty what the circle theory states. Everything is bullshit (especially the circle theory).

This is where all the contradictions and the impossibility of absolutes comes into play.

[Pete]

I am caught in my own hypocracy I guess. I believe her theory of when more then one person believes it it is wrong. But that was put to the end of some confusing lecture on 'choas' in science. The rule is independant of its self, it judges over creation and the meaning of life theories, not itself. But I see what you are saying Canikicit

[Alexander Pop]

well i see you all going into circles so i'll give you a straight answer.
Humans as species can descuss only about existance of life in their world (the world that they created for themselves). Somewhere in the universe there are more dominant species as humans that have theyr own worlds created to suite them and sciences based on theyr world. So in order to discuss the begining of the universe one needs to know all sciences of the universe or interact on a project with other dominant species. It 's the same thing as for example: there are 4 people which have divided a cake into 4 different pieces but are out of reach to one another. So in order to know the size and shape of the cake they need to combine all the pieces and then make discussions on it.

I hope I helped you :)

[Umoja]

I forget how my friend explained it, but he said that Infinity divided by zero, is one. It has something to do with the slope of a line being undefined, as in the line is vertical. If the X=0, and Y=all real numbers that means for every one you moves up it goes zero to the left or right. This equals 1/0, one will also notice that steep slopes are higher numbers, and since this type of slope is undefined it can be assumed as an infinite value. Weird huh?

[CommieCanada]

Quote: from Man of the Cause on 4:07 pm on Nov. 25, 2002
The answer to the Question of Life, Universe and Everything is infact 42.

LMAO I love those books. Now We just need to figure out the question to life, the universe and everything...

[canikickit]

I hope I helped you

No, you didn't help at all. You need to help your self. If you truly understood what I was saying, you would realise that all your horseshit* fits perfectly into my theory.
It's pretty much the same as how you cannot use English to talk about or describe the English language.


he said that Infinity divided by zero, is one.

No. How can something be divided into nothing?


* - horseshit, because everything is garbage.

[Alexander Pop]

You can pull out a simple meaning of life from all this shit yall been posting: - to know!
For humans the meaning of life is to know, to feel and to experience. For all other species on earth it's to feel and to experiance for only humans strive to know and that's exactly the way they became the dominant species. for example put a lion and a bare handed man together....who will dominate? The lion of course....than again put a lion and a man with a machine gun together.....who will dominate - man!

[canikickit]

It's very true.

It's all part of the circle. :wink:

[socialist ballistix]

im not sayijng that you all are wrong. But here's my opinion:

There is no meaning of life. It is, like religion, simply a way for us lowly human beings to support oour lifes. It is only a way for us to justify everything. The mind is a box. Things come in the box, churn around a bit, and come out in the form of ideas, words or actions. I think Marx said something to this effect, but im not sure so dont castrate me if im wrong. All the things around you go into the box. and then the box takes these ideas and transforms them. Religion is a way to fill the box. It explains everything, more or less, and then automatically spits out prefabricated ideas, words and actins. So the meaning of life is a way to fill some of the box. Thank you for your time.

[canikickit]

Yes, there is no meaning, but everytihng is a circle.

[BOZG]

The whole dividing anything into zero question falls into the category of metaphysics. We were having a very exciting discussion about it in maths.

[Pickaxe]

I dont believe that the universe is in existance for us, obviously, or even life at all. canikickit, I can say I agree with you first because I am fed up with language and inadequacies, mostly what I talk about comes from feelings inside me which I increasingly have trouble describing, so I warn you that these wrods are simply chosen. I feel that we look for meanings in existance and experience, which not only cannot be reached, but does not exist. I think it is reasonable to say that our possible existance having anything to do with the matter, energy, or galaxies, ( I don't mean in the concrete sense of the matter of our planet allowed us to exist) is not very likely. Ballistix, I can say I agree with you becuase I think we try and fill empty spaces by creating. We wonder what created us, so I belive there is a similar urge to create something. Any bottomless feelings that may be caused by this, I am reassured by the fact that right now, the present is going on everywhere. I think anyone that thinks there is meaning to life, especially in the form of strong determination to succeed in a system, is only wearing an impossble cloak. Damn, this is wicked dangerous. People finding meaning only perpetuates actualities further, because they exist believeing it is the way. I can't wait to see whats goin on in 5,000,000,000,000,000 x10*1,000,000,000,000,years

[sypher]

the meaning of life varies from person to person. Man: alpha will not have the same destiny as man: beta and vise vera. The meaning of life is what ever your heart truly wants to do before you die. If that makes any sense to anyone.

[canikickit]

Everyone misunderstands me. i don't actually mean the meaning of llife, as in the reason people live, or whatever.

I mean that life is a circle. Every debate, every conversation, every discussion, argument, every dialogue, is meaningless. They just go around in circles. You think and consider and reason, and then you realise you are in a different place then you started.

You will always find yourself asking the same fundamental questions which cannot be answered. Questions which are based on opinion, questions which are simply beyond the realm of human comprehension. How can one possibly attempt to understand life before there was an earth, for example? To understand that is to be insane. That is why people such as Einstein, Lee Perry and myself are slightly eccentric (varying degrees of slight).

[socialist ballistix]

what if a debate stayed on one subject forever?would that break the entire circle? Then, would everythoing just go crazy?

[canikickit]

ah...yes! Everything will go crazy eventually anyway. It's better that way.

If the debate stayed on the same topic forever, the people would be very, very boring. But the same topics would keep coming up.

like if you talk about the existence of god, you always must ask the question, "what was before god/the big bang?" The thing is, "before" holds no relevance to humanity. Who gives a shit what happened "before"? It doesn't matter.

The circle is unbreakable. Everything is fundamentally the same subject, anyway.

The place this all originated is from long, long discussions with some of my closer friends. It only happens in a one on one situation, but there comes a stage after varying lenghts of time that you reaslise that you are talking about the same thing you were talking about before.

What I mean is; an hour and a half ago, you were discussing Palestine, then you talked about Northern Ireland, and now you are talking about whether or not you should be insulted by some passing comment someone made earlier in the pub.

Then you realise its all the same bullshit, and your asking questions like, "why does someone claim their opinion to be infallible above an other's?"

It's all bullshit.

[Pete]

I am enlightened!

[canikickit]

Sarcasm is for the weak.

[Santa Clara]

I like your circle thing, and I completely agree, in the end, every conversation is about the same thing really. And language is so arbitrary all we can do is go round in circles, like in existentialist theatre.
You guys all generally seem to be talking about existentialist ideas, which is so cool, and philosophical. I mean, philosophy is generally discussions about questions which are unanswerable, you just have to find a happy medium/answer to the question and that is your own theory I guess.

[canikickit]

Platitudes are for the weak.

No, I'm joking, but say more. I want more people to read this and reply so I can laugh at their ignorance. Ha! Ha! Ha!

[chamo]

well, the answer to anything and everything is.because

(Edited by happyguy at 3:04 pm on Dec. 15, 2002)

[Palmares]

The meaning of life is si efil gninaem eht. Simple. I agree that everything is meaningless, but you should say it out too loud, such a fatalistic or derterministic statement such as that may cause people to be scared. I know CanIkickit is a smart person, but what is with the superiority thing? The only person I'm better than is myself, and sometimes he is better than me!

[canikickit]

What superiority thing? I do think I'm more intelligent than most people I've ever had any type of communication with, but that doesn't mean I'm superior to them.

Besides, I'm only messing around, I wouldn't ever say it without attempting to be tongue-in-cheek. It mightn't work over the internet, but I'm sure I don't care. No, I love you all.

[KickMcCann]

What is the meaning of life?

It is both the question and the answer.

I agree that our communication cannot comprehend it all, only some of it:

"We know so much, yet say so little, because there are
no words that can say what we really know"

I don't think existence has a meaning, it just is. So make what you want of your existence, I think that is the ultimate freedom. The circle makes perfect sense, good post.

[Pete]

AHHH The forum is funny looking.
I refuse to read in these conditions.
Well canikickit, I was not trying to be sarcastic. Actually maybe I was. Forget which post I was being serious in.
Yes. Everything is circular.
Like theme songs to kids movies.
Or maybe that is just me.

[canikickit]

I hope either a moderator or Happyguy edits his poxy post.

My friend was telling me that the biggest number is "quasiplex", which is a "1" with 100 zeros after it. (this is what his teacher told him). He said, what about a "1" with 101 zeros after it. Well, what about a "1" with quasiplex zeros after it?

Basically every theory, and what not, always has some flaw, some fundamental, unanswerable question which will either debunk the theory, or result in speculation and matters of opinion.

Except, of course, this theory because any criticism or questions can easily be incorperated into the reams of meaningless bullshit in my head. It all adheres to the circle.

Of course, I must once again clarify that the title of this thread is flawed. The meaning of life is to live. Or exist, or run or walk, just to be (or not to be). The circle, is not a meaning, more of an answer, or explanation, or excuse. But it's true. Irrefutable.

[man in the red suit]

people aren't wearing enough hats.

[apathy maybe]

Actually, canikickit you entire theory is wrong. After all a circle is only two dimensional, thus can only incorporate 2 things, a sphere only 3, what you need is a shape in a infinite number of dimensions, with only one number to describe it. A circle needs 2, the radius and the dimensions, a sphere 2, the radius and the dimensions, while an infinhere (a word I just coined) needs only one. The radius. As the number of dimensions is automatically any thing you want, (by the definition of infinity). Therefore, everything is an infinhere.

[canikickit]

No, that's quite ridiculous. It doesn't have anything to do with demensions or radii.

"Actually, canikickit you entire theory is wrong."

You appear to lack even the most basic comprehension. It is simply that things (i.e. debate, discussions, arguments, life, whatever) always come back to a fundamental question, to which there is no answer. Tell me why you need a made up word to represent that?

"can only incorporate 2 things"

Hee, hee, hee...if you want to get mathematical, what about the diameter, circumference; semi circles and tringles can be incorperated into a circle, as can squares and what not.

The circle is just a representation. Tell me why the representation needs to be more than two demensional? Also take note of the fact that a circle is infinite, and who said the circle wasn't spinning on an axis?

[apathy maybe]

So ok I take back the bit about the entire theory being wrong. However, I don't to to justefy the rest, and I'll leave the agrueing to everyone else. I don't think I should reply to this thread anymore, might get to believe some of it :)

[canikickit]

No, come off it man, I don't mean to come across as an asshole. I want to hear your opinion, I think you should expand on your initial post so it doesn't remain as meaningless tripe.

Tell me why you need a made up word to represent that?
Tell me why the representation needs to be more than two demensional?

I am interested in what you have to say. I'll even allow you to bring your religion into things :biggrin:.

If you are offended by any of the above post, you should tell me, it's not meant to be offensive.

[apathy maybe]

A circle because it is round may be agrued to represent everything, however, a sphere is also round makes a better model. Both can be represented with obly two numbers, the radius, and the number of diminsions.

Infinity can also be agrued to represent everything, after it is infinity. When I said that infinity was anything one like I meant that if you wanted you could agree that one was infinity just as much as you could 2 or 2000.

As far as I know there are no words in the English or any other language that can represent a shape with more then three (4 if you count time) dimensions.
By combining the only shape that can be represented by only one number (if you ignore the dimensions) with infinity (as the number of dimensions) you get something that is round that also incorperates infinity. Thus satesfieing those, like canikickit, who argue for something round, and those, who agrue for infinity.
I hope that explains a bit, also I must hasten to add that I made this up on the spot after reading the first few posts, and don't actually believe it. I will leave my religion out of it so as not to confuse the issue.

[Resistance1]

in circular time we find comfort. the demographic dictates which restaurants we eat at and where we shop. no progress is made.

linear time passes us quickly towards death.

but perhaps the cicrle is more of a representation of the origin of life, and not how we live it. if you want to judge the cicrcle on a means of all life, it depends on your opinions. some people think circularly, some linearly. the circle is not for everyone, but it's wisdom is always evident.


what i say: the meaning of life is a life of meaning.

[hawarameen]

i think the meaning of life is not so much circular as rectangular