Anti-Minuteman Project Project

[RNK]

It's really pissing me off that the most the Left is capable of, or willing to, do is hold small rallies in obscure towns and cities and wave signs and chant slogans, while armed and dangerous far-right vigilantes are allowed to stroll free as a jaybird.

Why have no leftist counter-militias and armed cadres been sent to watch these people? Afterall, they're allowed to roam around with weapons, claiming they're serving the peace; surely we can do the same. Are there not even 10 people in the entire United States willing to take the initiative? It almost seems like our "movement" is not really a "movement" but some sort of "revolutionary statis". We're being outdone in every sense of the word by the reactionary right; rather than trying to build little islands of socialist paradise amidst this sea of right-wing bullshit, we need to focus on fighting the battles that need to be fought.

Please discuss "aggressive" revolutionary behaviour, and whether it is needed; specifically, who would be willing to form an Anti-Minuteman Project Project, to get armed cadres on the ground to watch over these vigilantes?

[RNK]

Thinking more about this, this is something I'd really like to take part in.

Here's what would be needed:

A group of comrades -- 10-20, with appropriate transportation (preferably in cars/trucks/vans, rather than train/bus, to cut costs)

Weapons -- Legally owned firearms (wouldn't want to give the Cops any obvious excuses for putting us in jail -- better to play by the rules, for this) with carrying permits.

Video Equipment -- For some reason, being video taped really pisses people off.

Camping Equipment -- Tents, sleeping bags, cookware, etc.

The plan would be to deploy for 5-7 days in the area any Minutemen detachments are operating. They should be followed, shadowed, and watched 24 hours a day. We must make our presence unignorable, and the level of our determination obvious.

Anything else?

The first and most obvious goal of this escapade would be simply to apply social pressure against these guys; I'd say this action would be similar to workplace occupations. It'd also be sure to stir up some sort of local or national media frenzy, and, if all goes well, drum up popular support for the left, and raise our troops' moral. And maybe other people will follow suit.

[50cal_words]

Thats an admirable idea, but really all the activities you mentioned seem to me like pretty ineffective was to raise awareness about the left. I would think that that kind of course of action would be made after people are 'converted' and willing to fight. Then these teams would serve as a pre-revolutionnary army. For spreading the word, as it where, there are better ways to do it.

[JRR883]

I think the reason the left can't do something like the Minuteman Project does is that aiding illegal activity, such as undocumented immigration, is illegal and we could get in deep shit. Preventing an illegal activity, like the Minuteman Project does, isn't illegal.

If we were to stalk the fascists, we could get arrested. If we were to stalk the fascists with plenty of firepower, we could get arrested. If we were to aid illegal immigrants, we could get arrested. None of those things would put a positive spin on the left. We should definitely find a better way.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 12:50 am
Thinking more about this, this is something I'd really like to take part in.

Here's what would be needed:

A group of comrades -- 10-20, with appropriate transportation (preferably in cars/trucks/vans, rather than train/bus, to cut costs)

Weapons -- Legally owned firearms (wouldn't want to give the Cops any obvious excuses for putting us in jail -- better to play by the rules, for this) with carrying permits.

Video Equipment -- For some reason, being video taped really pisses people off.

Camping Equipment -- Tents, sleeping bags, cookware, etc.

The plan would be to deploy for 5-7 days in the area any Minutemen detachments are operating. They should be followed, shadowed, and watched 24 hours a day. We must make our presence unignorable, and the level of our determination obvious.

Anything else?

The first and most obvious goal of this escapade would be simply to apply social pressure against these guys; I'd say this action would be similar to workplace occupations. It'd also be sure to stir up some sort of local or national media frenzy, and, if all goes well, drum up popular support for the left, and raise our troops' moral. And maybe other people will follow suit.
:( I'm in canada, no Minutemen here, not even much border protection, at least not much compared with the US

[Councilman Doug]

Not sure if this group is reputable, but they seem to have the right idea,


When the MinuteMen restart their border patrols again in June, people plan to physically interfere with their operations. They will go to wherever the MinuteMen are in their area and stop them from operating. More info will be passed on later of their locations. Until then, people are anonymously and autonomously acting against the MinuteMen using electronic disturbance.

SWARM The MinuteMen (http://www1.autistici.org/swarmtheminutemen/)

[RNK]

God forbid anyone get in "deep shit", eh...

[freakazoid]

I think that this is a good idea, :D In fact I had brought up an idea of starting some kind of militia once :D, http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=59660&hl=



sad.gif I'm in canada, no Minutemen here, not even much border protection, at least not much compared with the US

I believe that some Minutemen also patrol our northern border.

I think that this is something that we should seriously start. And sooner rather than later.

[Sir_No_Sir]

I would, but considering my age I can't really do much (15).

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 12:50 am
Thinking more about this, this is something I'd really like to take part in.

Here's what would be needed:

A group of comrades -- 10-20, with appropriate transportation (preferably in cars/trucks/vans, rather than train/bus, to cut costs)

Weapons -- Legally owned firearms (wouldn't want to give the Cops any obvious excuses for putting us in jail -- better to play by the rules, for this) with carrying permits.

Video Equipment -- For some reason, being video taped really pisses people off.

Camping Equipment -- Tents, sleeping bags, cookware, etc.

The plan would be to deploy for 5-7 days in the area any Minutemen detachments are operating. They should be followed, shadowed, and watched 24 hours a day. We must make our presence unignorable, and the level of our determination obvious.

Anything else?

The first and most obvious goal of this escapade would be simply to apply social pressure against these guys; I'd say this action would be similar to workplace occupations. It'd also be sure to stir up some sort of local or national media frenzy, and, if all goes well, drum up popular support for the left, and raise our troops' moral. And maybe other people will follow suit.
It would be a really good idea. Here's a problem though:

--co-ordinating the list
--finding where the minutemen are.

[freakazoid]

What do you mean by co-ordinating the list? What list?

Also the minutemen patrol the boarder. I wouldn't think that it would be really hard to find them. Also once you do find a group of them it wouldn't be to hard to figure out if they have certain paths that they follow.

[Red Militant]

A funny and effective thing to do that would really piss them off is have a whole lot legal documented immigrants act like they're crossing illegally where the minute men can see them and trick them into making a false alarm to the local police/INS or an illegal citizens arrest, thus making them face law suits, loose credibility, and get they're hopes up only to be let down.

Does anyone of the legality of this method though?

[freakazoid]

lol, that would be great :D I don't think that there would be anything illegal about it. Just have a bunch of "legal" citizens that look mexican, they don't even have to be immigrants. It could just be a hiking trip. That would put such a bad steak on them, especially if they did something real stupid like assault them.

[RNK]

That would be awesome!

[Red Militant]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 08:05 pm
especially if they did something real stupid like assault them.
At wich point they could woop some minute men ass and get off on self defense, so long as the amount of asswooping was justified by the minute mens actions, but we would have to be carefull the police/DA might try to say we planned it to get violent then it could really backfire, other than that though this could work great it would cause a media frenzy.

"Minute Men Illegally Detain Legal Immigrants Felony Lawsuite Pending"
All over The Headlines

[freakazoid]

"Minute Men Illegally Detain Legal Immigrants Felony Lawsuite Pending"
All over The Headlines

excellent
http://op-for.com/mr%20burns.jpg

muahahahaha

[Fawkes]

The biggest thing that people taking part in this would have to worry about would be trespassing on private property. A lot of Minutemen patrols take place on private ranches where they are given permission by the owner to do what they do. Depending on the property laws in the state that this would be in (whether property owners are allowed to shoot trespassers on sight or not as I believe they are in some states), the anti-Minutemen patrol could just patrol on private property during the day and during the night, camp out at places that they are allowed to so as to prevent the property owner from calling the police to arrest everyone while they are sleeping.

[Chicano Shamrock]

The problem with this is like Fawkes says private property. While I am not for private property I am also not for getting shot in the chest when I am on someones private property with a rifle.

Also I don't have a rifle yet and I have no carrying permit. But those are small problems. The big problem is that I live in LA and taking time out of work and driving out there costs me money. It sounds like a great idea but imo impractical.

[Red Militant]

The biggest thing that people taking part in this would have to worry about would be trespassing on private property. A lot of Minutemen patrols take place on private ranches where they are given permission by the owner to do what they do.

I didn't know that good point, do the minute-men ever use public property?


Depending on the property laws in the state that this would be in (whether property owners are allowed to shoot trespassers on sight or not as I believe they are in some states)[QUOTE]


The problem with this is like Fawkes says private property. While I am not for private property I am also not for getting shot in the chest when I am on someones private property with a rifle.[QUOTE]

That would not be good. Also the "Immigrants could just be arrested for trespassing if it was private property, which make this tactic ineffective because its purpose is to lure the minute into making an illegal detention or false alarm to the police/INS.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 17, 2007 03:20 pm
Do the minute men ever use public property.
It's likely that they use national and state parks some of the time.

[Red Militant]

Originally posted by Fawkes+May 17, 2007 08:22 pm--> (Fawkes @ May 17, 2007 08:22 pm)
Red [email protected] 17, 2007 03:20 pm
Do the minute men ever use public property.
It's likely that they use national and state parks some of the time. [/b]
In that that case it could work.

[alexcia]

:lol: I am a little late comrades, however, better late then never...anyway, I was reading all of these blogs and comments made about this "plan" and I am all for it....great news too....The ex-girlfriend of Mr. Jeff S. the head of the sandiego minutemen, is no longer a minutemen member, not only that, she is hell bent and determined to ruin his "good name" lmfao she just wants to ruin his life, so she spews all his info all over the place, meetings, protest locations, ect...
I dont think that it would be to hard to find out where they go, and whos to say, we werent some hikers, that got lost...?

I am down for the cause...I will travel, I am in VA at the moment, we have the MinuteKlan here, but they dont do much, I see em on the street, come back to post up a anti-minuteclown fight, and they are gone within minutes, they"dont want no trouble" so let me know this christie chic is singing like a bird, alot of her "private vids" are up on youtube, of him and some comments he has made regarding certain groups and what not...