Boris Yeltsin Dies

[Red October]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/04/23...tsin/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/04/23/russia.yeltsin/index.html)

I'm not very sad to see him go. What are your thoughts on him and what he did to Russia?

[вор в законе]

Finally. Thatcher is next.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

He was a giant douchebag.

[Goatse]

Everytime someone predicts Thatcher's death, or urges it on, she'll live a day longer out of spite.

[Pirate Utopian]

He was a dumb crook who laid the foundation for Putin's mob-run Russia.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 23, 2007 03:10 pm
He was a dumb crook who laid the foundation for Putin's mob-run Russia.
I agree. Russia is an even bigger shithole than it was under Gorbachev now, thanks to Yeltsin and Putin.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

And Gorbachev himself, who basically started it all.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Boris Yeltsin Dies

THANK YOU SO MUCH BABAY JESUS!!!!

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Yeltsin was a total asshole - he exploited Gorbachev's naiveness and then took power for himself, and in 1993 when the Congress impeached him due to his declaration that he was going to give himself tyrannnical powers, he just blew them all up even when tens of thousands of Moscow residents went to the streets to fight for the Parliment and Democracy, but Yelstin suppressed them all.

Good thing he's dead. But certainly there'll be more of his kind to come

[Psy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 08:53 pm
Yeltsin was a total asshole - he exploited Gorbachev's naiveness and then took power for himself, and in 1993 when the Congress impeached him due to his declaration that he was going to give himself tyrannnical powers, he just blew them all up even when tens of thousands of Moscow residents went to the streets to fight for the Parliment and Democracy, but Yelstin suppressed them all.

Good thing he's dead. But certainly there'll be more of his kind to come
But that is not how the news tells it, even the BBC said Yeltsin brought 'democracy' to Russia during the BBC's coverage of Yeltsin's death

[Cheung Mo]

The only people who ever brought democracy and an internationalist outlook to the workers of Russia and Eastern Europe were Lenin, Trotsky, and the vanguard of which they were the finest members.

[Sankara1983]

He was a self-aggrandizing dictator who oversaw the total privatization of the Russian economy. His policies have had disastrous results.

Also, he was the main figure responsible for a major constitutional crisis, the initial disintegration and corruption of the federal system in Russia, the first war in Chechnya, and persecution of leftists.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Glad to see the architect of the 500 day plan -- the face of the counterrevolution -- go.

[Nathan_Morrison]

Wow todday just keeps getting better and better :). hwoever when i told my mum this she said thats a shame boris yeltsin was a great man, so i told her, oh really? He must be great man if he caused an increase in infant mortality, rising death rates, falling living conditions some of the worst in the world to day, how the hell does that make him a great man?

[Raúl Duke]

But that is not how the news tells it, even the BBC said Yeltsin brought 'democracy' to Russia during the BBC's coverage of Yeltsin's death


Wow todday just keeps getting better and better . hwoever when i told my mum this she said thats a shame boris yeltsin was a great man, so i told her, oh really? He must be great man if he caused an increase in infant mortality, rising death rates, falling living conditions some of the worst in the world to day, how the hell does that make him a great man?

The power of propaganda.

The news sometimes omits and slightly distort things so it goes in its favor.

For example, during the Tianammen Protests; the protestors, demanding more democratic reforms (over capitalists reforms which were underway. Also the workers in the scene were protesting against these reforms because they believe it affected their livelihood.) began singing the Internationale; which, everyone here knows as the socialist anthem.

That did not appear, or even recieve mention, on the Western media over the event.

The West media probably "worship" Yetlsin because he basically let the Union collapse and brought an end to the Cold War. They probably wouldn't mention those other "dark facts" because it doesn't matter to the west, what matter to the cappies was that the Soviet Union collapsed.

[Delirium]

TC's newswire made me laugh. But seriously party in Russia tonight!

[Janus]

He's another one of those transition figures who couldn't really do much about the emerging social and economic problems at the time yet his connections with big business and corruption charges show where his true allegiances lay.

[chimx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 12:39 am
He's another one of those transition figures who couldn't really do much about the emerging social and economic problems at the time yet his connections with big business and corruption charges show where his true allegiances lay.
The problem is that he pushed for what he called, "shock therapy" with the economy. He tried to undo way too much too quickly. It made the economy much worse and was a primary factor in the huge increase in inflation.

It was a shitty move and people suffered for it. But lets face it, the control of the economy was well out of the hands of workers by the 1990s. Crying about how he undermined the USSR and shit seems petty considering what the Soviet state had degenerated into. Personally, I don't really care one way or the other.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Given who put Putin in charge in the first place, and given the bureaucratic infighting (the RUSSIAN bureaucracy alone these days is BIGGER than the old post-Stalin Soviet bureaucracy) <_<

Really, Yeltsin was little more than Russia&#39;s equivalent of pre-persecution Nero. The drunkard did fiddle while Russia burned, but he didn&#39;t look for scapegoats. On the other hand, he had a presidential coup d&#39;etat of his own - in 1993. :rolleyes:

The real sad part in all of this for the ordinary people is that he&#39;s merely one in a rather lengthy line of dufuses: from rural loudmouths to walking corpses to indecisive head-in-the-cloud folks. Oh yeah, and that "rude" "national-socialist," too. :(



[Funny thing is that the indecisive one(s) actually outlived the drunkard :lol: ]

[Janus]

Well, I was focusing more on his relationship with the business interests of his nation. He sold off many state industries soon after the dissolution of the USSR thus gaining the support of the financial oligarchs while turning a blind eye to the plight of the workers who saw their bank savings wiped out.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 08:23 pm
Well, I was focusing more on his relationship with the business interests of his nation. He sold off many state industries soon after the dissolution of the USSR thus gaining the support of the financial oligarchs while turning a blind eye to the plight of the workers who saw their bank savings wiped out.
Yep, he pretty much sold off the country piece by piece.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

the one thing that Boris Yeltsin does prove though, is the load of bullshit bourgeios democracy really is: when there is strong polar opposite (or in appearance at least) opposition like the 1993 Supreme Soviet members and their supporters, you can just crush them. When you&#39;re about to lose an election to one of &#39;em like Zhuyganov in 1996, you can out fund him, you know, get all those wealthy corporate buddies of yours to pitch into your campaign, leave the guy who gets support from the most oppressed in the dust.

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 01:17 am
Given who put Putin in charge in the first place, and given the bureaucratic infighting (the RUSSIAN bureaucracy alone these days is BIGGER than the old post-Stalin Soviet bureaucracy) <_<

Really, Yeltsin was little more than Russia&#39;s equivalent of pre-persecution Nero. The drunkard did fiddle while Russia burned, but he didn&#39;t look for scapegoats. On the other hand, he had a presidential coup d&#39;etat of his own - in 1993. :rolleyes:

The real sad part in all of this for the ordinary people is that he&#39;s merely one in a rather lengthy line of dufuses: from rural loudmouths to walking corpses to indecisive head-in-the-cloud folks. Oh yeah, and that "rude" "national-socialist," too. :(



[Funny thing is that the indecisive one(s) actually outlived the drunkard :lol: ]
Except that the Russian ruling class&#39; love affair with overly corrupt and convoluted bureaucracy had Tsarist rather than Stalinist roots. Lenin, Trotsky, and other more advanced elements within the Bolshevik Party wanted the Soviet Union to progress the obnoxiously opulent Tsarist bureaucracy (a parasitic morass of patronage beneficiaries who were nobles in all but name...A European political institution as sickening as the Church) that they had inherited but were limited in making many of the necessary changes by a combination of deficient material conditions and more pressing issues (like civil war, tension between the proletariat and the peasentry, and famine)...This bureaucratic structure played a central role in the Stalinist police state apparatus (a fact that revolted Lenin when he saw it coming in his dying days) and, along with this new generation of bourgeois robber barons, continues to be one of the most powerful reactionary and oppressive forces in Russian and Eastern European politics today.

[Tekun]

Just another death in the long line of humanity, though this guy was a pretty terrible piece of shit

[EwokUtopia]

If only he could have gone out in a sick old man sumo match with Ariel Sharon...




I&#39;d trade a thousand dead Yeltsins for a half-dead Putin any day though.

[yns_mr]

R.I.P. :D

[Captain Communism]

Im so glad he&#39;s gone, drunken buffoon.

[Vladislav]

That piece of shit. I&#39;m gonna piss on his grave when I go back to Russia next time.

[che_diwas]

Good to see the bastard go to hell. I always remember the view of the "celebration" broadcasted by the western media when USSR collapsed...

But what I also hear from historical analyst was that the main downfall of the USSR was not just because of Yeltsin but due to the dictatorship of soviet buerocrats who went so far away with power that they utilized all the resources of the USSR just for Russia and not for other federations like Ukraine, Georgia and others... I really dont know so much about this so please reply with the truth.

A USSR might not be again possible but I still think that Putin will surely come to his knees one day...

[RedArmyFaction]

Someone tell me where Yeltsin is buried so i can piss on his grave.

A poll said that 70% of Russians think he did more harm than good. His biggest blunders were selling state industries cheaply allowing a handful of Russian business men to become billionaires overnight. This helped create a small elite of capitalists who now have full control of Russia&#39;s wealth.
Yeltsin mishandled the market economy and ended up reducing millions of Russians to poverty. YELTSIN, I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL &#33;

[piet11111]

ah great news only countless more to go.

now if only all the remaining politicians and ex-politicians would drop dead then we would have a reason to party.

[Q]

Boris Yeltsin Dies
Let him burn in hell in all the alcohol he ever consumed, should keep the fire burning for a while.

He&#39;s responsible for completing the capitalistic degeneration in Russia, ofcours I hate him. Not that Stalinist Russia was so perfect, but it&#39;s progressive economic system was still a lot better then the capitalist system right now. The documentary "Death of a nation" portays quite dramatically what 15 years of capitalist restauration has brought Russia. One of the conclusions was that by 2050 Russia would have only half of its current population (and this was by the official statistics from Russian government, it&#39;s probably a lot worse&#33;).

[Die Neue Zeit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 06:24 pm
Someone tell me where Yeltsin is buried so i can piss on his grave.

A poll said that 70% of Russians think he did more harm than good. His biggest blunders were selling state industries cheaply allowing a handful of Russian business men to become billionaires overnight. This helped create a small elite of capitalists who now have full control of Russia&#39;s wealth.
Yeltsin mishandled the market economy and ended up reducing millions of Russians to poverty. YELTSIN, I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL &#33;
In other news:

Lenin Still Regarded Positively in Russia (http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11813)


Many adults in Russia believe a former Soviet leader was good for the country, according to a poll by the Public Opinion Foundation. 58 per cent of respondents think Vladimir Lenin played a positive role in Russian history.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 02:56 pm
now if only all the remaining politicians and ex-politicians would drop dead then we would have a reason to party.
There&#39;s still plenty of time for that.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 01:23 am
Well, I was focusing more on his relationship with the business interests of his nation. He sold off many state industries soon after the dissolution of the USSR thus gaining the support of the financial oligarchs while turning a blind eye to the plight of the workers who saw their bank savings wiped out.
He felt he had to do so, in order to obtain the necessary votes to be elected president of Russia. Unfortunately this move probaly will mean nothing but more economic hardship for years to come. Putin has seized back some of the industries sold by Yelstin, but that&#39;s not nearly enough.

[norwegian commie]

Ill piss on the bastards grave. Traitor.
That drunken bastard even had he&#39;s own vodka brand. Shame, ruined the lives of millions.

[sexyguy]

I was sorry to hear he died in hospital. :(

Can I have his old wallet? ;)

[Pirate Utopian]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 25, 2007 09:38 pm
Ill piss on the bastards grave. Traitor.
That drunken bastard even had he&#39;s own vodka brand. Shame, ruined the lives of millions.
They can cut him open and have enough booze for whole Russia&#33;

[Avtomat_Icaro]

Hmm...while I dont agree with Yeltsin&#39;s political ideology/agenda, Ive got the same vibe as I sort of had with Clinton...they were fucking cool&#33; Yeltsin always drunk on tv, cursing around etc etc etc. Perhaps Zhirinovsky should become president, might be funny.

Oh...this little remark will probably upset people here, remember this: IT WAS JUST A JOKE&#33;&#33;&#33; They are funny figures, not figures I would want to see in power.

[1984]

He was called the "hero of free Russia" on the TV news.

:wacko:

The ugly part about his death is that people actually buy lies like that.

:angry:

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by Hammer+April 25, 2007 01:29 am--> (Hammer @ April 25, 2007 01:29 am)
[email protected] 24, 2007 06:24 pm
Someone tell me where Yeltsin is buried so i can piss on his grave.

A poll said that 70% of Russians think he did more harm than good. His biggest blunders were selling state industries cheaply allowing a handful of Russian business men to become billionaires overnight. This helped create a small elite of capitalists who now have full control of Russia&#39;s wealth.
Yeltsin mishandled the market economy and ended up reducing millions of Russians to poverty. YELTSIN, I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL &#33;
In other news:

Lenin Still Regarded Positively in Russia (http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11813)


Many adults in Russia believe a former Soviet leader was good for the country, according to a poll by the Public Opinion Foundation. 58 per cent of respondents think Vladimir Lenin played a positive role in Russian history. [/b]
A substantial proportion of Russians admire the authoritarian and chauvinistic caricature of Lenin created by the degenerated, reactionary bureaucracy that seized full control of the Bolshevik Party following the former&#39;s death, for that is the sort of "leadership" that the propaganda of Tsarist Imperialism and Stalinism have conditioned then to admire.

Lenin favoured authoritarianism only insofar as that he recognised the fundamental paradox between the means -- a violent proletarian revolution and the transitional dictatorship that follows is an authoritarian act leading to an authoritarian transitional socioeconmic order, especially when faced with 22 foreign armies and countless layers of local class enemies fighting mercilessly against you -- and the end -- the collective ownership of the means of production, the lack of state, and the lack of an authoritarian social hierarchy. It&#39;s a damn shame Lenin&#39;s dream could not be realised because of the power of its bureaucratic class enemies.

[forever socialist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 08:10 pm
Everytime someone predicts Thatcher&#39;s death, or urges it on, she&#39;ll live a day longer out of spite.

Great quote about the facsist *****&#33;&#33; :lol:
Yes, Yeltsin was a drunken fool who did his best to sink Russia. He sold out the Russian economy to a few greedy capitalists while the Russian people languished in poverty.Him and Gobachov regressed Russia to Tsarist oppression and are traitors. Its utter bullshit to hear people say he stood for freedom, when he banned political parties and left his people to suffer. Russia needs another Lennin and the Russian peolpe need someone who will grant them social and political equality. Putin is rapidly denying these needs to his people and I predict Russia still has some very trubulent and blood-filled waters to cross.

P.S sorry about any spelling mistakes, you know what I mean&#33; :)

[Tommy-K]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 08:10 pm
Everytime someone predicts Thatcher&#39;s death, or urges it on, she&#39;ll live a day longer out of spite.
:D

That actually made me laugh out loud (LOL in other words)

I&#39;m glad Yeltsin&#39;s dead. I just wish there was some sort of eternal damnation to punish him for what he&#39;s done. As if it wasn&#39;t bad enough fucking Russia up completely, he then went and gave us Vladimir Putin&#33;

Bastard...

[Fodman]

I was annoyed at the BBC coverage of his death because it only gave brief mention to the economic devastation and displacing of millions of Russians from their homes, and massive inequality that occurred in years of him being in office.

And the article in the UK&#39;s Metro only had comments from right-wingers paying their respects, i.e. Margaret Thatcher praised him for "liberating Russia from the grip of communism"