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Red Militant
22nd April 2007, 20:16
I am trying to find an organization whose general line, platform, positions, stances, and organizational structure I agree with (or mostly agree with) if one even exists. I would say that my beliefs fall somewhere between orthodox Marxism and Left Communism, but there is no 'ism or 'ist which I know of that fully describes my beliefs so shall simply list them and see if anyone can point me in the direction of an organization which is similar, if none exists I am willing to put fourth the effort to organize a new organization.

:o for *1-5 see below

- I am a proponent of Industrial Unions
- I am a proponent of Lenin’s theory of Revolutionary Defeatism*1
- I am a proponent of greater cross factional cooperation unity and respect throughout the Communist movement*2
- I am a proponent of the re-emergence of the International Brigades as an extension of the above mentioned international cross factional co operational organization*3 :ph34r:
- I am a proponent Dual Power tactics*4
- I support struggles for National Liberation
- I am a proponent of the most radical demands of Marxism-Feminism such as the Abolishment of the Private Family and realization of the idea of Free Love
- I oppose the suppression of Left and Anarchist Communists by the Bolsheviks i.e. Anarchism in Ukraine (Makhno) and the Kronstadt Rebellion
- I am not necessarily opposed to concept of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat but I uphold that those of Communist Factions who do not believe in centralized government or government at all be they Left Communist, Anarchist Communist or Primitivist Communist should have the right to set up free and autonomous Territories*5

-I believe that the organizational form must be democratic and bottom up not bureaucratic and top down. That the very nature of the cadre system must be fundamentally different than the vanguard model, that a training program should be created in the organization with the goal of bringing all recruits to the level of cadre, that cadre should rotate duties in the organization, and that cadres will only be paid for organizational work when they’re duties require to much time to hold a job and that such circumstances be kept to a minimum through sharing responsibilities and the rotational system. This will ensure that the organization stays rooted in the working class and does not become bureaucratic while preventing a Division of Labour within the organization and the stagnation of cadres and the organization and will ultimately develop more universal cadres and an organization which cannot be simply decapitated by the powers that be.


Also I do ask does the universalist nature of this all border on impossiblism, apologeticism and or indecisiveness? :wacko:

This is all that comes to mind at the time but if you have any questions just ask.

_ :o __________________________________________________ ___________________
*1 a high level of Proletarian class conciseness in workplace and with soldiers is required to make this tactic effective but when this precursor is present it is a powerful tactic, and it is especially important for proletarians in imperialist nations to use this tactic to prevent counter-revolutionary wars and interventions.

*2 Factions form necessarily because of irreconcilable differences in theory and practice but we must still cooperate on issues we agree with and an international cross factional cooperation organization not controlled by any faction is a good way to do so (so I’m not looking to find or organize an organization which controls this group it must be completely independent of all factional control). I do not deny how impossible such an endeavor might be.

*3 Should an international cross factional cooperation organization be formed it would be most beneficial for it to form International brigades to assist revolutions and defend them.

*4 Dual Power are not a means to an end and probably cannot compete with capitalist industry but when used for providing neglected public services (vis a vis The Black Panther Party) it fills that function and is a tool for creating class consciences and working class support of the organization and when used for producing propaganda and independent media it could be a great way to raise funds for the organization.

*5 This does not mean that capitalists fascists reactionary and counter-revolutionary can setup a free terrorist except for any wasteland we might exile them to, but the those of Communist Factions which do not believe in Democratic Centralism or government what-so-ever must have the right to set up free territories.

Vargha Poralli
22nd April 2007, 20:45
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 23, 2007 12:46 am
I am trying to find an organization whose general line, platform, positions, stances, and organizational structure I agree with (or mostly agree with) if one even exists. I would say that my beliefs fall somewhere between orthodox Marxism and Left Communism, but there is no 'ism or 'ist which I know of that fully describes my beliefs so shall simply list them and see if anyone can point me in the direction of an organization which is similar, if none exists I am willing to put fourth the effort to organize a new organization.

:o for *1-5 see below

- I am a proponent of Industrial Unions
- I am a proponent of Lenin’s theory of Revolutionary Defeatism*1
- I am a proponent of greater cross factional cooperation unity and respect throughout the Communist movement*2
- I am a proponent of the re-emergence of the International Brigades as an extension of the above mentioned international cross factional co operational organization*3 :ph34r:
- I am a proponent Dual Power tactics*4
- I support struggles for National Liberation
- I am a proponent of the most radical demands of Marxism-Feminism such as the Abolishment of the Private Family and realization of the idea of Free Love
- I oppose the suppression of Left and Anarchist Communists by the Bolsheviks i.e. Anarchism in Ukraine (Makhno) and the Kronstadt Rebellion
- I am not necessarily opposed to concept of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat but I uphold that those of Communist Factions who do not believe in centralized government or government at all be they Left Communist, Anarchist Communist or Primitivist Communist should have the right to set up free and autonomous Territories*5

-I believe that the organizational form must be democratic and bottom up not bureaucratic and top down. That the very nature of the cadre system must be fundamentally different than the vanguard model, that a training program should be created in the organization with the goal of bringing all recruits to the level of cadre, that cadre should rotate duties in the organization, and that cadres will only be paid for organizational work when they’re duties require to much time to hold a job and that such circumstances be kept to a minimum through sharing responsibilities and the rotational system. This will ensure that the organization stays rooted in the working class and does not become bureaucratic while preventing a Division of Labour within the organization and the stagnation of cadres and the organization and will ultimately develop more universal cadres and an organization which cannot be simply decapitated by the powers that be.


Also I do ask does the universalist nature of this all border on impossiblism, apologeticism and or indecisiveness? :wacko:

This is all that comes to mind at the time but if you have any questions just ask.

_ :o __________________________________________________ ___________________
*1 a high level of Proletarian class conciseness in workplace and with soldiers is required to make this tactic effective but when this precursor is present it is a powerful tactic, and it is especially important for proletarians in imperialist nations to use this tactic to prevent counter-revolutionary wars and interventions.

*2 Factions form necessarily because of irreconcilable differences in theory and practice but we must still cooperate on issues we agree with and an international cross factional cooperation organization not controlled by any faction is a good way to do so (so I’m not looking to find or organize an organization which controls this group it must be completely independent of all factional control). I do not deny how impossible such an endeavor might be.

*3 Should an international cross factional cooperation organization be formed it would be most beneficial for it to form International brigades to assist revolutions and defend them.

*4 Dual Power are not a means to an end and probably cannot compete with capitalist industry but when used for providing neglected public services (vis a vis The Black Panther Party) it fills that function and is a tool for creating class consciences and working class support of the organization and when used for producing propaganda and independent media it could be a great way to raise funds for the organization.

*5 This does not mean that capitalists fascists reactionary and counter-revolutionary can setup a free terrorist except for any wasteland we might exile them to, but the those of Communist Factions which do not believe in Democratic Centralism or government what-so-ever must have the right to set up free territories.


There is great deal of idealism in your conditions for a correct organisation which i fear could exist only in Midgard. I don't know where you live so I don't know whether that type of organisation exists anywhere on the planet earth.

My best bit of advice is just join up in an organisation which you feel is more close your ideals and start to work with in it. Only when you get active could you learn more about the struggle and gain more experience in those struggles. Make the best out of what is in your hand than ish for what is in the skies.


I consider myself a Trotskyist but there are no Trotskyist parties in my country. So I work more with a Stalinist party have a hell a lot of comrades there who are more interested in fighting the real struggle than *****ing about the ideological purity of the organisation and find that it is very easy to get active in an existing organisation(whether it is anarchist,Maoists or whatever lable available) rather than waiting for an ideolgically pure organisation.

Change youself and make yourself adopt to the existing situation to work with others.

Or if you would insists on those things better start one yourself. :rolleyes: .

But I think I could give one good advice I have received from a Comrade of this Board



I don't have a simple instant answer! And tactics have to be decided on the spot, case-by-case.

I think the official CPs have been reformist for a long time, and in a way it's positive they're becoming more openly reformist. When people start looking for revolutionary perspectives, they'll look elsewhere. In the past, revolutionary-minded workers and young people were more easily misled by fake revolutionaries, and by the bureaucratic regimes that supported them.

I think there are a lot of positive developments in the world; all over Latin America especially workers are fighting back and the capitalists are forced to back up and put on a left or social-democratic mask. Even in India, hasn't this happened some, with some backlash against the BJP?

I think it's necessary to join whatever workers' struggles and mass actions are going on, for a beginning - try to make the connections between the different forms of exploitation and oppression. Point out how each particular struggle, in order to achieve its own goals, has to be linked with others in a larger revolutionary effort. Part of making those connections can be building revolutionary parties; reading, discussing, and circulating revolutionary literature.
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I really can't answer all these things for you. As you act and gain experience, you'll come to your own conclusions. Don't feel like you have to have everything figured out from the start.

RNK
22nd April 2007, 21:09
Agreed. Unwillingness to compromise and adapt is one reason there are so many splintered, fractured groups. Just research and go with the one you find the 'best'.

Janus
24th April 2007, 01:19
Well, your choice of organizations is going to be narrowed down by your location. As far as I can tell, you can probably join the IWW, any left communist group (though some do oppose unions), and certain anarchist groups (though many of them particularly anarcho-communists oppose unions).

More Fire for the People
24th April 2007, 01:29
Your politics seems to intersect a lot with mine but like you I lack a lable. My support of what some call 'Third Worldism' and anti-colonialism puts me at odds with the left communist current [ which is the current I mostly agree with ]. I also reject the way that left communists believe a party cannot be formed in a non-revolutionary period [ a party is necessary in the cultural war of position ] and their insistence on political purism. The News & Letters people are tThe group that I can find the most common ground with. But they're more of theoretical organisation and not an actual political organisation.

Fawkes
24th April 2007, 02:59
I think that for now, you would be best off joining the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) because they are the group that comes to mind when reading your criteria. As for other, non-international groups, I can't really help you too much because I do not know where you live.

http://www.iww.org

BreadBros
24th April 2007, 04:20
I also would favor the IWW. Finding an organization that precisely fits your viewpoint will be hard. The IWW is pretty non-sectarian (Marxists and anarchists together) and participates in actual workers struggle.

Nothing Human Is Alien
24th April 2007, 14:28
The IWW is a union, I think he was looking for a political organization.

OneBrickOneVoice
25th April 2007, 00:05
i don't know what country you are in but really, people should join the organization that is most active in their area and if there are more than one, talk to members and supporters and see who you agree and disagree with the most

Red Militant
3rd May 2007, 18:42
I should clarify what I mean by rotation of duties in the organisation it Does Not mean on a daily, weekly or even mothly basis most practicly it would mean semi-annual, annual or bi-annual basis rotating between feilds like writing and dissemenating propagand, training in a militia, and working in dual power industries(read on the BPP), or whatever other branches in the organisation, and with a training seminar/program for every branch.

I might soon join the IWW but I currently work at a fast food restraunt I know about the great and recent struggles of my fellow comrades to unionize and organize the fast food industry and I stand in solidarity, but if I tried to do so here I fear that I would be fired and have a very hard time getting a new job because the company has a policy of "employment at will"(their will) and I am allready one of the slowest cooks and before I had this job I quit my last job (also fast food)without a two week notice and after that it took me 1 year to find a new job and I have a criminal record though I am not a felon, these all would make it quite hard to get another job if I was fired, but I would like to discuss this further with an IWW organiser who could give me more information on my job security rights because beyond all this risk I would love to organize with my co-workers and its about damn time we organized the fast food industry.


Also are there any Autonamous groups who support Industrial Unions, and National Liberation?

Fawkes
6th May 2007, 03:25
I could probably help you out more if I knew where you lived.

Red Militant
6th May 2007, 18:36
I live in the midwest of usa.

Fawkes
6th May 2007, 18:46
Also are there any Autonamous groups who support Industrial Unions, and National Liberation?
Check out the Workers Solidarity Alliance. (http://www.workersolidarity.org/)