Divinition

[VeratheFastest]

You probably have seen horoscopes in the newspaper at least once in your life. Now, these predicitons are general and subject to interpretation but others are not so obscure. Alot of people do this for a living and don't believe in them; Goebbels used it for propraganda to make the future look good for Hitler, and some Magazines probably do the same for Hollywood stars.

Now I am going to get into a rant on how this day is earmarked for disaster as it is April 20th and especially why it is bad for this year as a demonstration of numerology.

April is the 4th month of the year so we assign it the value of 4.
20 gets spliced like so: 2+0= 2.
This year is 2007, so the numerical value of the year is 8.
We sum everything together: 4+2+8= 1+4= 5.
So that is the numerical value of this day.

Now the total for the day (April 20th) in general is a 6, and Hitler's birthday is today and the Columbine shootings were today, and a few schools by me receieved bomb threats, and I am sure a lot of other bad things have happened.

[RebelDog]

What a load of complete hocus-pocus. Are you upholding this rubbish as real or are you just showing how silly it is?

[Jazzratt]

I really hate all this divination crap. It's all a fucking con that distracts people from, and occasionally even contradicts, real science - and that is an unforgivable transgression.

[RedAnarchist]

Numerology is a pile of crap. I mean, the number of letters in your name of whatever does not have any effect apart from the number of letters you need to write when you write your name.

Horoscopes are even more idiotic. Because I was born in February, I share certain traits with everyone else born in "Aquarius"? I didnt ralise you could lump 1/12th of the world into one group like that&#33; <_<

All the things you mention in the title of this thread are archaic and are of no use to anyone.

[apathy maybe]

OK fella&#39;s, I think that VeratheFastest is posting this here because I suggested that she did. As such, attack the ideas and explain why they are wrong. Don&#39;t just say that they are wrong. Use the same sort of method that is used to explain the non-existence of god.


I&#39;ll start with horoscopes. As mentioned, the idea that the stars (other then the Sub) can influence events here on Earth (in a non-trivial way, obviously they exert some (very minor) gravitational pull) is absurd. However, despite this people still believe in them.

Here is an exercise for all those who do. You are (for example) Leo, and so you check Leo everyday. How &#39;bout instead, you start checking (say) Gemini? Continue doing what you normally do (including taking any actions based on horoscopes if you do that), but reading Gemini instead of Leo. Do that for about a week (or a month). Then switch to another one, I can&#39;t actually think of another so... Then, see if your life is any different. Observe how no matter which horoscope you read, it applies equally to you. (A variation on this theme is to simply read all the horoscopes each day. See how applicable they all are. They are always generalised.)

Another exercise. Get three or more papers, magazines or whatever with horoscopes (making sure that they are from different companies and have different people doing the horoscopes). Compare Leo with Leo in each one. Compare Gemini with Gemini in each one. See how some of them say good things will happen, and some of them bad.

And finally, a quote from a great author. (which according to this document (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Ultra-Complete_Index_to_Dirk_Gently&#39;s_Holistic_Detective _Agency) is in Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul on page 32). And actually I can only find this
“He even consulted his own horoscope in one of the papers, the one written by a disreputable friend of his who toiled unscrupulously under the name of The Great Zaganza. First he glanced at some of the entries under other birth signs, just to get a feel for the kind of mood the GZ was in. Mellow, it seemed, at first sight. ‘Your ability to take the long view will help you through some of the minor difficulties you experience when Mercury...’, ‘Past weeks have strained your patience, but new possibilities will now start to emerge as the sun...’, ‘Beware of allowing others to take advantage of your good nature. Resolve will be especially called for when...’. Boring, humdrum stuff. He read his own horoscope. ‘Today you will meet a three-ton rhinoceros called Desmond.’” online. Not the bit that I want.

[krakatoan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 04:00 am
This year is 2007, so the numerical value of the year is 8.

Isn&#39;t it supposed to be 9? 2+0+0+7=9
(yes I know its crap but still...)

[Jazzratt]

I had a really good day on the 20th.

[VeratheFastest]

Lord, I added wrong.
Eight is good because it represents inifinity, 9 is highly good as well.
This stuff originated with Pythagoras.

[RNK]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 02:56 pm
I had a really good day on the 20th.
The 20th is nothing compared to the 30th. Then we can really rejoice, and sing "La La, the Witch is dead&#33;"

[Janus]

This stuff originated with Pythagoras.
The philosopher who supposedly died cause he refused to cross a bean field based on his beliefs? :lol: Look where all his mysticism and cosmology got him.

[VeratheFastest]

I wish Mrs.Petko was here. Only math teachers can properly explain the importance of A squared to B squared equals C squared.
Being remembered/loved/hated by math students and teachers for thousands of years?

[Janus]

Actually, most historical scholars doubt that Pythagoras came up with the proof for the theorem that is now named after him.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 04:00 am
these predicitons are general and subject to interpretation
In other words "they mean whatever they want you to mean" and if they turn out to be bollocks, it&#39;s because you didn&#39;t interpellate it properly.


but others are not so obscure.

So for every 1000 guesses that turn out to be crap, one will be spot on and this validates your shallow belief that stars dictate sentient decisions.

[wtfm8lol]

Originally posted by patton+April 23, 2007 11:53 am--> (patton @ April 23, 2007 11:53 am)
[email protected] 21, 2007 04:00 am
You probably have seen horoscopes in the newspaper at least once in your life. Now, these predicitons are general and subject to interpretation but others are not so obscure. Alot of people do this for a living and don&#39;t believe in them; Goebbels used it for propraganda to make the future look good for Hitler, and some Magazines probably do the same for Hollywood stars.

Now I am going to get into a rant on how this day is earmarked for disaster as it is April 20th and especially why it is bad for this year as a demonstration of numerology.

April is the 4th month of the year so we assign it the value of 4.
20 gets spliced like so: 2+0= 2.
This year is 2007, so the numerical value of the year is 8.
We sum everything together: 4+2+8= 1+4= 5.
So that is the numerical value of this day.

Now the total for the day (April 20th) in general is a 6, and Hitler&#39;s birthday is today and the Columbine shootings were today, and a few schools by me receieved bomb threats, and I am sure a lot of other bad things have happened.
What a load of steaming poo. [/b]
agreed. this is almost as hard to believe as magical sky wizards.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:03 am
I wish Mrs.Petko was here. Only math teachers can properly explain the importance of A squared to B squared equals C squared.
Being remembered/loved/hated by math students and teachers for thousands of years?
Dude, you can come up with whatever numbers you like for A, B &C it&#39;s still utter bollocks, numerology is shite. For example I, and many others I&#39;m sure, had a fucking fantasitc day on the date you mentioned and there was no massive world catsrophe. YOu, my good woman, are talking out of your arse&#33;

[Zero]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+April 23, 2007 07:29 pm--> (Jazzratt @ April 23, 2007 07:29 pm)
[email protected] 22, 2007 12:03 am
I wish Mrs.Petko was here. Only math teachers can properly explain the importance of A squared to B squared equals C squared.
Being remembered/loved/hated by math students and teachers for thousands of years?
Dude, you can come up with whatever numbers you like for A, B &C it&#39;s still utter bollocks, numerology is shite. For example I, and many others I&#39;m sure, had a fucking fantasitc day on the date you mentioned and there was no massive world catsrophe. YOu, my good woman, are talking out of your arse&#33; [/b]
Jazz, (s)he was referring to the Pythagorean Theorem (A^2 + B^2 = C^2) not Numerology.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Zero+April 23, 2007 07:44 pm--> (Zero @ April 23, 2007 07:44 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 07:29 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 12:03 am
I wish Mrs.Petko was here. Only math teachers can properly explain the importance of A squared to B squared equals C squared.
Being remembered/loved/hated by math students and teachers for thousands of years?
Dude, you can come up with whatever numbers you like for A, B &C it&#39;s still utter bollocks, numerology is shite. For example I, and many others I&#39;m sure, had a fucking fantasitc day on the date you mentioned and there was no massive world catsrophe. YOu, my good woman, are talking out of your arse&#33;
Jazz, (s)he was referring to the Pythagorean Theorem (A^2 + B^2 = C^2) not Numerology. [/b]
My mistake, bollocks to the post I made.

She&#39;s still full of shit by the way.

[Goatse]

Divination is shit.