Walmart sells Nazi shirts

[Americancommi]

Walmart has sunk to a new low after selling tshirts with a symbol worn by Hitler's guards on it 22 weeks after it was ordered removed and 10 after it was ordered taken down by congress.

http://consumerist.com/consumer/3rd-ss-div...k-22-253931.php (http://consumerist.com/consumer/3rd-ss-division-totenkopf/walmart-nazi-tshirt-watch-week-22-253931.php)

[VeratheFastest]

The SS symbols? Is Wal-Mart being naive or greedy or both?

Oh and your link does not work for me.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The link works.. just the anonym.to that we use as a go through seems to be down..

Copy the link and paste in your address bar: http://consumerist.com/consumer/3rd-ss-div...k-22-253931.php (http://consumerist.com/consumer/3rd-ss-division-totenkopf/walmart-nazi-tshirt-watch-week-22-253931.php)

The symbol on the shirts is the Totenkopf.

[Question everything]

I heard about that, for a while I think there was even a Walmart add selling Nazi arm Bands...

But Walmart will sell anything, type Guevara into their Search engine and you'll fund 124 search results...

[dez]

i don't really think they should be stopped selling anything at all
=D

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 05:15 pm
i don't really think they should be stopped selling anything at all
=D
Why do you think that?

if you're opposed to censorship- you have to draw the line somewhere, I mean imagine a Candystore that sold Porno Magazines, or A children's store that sold Drugs...

[dez]

Originally posted by Question everything+April 22, 2007 12:15 am--> (Question everything @ April 22, 2007 12:15 am)
[email protected] 21, 2007 05:15 pm
i don't really think they should be stopped selling anything at all
=D
Why do you think that?

if you're opposed to censorship- you have to draw the line somewhere, I mean imagine a Candystore that sold Porno Magazines, or A children's store that sold Drugs... [/b]
here in brazil, often places near schools that sell newspapers (and porno) sell candy.
Even though people can only legally buy them by the age of 18 , that law is not really enforced.
I see no problem with it.
Teens NEED porno magazines...





But yeah. A line should be drawn.
Why the hell a store that is actually designed to sell anything should be stopped selling anything?

[Red_Pride]

Wal-Mart is owned by, actually it was created by, Sam Walton who was of Jewish decent, was becuase he has passed, so them selling shirts with pro-Nazi symbols does nothing. In essence the Far Right buys the shirts, thus giving their money to a Jewish man, and in the end defeats their own foolish purpose.

[Jude]

Wow, RP! Thats fucking awesome. You actually just changed my mind... Sell on, Wal-Mart, sell on. (Until someone burns you down, capitalist pricks)

[Hiero]

It's wierd how fascist symbols can become fashion. I have seen the Imperial Japenese Navy flag on a t-shirt at cloths shop. To most people who are ignorant on WW2 history they just see a Japenese symbol and or with the Nazi symbol a skull with bones. I would have walked past the t-shirt with the Nazi symbol without giving a second look.

[fashbash]

RD, u totally changed my mind too. I was all for setting fire to ASDA (British supermarket owned by Walmart) but now I realise that you are dead right!

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 02:47 am
Wow, RP! Thats fucking awesome. You actually just changed my mind... Sell on, Wal-Mart, sell on. (Until someone burns you down, capitalist pricks)
I'll get Right on that... now where did I leave my matches :lol:

[Sir_No_Sir]

Have you ever seen how many surveillance cameras they have outside?

It's utterly ridicolous, and that's like the first time I've gone in in well over a year.

I don't even remember the last time i bought something from there :unsure:

[CCCPneubauten]

Interesting so many people here have no idea about the deeper history behind the Totenkopf.

Frederick the Great, anyone? Basic German history, anyone?

Anyway...this is a National Socialist shirt...

http://aryanwear.com/images/VintageTotenkopf.jpg

What you posted was just some poorly made shirt made by Wal Mart. Honestly "Since 1973" some NAZI connections right there. :lol:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp...sch_Husaren.jpg (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/11/250px-Knoe02_von_Reutsch_Husaren.jpg)

What a NAZI, right?

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 04:38 pm
Interesting so many people here have no idea about the deeper history behind the Totenkopf.

Frederick the Great, anyone? Basic German history, anyone?

Anyway...this is a National Socialist shirt...

http://aryanwear.com/images/VintageTotenkopf.jpg

What you posted was just some poorly made shirt made by Wal Mart. Honestly "Since 1973" some NAZI connections right there. :lol:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp...sch_Husaren.jpg (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/11/250px-Knoe02_von_Reutsch_Husaren.jpg)

What a NAZI, right?
So you'd be alright if Wal Mart started selling shirts with swastikas on them, because of the pre-Nazi history of the swastika?

[dez]

Originally posted by Comrade J+April 22, 2007 04:49 pm--> (Comrade J @ April 22, 2007 04:49 pm)
[email protected] 22, 2007 04:38 pm
Interesting so many people here have no idea about the deeper history behind the Totenkopf.

Frederick the Great, anyone? Basic German history, anyone?

Anyway...this is a National Socialist shirt...

http://aryanwear.com/images/VintageTotenkopf.jpg

What you posted was just some poorly made shirt made by Wal Mart. Honestly "Since 1973" some NAZI connections right there. :lol:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp...sch_Husaren.jpg (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/11/250px-Knoe02_von_Reutsch_Husaren.jpg)

What a NAZI, right?
So you'd be alright if Wal Mart started selling shirts with swastikas on them, because of the pre-Nazi history of the swastika? [/b]
I'd be alright anyway.
My problem would be with people wanting to buy it.

[50cal_words]

the nazis, like the swastika, took the totenkopf symbol from cultures and used it in their own ranking code(to almost quote wikipedia), and there are still many shirts with the generic skull and crossbones on it around. Walmart made a stupid decision in making it the exact emblem, but, as i say with the swastica, its not a nazi sign, the nazis just took it....but in this case i guess it is. anyway, i wouldnt wear one, but i wouldnt mind someone else wearing one(provided it didnt have a swastika armband on it).

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 07:57 pm
the nazis, like the swastika, took the totenkopf symbol from cultures and used it in their own ranking code(to almost quote wikipedia), and there are still many shirts with the generic skull and crossbones on it around. Walmart made a stupid decision in making it the exact emblem, but, as i say with the swastica, its not a nazi sign, the nazis just took it....but in this case i guess it is. anyway, i wouldnt wear one, but i wouldnt mind someone else wearing one(provided it didnt have a swastika armband on it).
I'd at least tell the guy it was a nazi symbol. If he was still wearing it, I'd probably try to bweat some sense into him...

[EwokUtopia]

Personally, Im glad Wal-Mart is selling Nazi Memorabilia....


Let all of our enemies gather at one big depressing shithole. Just makes things easier for us.

[Jude]

The Swastika and the Svasti are mirror images, physically, and idealogically.

[Red_Pride]

I believe, the Swastika was first used by the Greeks, I've seen it on numerous Roman helmets, also it was a Chinease or Japenease, always get these confused, symbol for good luck.

[dez]

Personally, Im glad Wal-Mart is selling Nazi Memorabilia....


Let all of our enemies gather at one big depressing shithole. Just makes things easier for us.


Let them wear those fascist symbols and... BULLSEYE!
:lol:




I believe, the Swastika was first used by the Greeks, I've seen it on numerous Roman helmets, also it was a Chinease or Japenease, always get these confused, symbol for good luck.

No. Check out hindu mythology.

[Red_Pride]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 03:41 am
No. Check out hindu mythology.
K, well I got close kinda. Half of the battle is trying, right? :lol:

[EwokUtopia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 01:58 am
I believe, the Swastika was first used by the Greeks, I've seen it on numerous Roman helmets, also it was a Chinease or Japenease, always get these confused, symbol for good luck.
The Swastika, or other varients, is merely a simple and aethsetically pleasing symbol which was used by many different cultures across the world. Indigenous people in the America's used it before White Colonization and Imperialism, so there is no way that was introduced by the Hindu's. It is a universal symbol, and it is extremly catchy to the eye. This is why the Nazi's chose to use such a symbol, because it sticks to your head and could be seen a thousand times. The connections with "Aryan culture" were bullshit from the begining, as this symbol has been used by practically every culture everywhere, including Hebrew cultures.

I refuse to call the Nazi symbol the Swastika, as it rapes the word (though the word has been raped by 50 years of connentations with the Nazi's). The Nazi's didnt call it the swastika, they called it the "hakenkreutz" or hooked cross, and I am far more willing to associate Christianity with Nazism than I am to associate Indian Culture (it wasnt necessarily religiously Hindu) with them.

This is a quilt made by Indigenous people in America (likely the Southwest) in 1925:
http://www.coopersvillefarmmuseum.org/images/RavennaSwastikaQuilt.jpg

Korean:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Buddhistswastika.jpg

An Iranian Necklace:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Swastika_iran.jpg

The Flag of the Indigenous Kuna People of Panama:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/KunaYalaFlag.svg/425px-KunaYalaFlag.svg.png

Heres a Nepalese Communist banner:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Nepal-Communist.jpg

And heres a bunch of different ones from different peoples:
http://www.greatdreams.com/solar/swastika4.gif

[Maximicus]

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[Jude]

Well, i think that that little poster was very informative... I am going to go look into all of this.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 09:35 am
I guess all those peoples must really hate themselves, what being Nazi sympathisers and all.
:lol:

[Idola Mentis]

Nice. Actually, I wouldn't mind at all if someone used the hooked cross - even in the nazi's design - or other nazi imagery in a way that diluted the nazi use of it, or makes their meaning more ambiguous.

Wouldn't it be pretty? Charities under an "iron cross" banner? Gay rights movement with rainbow swasticas? Anarchists with skull and bone flags? The reichseagle carrying an olive branch? The nazis are stealing bits of culture and heritage which belongs to the world in common. It seems fitting to do that right back at them.

[Jude]

Good thought, but I disagree. These symbols have been eternally tainted by millions of deaths, forever bathed in the blood of fruitless human labour.

[EwokUtopia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 01:35 am
Good thought, but I disagree. These symbols have been eternally tainted by millions of deaths, forever bathed in the blood of fruitless human labour.
In the west yes, but in Asian or Indigenous cultures, they do not have the same connentations at all. I think the Nepalese Communist Banner I provided is a clear example of that. One of my old Native Studies prof's also has a poster in his office with a swastika symbol on it, but it is in Anishinabek context, not nazi.

[Boriznov]

That's like that communists wouldn't be allowed using the hammer and sickle because of Stalin's crimes.

[Sickle of Justice]

personally i think thats a cool idea, like black people saying "Nigga", but it'll be along time before it works. the swastika is too damn shocking. i mean, there are still people who think all punks are nazis since sid vicious wore a swastika shirt. (during that era a lot of people used the swastika to simply mean rebellion"

[Question everything]

Originally posted by Sickle of [email protected] 29, 2007 07:46 pm
personally i think thats a cool idea, like black people saying "Nigga", but it'll be along time before it works. the swastika is too damn shocking. i mean, there are still people who think all punks are nazis since sid vicious wore a swastika shirt. (during that era a lot of people used the swastika to simply mean rebellion"
Personally I'd rather not wear a swastika, even if it is to undermine the nazis use of it... it just has too many horrible crimes attached to it... Besides everybody would presume you were a Nazi, which in more leftist areas would result in a severe beating.

[Nicholas Raciti]

I'm not going to bother reading this entire thread:

I think the entire story behind the shirt was some guy in an office doing a Google search for "skull" and that picture popped up, so he put it on shirts without knowing what it was.

Keeping it going the American way, Walmart is going to be stubborn and refuse to take it down, because that would be admitting that they were wrong.

[socialistsoldier51]

first of all FUCK WALL MART!! of course they would try to sell nazi shit because goddam racsist rednecks work there,(plus theyre choice in music sucks to, i went there for a ratm cd, and all they had was christian rock and fuckin rap)