Black Panther Guide

[Hampton]

Ever expanding. Feel free to say what is needed. The point is to answer questions and provide places to get accurate information about the history and legacy of the black Panther Party.

Black Panther Party Resource Guide

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7931/bpp16dixonmagcover300wza5.jpg

Forefathers:

Malcolm X
http://www.brothermalcolm.net/
http://www.cmgworldwide.com/historic/malcolm/home.php
http://www.malcolm-x.org/
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ccbh/mxp/
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/malcolmx.htm
http://www.mxgm.org/site/
Malcolm X: A Search for Truth (http://www.nypl.org/research/sc/malcolmx/intro.html)

Deacons for Defense
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/ddj.htm

Robert F. Williams
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senat...saugust1966.htm (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/4937/robertwilliamsaugust1966.htm)
http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/882/willms.htm
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/rwill.htm
http://panafrican.tv/index.php?cPath=27_74
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A21012
http://www.natcom.org/ROC/one-one/hope.htm


Lowndes County Freedom Organization
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/~lcushing/Yuen...s/BPP_logo.html (http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/~lcushing/Yuen_documents/BPP_logo.html)
http://dp.crlt.indiana.edu/demo/viewer/obj...ate=&eventID=18 (http://dp.crlt.indiana.edu/demo/viewer/objectLeft.pl?annotate=&eventID=18)


Beginning

10 Point
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/worker.../1966/10/15.htm (http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm)

Survival Programs
http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Survival_Pr...l_programs.html (http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Survival_Programs/survival_programs.html)
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/BPP-Servin...-People1998.htm (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/BPP-Serving-The-People1998.htm)
http://www.stanford.edu/group/blackpanthers/programs.shtml
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/Black...s-Led8oct06.htm (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/Black-Panthers-Led8oct06.htm)

Black panther Newspaper
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

Random Sites
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~UG01/barillari/pantherintro.html

Huey
http://www.blackpanther.org/
http://www.africawithin.com/bios/huey_newton.htm
http://digital.lib.msu.edu/collections/index.cfm?TitleID=16
http://www.hippy.com/article-76.html

Fred Hampton
http://www.blackcommentator.com/67/67_hampton.html
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/fredhampton.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhamptonF.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/081.html
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/fhamptonspeech.html

Eldridge Cleaver
http://www.reason.com/news/show/29321.html
http://www.africanaonline.com/black_panther_e_cleaver.htm
http://www.nathanielturner.com/cleaverbio.htm
http://www.nathanielturner.com/cleaverandgates.htm

Assata
http://www.assatashakur.org/
http://www.handsoffassata.org/
http://afrocubaweb.com/assata.htm

General Panther Sites
http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/

The San Francisco Eight
http://www.cdhrsupport.org/

Angola 3
http://www.angola3.org/

Church Committee Reports
The FBI's Covert Action Program to Destroy the Black Panther Party (http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIc.htm)

Books

Huey
War Against the Panthers by Huey P Newton (Free)
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/War-Agains...ewton1jun80.htm (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/War-Against-Panthers-Newton1jun80.htm)

The Huey P. Newton Reader
To Die for the People: The Writings of Huey P. Newton

The Genius of Huey P. Newton
http://digital.lib.msu.edu/collections/index.cfm?TitleID=16

Huey P. Newton: The Radical Theorist- Judson L. Jeffries
Huey: Spirit of the Panther- David Hilliard

Essays From the Minister of Defense
http://digital.lib.msu.edu/collections/ind...D=17&Format=gif (http://digital.lib.msu.edu/collections/index.cfm?action=view&TitleID=17&Format=gif)

Bobby Seale
Seize the Time: The Story of the Black Panther Party and Huey P. Newton by Bobby Seale
http://lemming.mahost.org/library/seize/index.htm
A lonely rage: The autobiography of Bobby Seale
The "Trial" of Bobby Seale

David Hilliard
This Side of Glory by David Hilliard and Lewis Cole

H. Rap Brown
Die Nigger Die

Assata Shakur
Assata- Assata Shakur

Elaine Brown
A Taste of Power: A Black Woman's Story by Elaine Brown

George Jackson
Soledad Brother
Blood in my Eye
The Dragon has Come by Gregory Armstrong

Flores Alexander Forbes
Will You Die with Me?: My Life and the Black Panther Party

Stokely Carmichael
Ready for Revolution: The Life and Struggles of Stokely Carmichael (Kwame Ture)
Black Power : The Politics of Liberation
Stokely Speaks: From Black Power to Pan-Africanism

Mumia
We Want Freedom: A Life in the Black Panther Party
Live from Death Row

Panther 21
The Briar Patch: The Trial of the Panther 21 by Murray Kempton

Early Panthers
A Panther is a Black Cat by Reginald Major

Eldridge Clever
Soul On Ice
Post Prison Writings

Julius Lester
Look Out, Whitey! Black Power's Gon' Get Your Mama

Charles E. Jones
The Black Panther Party [Reconsidered]

What's going on now?

Mumia's case

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5798/5034760632f2554ff7ayo7.jpg

Free Mumia (http://www.freemumia.com/)
Abu Jamal News (http://www.abu-jamal-news.com/)


The San Francisco Eight

http://cdhrsupport.org/images/Free_SF8_faces.jpg

Committee for the Defense of Human Rights (http://cdhrsupport.org/index.html)

CDHR's Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/CDHR)

Joint statment from the SF 8 (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?act=blog&id=3283)

[Jhé]

malcom x had nothing todo witht eh black panthers. he was part of the nation of islam, then he split off from them to start his own group some years later.

[professorchaos]

That's why he's a "forefather" and not a founder.

[YadaRanger]

The black panthers had EVERYTHING to do with Malcolm X....

I must recommend The Murder of Fred Hampton to everyone.

[thejambo1]

thats a really impressive resource list there. good stuff.

[Raised Fist]

Yes. Thank you for all of those resources!

[Vendetta]

Damn, some good stuff.

[couch13]

I have a few good books on this subject.

Huey: Spirit of the Panther by David Hillard
The Black Panther: Intercommunal News Service 1967-1980 by David Hillard
Black Liberation and Socialism by Ahmed Shawki (not about the Panthers, but has sections on Malcolm X and the Black Panthers)

[brigadista]

thanks so much for all these links

[Malakangga]

Wow,that's great site

[ellipsis]

Add a book of essays called the black panther party (reconsidered)

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

Here's a good resource on the Seattle Panthers:

http://depts.washington.edu/civilr/BPP_photos.htm

Here's a bunch of audio + video recordings of the BPP:

http://negroartist.com/black%20panthers/black%20panthers.htm

This is a good interview with Huey about the question of Nationalism and other things:

http://www.hippy.com/php/article.php?sid=76

[Absolut]

You could add Julius Lester, Look Out, Whitey! Black Power's Gon' Get Your Mama, Eldrigde Cleaver, Soul on ice and Eldrigde Cleaver, Post-prison writings and speeches.

[Al Kaline]

whoa, information overload D: but yea I took a look at some of the stuff, its pretty awesome info

[Misanthrope]

BggYSUAIEOk

[Hampton]

Special appearance by Chairman Bob at the end of the video, haha.

[Pawn Power]

Photoe gallery of the Black Panther Party -- mostly from San Francisco

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2009/oct/25/black-panthers-howard-l-bingham?picture=354715940

[rebelmouse]

great links. I think it is great that they stood up to protect their community.
but I would use this chance to ask what is with new younger black panthers? I think older don't like that someone use their name, and they say that older propagated love for all people while younger propagate hate for white people (http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm). but younger took their name in any case.

[x359594]

A very useful biblio comrade. Thank you.

[RED DAVE]

One of the problems with dealing with the Panthers is that in reading documents, etc., you may get an exaggerated view of them. Sure they were there, and vitally important in terms of the issues they raised, but in most US cities they failed to put down roots.

This failure is a result of many factors. One, everyone knows about: state repression. But another is that their basic tactic, community organizing, is not a way to build a revolutionary organization. That's why the League of Revolutionary Black Workers, which is much less known that the Pathers, had much more staying power. They attempted to build caucuses in the auto plants and had success with groups such DRUM (Dodge Revolutionary Movement), which played roles in conflicts within the UFT and in struggles in the plants.

My own experience with the Panthers was in New York, and, specifically, in Brooklyn. Despite desperate black poverty and a very politicized community, the Pathers never really got off the ground. As an example, they were never able to form an allicance with the Welfare Clients organization which was very strong in Brooklyn. Their main opponents in the community were the "poverty pimps" who used an aggressive nationalism as a front for their being coopted by the Establishment.

I was on the Executive Committee of Labor for Cleaver, a part of the Peace and Freedom Party. I met Bobby Seale, David Hillyard and, of course, Cleaver himself. All of them were impressive in their passion, knowledge and rhetorical skills. None of these, unfortunately, could substitute for a base.

RED DAVE

[thejambo1]

good post and its interesting to try and understand why they never took of in other cities and especially as you say new york,it must have seemed as if it would have been right for them to make a mark there.

[Proletarian]

out of curiosity, how do marxists feel about black nationalism?

[CommunistWaffle]

Like the black rights group?

[RED DAVE]

out of curiosity, how do marxists feel about black nationalism?This is a complex question, and various "marxist" groups have difference answers.

My own answer, based on my study of history and my experiences during the 60s and 70s, is, very briefly, that black nationalism, is progressive vis-a-vis the national bourgeoisie but not progressive within the black community.

For example, while Malcom's criticisms of American society while he was a member of the Black Muslims (the Nation of Islam), were definitely cogent, the actions of the Muslims as a group were not progressive. Malcom, as a significant force, only began to emerge during the sadly brief time between his emergence from the Muslims and his murder.

The Panthers represent a somewhat different case. While the Muslims were based in the petit-bourgeoisie, the Panthers were based partially in the working class and partially in the lumpen-proletariat. As they were never able to go beyond their lumpen base (and ideology), they were not able to become a significant organizational presence in the black working class.

RED DAVE

[ellipsis]

I support black nationalism, by which I mean the promotion of the well being of the black community.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

From LibCom



The Black Panther Party for Self Defense
http://libcom.org/files/images/history/FreeHuey[1].jpeg

A short history of and comment on the revolutionary black American socialist organisation, the BPP, which at its height reached around 5,000 members, before disintegrating due to a campaign of state terror and internal problems.

(For a more critical look at the Panthers and their times see James Carr, The Black Panthers, & All That).

In October 1966, Huey Newton and Bobby Seale organised the Black Panther Party in Oakland, USA, in response to police violence, and inspired by Malcolm X's call to "freedom, by any means necessary." Newton and Seale were disillusioned with middle class nationalism and decided to try and respond to the lessons they'd learned from Malcolm X's formation of the Organisation of Afro-American Unity. Huey Newton wrote that Malcolm "knew what the street brothers were like, and he knew what had to be done to reach them."
In determining the aims and objectives of the new party they knocked on people’s doors in the Oakland ghettos and asked them what they wanted. “We’re going to draw up a basic platform,” Newton explained, “that the mothers who struggled hard to raise us, that the fathers who worked hard to feed us, that the young brothers in school who come out of school semi-illiterate, saying and reading broken words, and all of these can read...”

The Panthers’ 10 Point Platform and Program was straightforward, and, for poor blacks in the US ghettos, inspirational:

1. We want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our black community.
2. We want full employment for our people
3. We want an end to the robbery by the white man of our black community.
4. We want decent housing, fit for the shelter of human beings.
5. We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present day society.
6. We want all black men to be exempt from military service.
7. We want an immediate end to police brutality and murder of black people.
8. We want freedom for all black men held in Federal, State, County and City prisons and jails.
9. We want all black people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group, or people from the black communities, as defined by the constitution of the United States.
10. We want bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace. And as our major political objective, a United Nations-supervised plebiscite to be held throughout the black colony in which ant black colonial subjects will be allowed to participate, for the purpose of determining the will of black people as to their national destiny.

The Panther program was about black control of the black community of every aspect of its politics and economy. The Panthers in the 1960s tried to pull off what Lorenzo Komboa Ervin, in ‘Anarchism and the Black Revolution’ described as turning “our communities into dual power communes, from which we can wage a protracted struggle with capitalism and it’s agents.” The Panthers were hit with all the force of the US state machine. Their Leninist political baggage meant that when their leadership were targeted, they did not have structures in place to manoeuvre. Their aims though, should be the aims of all of us, in our own communities. Their means of struggle should be ones we should learn from and adopt.

Before his death, Malcolm X stated: “the time has come to fight back in self-defence whenever and wherever the black man is being unjustly and unlawfully attacked.” It was the Black Panther Party’s emphasis on self-defence, leading to armed confrontations with the state that made it headline news and an inspiration to a generation of militants. One US sociologist observed: “The cop’s trigger finger is the gavel of justice in blacktown.” The BPP met this head on with armed patrols. Whenever black people were stripped by the police, armed Panthers would be on the scene, making sure their constitutional rights were not violated. Why the BPP counts, though, is not just for it’s stand against police brutality. A Wall Street Journal article noted in 1970: “...a sizeable number of blacks support the Panthers because they admire other, less well publicised activities of the Party such as it’s free-breakfast programme for ghetto youngsters, it’s free medical care program and it’s war on narcotics use among black youth.” “The news media never say how strong the Panthers are against narcotics,” says Mr. Conner of the Yonkers anti poverty centre. “You take the kids, in Harlem, they sort of envy hustlers - guys who take numbers, push dope. But the Panthers are telling kids from grade school level: Don’t mess with dope. It works.” The labour historian Philip S. Foner describes the Panthers as “deeply involve din a wide variety of other work. The party was protesting rent eviction, informing welfare recipients of their legal rights, teaching classes in black history, and demanding and winning school traffic lights. The installation of a street light in South and Market Streets is an important event in the Party’s early history. Several black children had been killed coming home from school, and the community was enraged at the indifference of the authorities. Newton and Seale told Oakland’s power structure that if the light was not installed, the party would come down with guns and block traffic so the children could cross in safety. The traffic light was installed.”

Crucially, the BPP was part of the community it claimed to serve. Newton and Seale were working class black men who felt at ease with street kids. They didn’t share either the middle class assumptions of the nationalists, or the liberalism of the white left. When the California Assembly at Sacramento moved to pass a gun control bill designed as an attack on the BPP, 30-armed Panthers went to the Capitol building to protest. Bobby Seale said afterwards: I’m going to show you how smart brother Huey was when he planned Sacramento. He said “Now the papers are going to call us thugs and hoodlums... But the brothers on the block, who the man’s calling thugs and hoodlums for 100 years, they’re going to say: “Them’s some out of sight thugs and hoodlums up there! Who is these thugs and hoodlums?” Huey was smart enough to know that the black people were going to say: “Well, they’ve been calling us niggers, thugs and hoodlums for 400 years, that ain’t gon’ hurt me. I’m going to check out what these brothers is doin’.””

Community organisation and community control were the basis of everything the BPP tried to do. In 1969 alone, 28 of its members were killed by the police. The state’s strategy was to push the BPP into an armed confrontation it could not win. Members were jailed, harassed, set up and gunned down. FBI agents, under the COINTELPRO program, were sent in to destabilise the Panthers. In consequence, much of the BPP’s energies were sucked into defence campaigns, and chapters across the US were set against each other. Yet the Panthers’ community-based work remain models of how revolutionary organisations should work with non-revolutionary groups to meet the needs of the communities they are part of.

The breakfast for children programme involved the BPP working with community volunteers to distribute food to the black community. “Hunger is one of the means of oppression and it must be halted.” The BPP set up liberation schools, teaching everything from basic literacy to black history. “We recognise that education is only relevant when it teaches the art of survival.”

An article in the ‘Daily World’ (16/5/70) reported on the BPP’s establishment of a People’s Medical Centre in Chicago, regularly treating 100 people every week:

“We have 10 doctors, 12 nurses and two registered technicians who officially serve in the free Medical Centre. We also have a large number of interns who come and help regularly, from medical schools around the city. Part of the centre’s work includes training community people to perform services wherever possible. Foe example, we are training some of the young people to do laboratory analysis and blood tests, and teams of people from the community are organised to canvas the neighbourhood and bring the Centre to the people. Most of the people in Lawndale are so poor they never go to a doctor unless they are practically dying. Our teams take their blood pressure, medical histories and in general determine if there are people suffering from illness. If illness is discovered, whether chronic or just simple ailments, the person is urged to visit the centre, where an examination, treatment and prescription are all free.”

The BPP cracked under the force of jailings, assassinations and infiltration. Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, Eldridge Cleaver and David Hilliard were all jailed at various points and played off against each other by the state, so as to cripple their ability to lead the party. Their Leninism was a fetter on their chance of survival. As Lorenzo Komboa Ervin had it: “because of the over-importance of central leadership, the national organisation was ultimately liquidated entirely... Of course, many errors were made because the BPP was a young organisation and was under intense attack by the state. I do not want to imply that these internal errors were the primary contradiction which destroyed the BPP, the police attacks did that, but if it were better and more democratically organised, it may have weathered the storm.”

The BPP were unlike most political organisations of their time, and no organisation has been as focused, nor embraced any of the best aspects of the Panthers’ method with any consistency. The Panthers’ starting point was: “What does our community need?” They were drawn from the class they claimed to represent, and saw themselves (for all Huey Newton’s proclamations of the BPP as “the vanguard”) as a means to facilitate the needs of their communities, by revolutionary means- by contesting the state’s right to control our food, clothing, shelter or justice. In their demise the BPP were also an illustration of how not to operate politically within a working class community. At the end, Newton, isolated, with the BPP split and feuding decided to push to make US blacks a political force in the way that Italians, Irish, etc. were. David Hilliard recalls coming out of jail to find BPP members being told to read “The Godfather” as a guide to strategy. At the end, Newton saw “community politics” as being about organising the black community to compete effectively against other ethnic groups for resources. Given the violence the BPP was subjected to, none of this should surprise us.

The BPP succeeded because they saw that it was necessary to have something practical to offer to those communities they worked in. They succeeded because they put working class communities actual needs above theory. At the time, some of the left denounced this as armed reformism. As a lesson for today, I’d rather see an anarchist group responsible for stopping one eviction or feeding one child than dribbling on about hunter-gatherer societies, primitivism, etc. It’s time to stop the bullshit. The BPP succeeded; they were judged on what they did by the audience we say matter to us. How many of us now would be judged the same way?

Today, in the US, the Black Autonomy group has raised the call for building a “Socio-political infrastructure to intervene in every area of black life: food and housing co-operatives, Black Liberation schools, people’s banks and community mutual aid funds, medical clinics and hospitals... Building consciousness and revolutionary culture means taking on realistic day-to-day issues, like hunger, the need for clothing and housing, joblessness, transportation and other issues. It means that the commune must fill in the vacuum where people are not being properly fed, clothed, provided with adequate medical treatment, or otherwise deprived of basic needs.” Black Autonomy’s call for a Survival Programme based around community control of food, education, health, housing is as relevant to the estates of the UK as to the ghettos of the US.

We can learn more from the history of the BPP, their actions, their methods, and the critique of their history from groups like Black Autonomy, than we can from the mindless student drivel of the likes of Green Anarchist or Hakim Bey.

http://libcom.org/library/the-black-panther-party-for-self-defense

[Pawn Power]

40 Years Later

“The Assassination of Fred Hampton: How the FBI and the Chicago Police Murdered a Black Panther” (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/4/the_assassination_of_fred_hampton_how)

[Pawn Power]

Plundering the Panthers, Manipulating the Movement: Re-Branding the Black Panther Party (http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/plundering-panthers-manipulating-movement-re-branding-black-panther-party)

[Hampton]

http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/%E2%80%98i-am-a-revolutionary%E2%80%99/

Commemorate the 40th anniversary of Chairman Fred Hampton’s assassination on Friday, Dec. 4 – events in Chicago and San Francisco, details below

http://www.sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Ch.-Fred-40th-12091.JPG (http://www.sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Ch.-Fred-40th-12091.JPG)


On Dec. 4, 1969, 40 years ago, Chicago police led by Cook County prosecutor Edward Hanrahan as part of an FBI Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO) operation stormed into Illinois Black Panther Party Chairman Fred Hampton’s apartment at 4:30 a.m. Armed with shotguns, handguns and a .45 caliber machine gun and guided by a floor plan of the apartment provided by an informant, the police killed Defense Captain Mark Clark and critically injured four other Panthers.

They gunned their way through the apartment into Fred Hampton’s bedroom. There he lay sleeping, having been drugged earlier by an FBI informant. As he lay there, the cops stood over him and put two bullets in his brain, at close range.
http://www.sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Fred-Hampton-Film-Festival1.jpg (http://www.sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Fred-Hampton-Film-Festival1.jpg)


Other Panthers, including Fred Hampton’s eight month pregnant wife, Deborah Johnson (aka Akua Njeri), were beaten, dragged into the street and charged with assault and attempted murder. Not one officer ever spent a day in jail. Following this murderous attack – where the police fired 99 rounds in the house and were completely uninjured themselves – Hanrahan brazenly lied that the police were under heavy fire from the Panthers. Among all the many thousands and thousands of actions that show why the Black Panther Party correctly dubbed the police “pigs,” few compare to the viciousness and lies surrounding the assassination of Fred Hampton.

[Liberateeducate]

http://thenewtimesholler.com/images/alk1.jpg
I read this about 2 months ago,
http://thenewtimesholler.com/ARCHIVE/archiveDisplay.php?ID=32
thats the best review i've found of it

[comradesvs]

pretty extensive list or resources, thanks!

[Yawn]

finally some info at one spot

[Ocean Seal]

I'm going to get started on The War Against the Panthers.

[COMPLEXproductions]

I like the panthers to an extent. To the best of my knowledge though, it seems they were fighting to make blacks equally able to reach the top of capitalism more than they were fighting for any communist ideals of a worker-run society from the bottom-up(as opposed to how we have it now). I don't however blame them, they had a lot on their plate. But the sixties in general was more of a cultural revolution anyway more than the corporate revolution we need. I think it was a necessary step for the coming revolution over capitalism.


ps: free MUMIA ABU JAMAL!

[Muzk]

To the best of my knowledge though, it seems they were fighting to make blacks equally able to reach the top of capitalism more

Oh my...
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/
Read through this :/

[COMPLEXproductions]

Oh my...
http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/
Read through this :/

Oh god, thank YOU. I'm really glad for this. I used to like the panthers, but i was discussing them not too long ago, and that changed my opinion. This brings me back and I'm happy for that. It reenforces my previous opinions, for which I thank you.

[Peace on Earth]

Considering I just bought Eldridge Cleaver's "Soul On Ice," I'm glad I have access to more resources about the Panthers. The amount of bad press they get, both from the conservatives and from liberals who distance themselves from the Panthers, is ugly.

[noble brown]

This failure is a result of many factors. One, everyone knows about: state repression. But another is that their basic tactic, community organizing, is not a way to build a revolutionary organization. That's why the League of Revolutionary Black Workers, which is much less known that the Pathers, had much more staying power. They attempted to build caucuses in the auto plants...

RED DAVE


the BPP and LRBW were addressing two different fronts of the same battle. the BPP were addressing the plight of the lumpen proletariat and this was a very effective way to address this particular issue. the LRBW were addressing the plight of the traditional proletariat. the BPP didnt "fail" they were crushed! yes there were internal problems as with any organization especially one fighting the state but they ceased to exist due to the efforts of the state. "failure" indicates some sort of internal or logistical flaw of a terminal nature. we'll never know if this was actually the case since the states declaration of war on the BPP was the nail in their coffin not internal logistical flaws.

the way to build a revolutionary org is not to be set in stone. it must be a dynamic process that addresses all points of oppression and exploitation. one front is no more valid then another.

[Sexy Red]

Correct me if I'm wrong but was it the NOI or the Black Panthers that met with Neo Nazi's to negotiate transporting all the black people back to Africa?

[Hampton]

That would be the NOI.

http://www.anthonyflood.com/rockwellelijah.htm

[Manifesto]

What the fuck kind of shit is this? http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1524

[Hampton]

I would say mostly bullshit, although there are shades of truth. He was killed by a drug dealer and he was a drug addict when he died. He was never convicted of killing a prostitute and I'm not sure if anyone knows what happened the night John Frey was killed.

Though I would say given his main source for Huey is David Horowitz, the whole article is shit.

[Burn A Flag]

I'm so glad for this page. In my school textbook it says Malcom X was a black separatist and that he hated "blue eyed white devils". Nice to have a place to find all kinds of nice sources about him when that discussion comes up this year. My history teacher has 4 pictures of Reagan and 7 pictures of George W. Bush in her room, so I'm sure she'll teach like he was an evil person. I'm going to refute it.

[Manifesto]

I would say mostly bullshit, although there are shades of truth. He was killed by a drug dealer and he was a drug addict when he died. He was never convicted of killing a prostitute and I'm not sure if anyone knows what happened the night John Frey was killed.

Though I would say given his main source for Huey is David Horowitz, the whole article is shit.
Yeah I looked at the homepage and there is Glenn Beck video congratulating the website.

[Сталин]

The black panthers are racist themselves, how can anyone refute this? Black power, White power; I see no reason we should view one slogan as being pro-civil rights, and the other as racist. Its these double standards that disunifies our movement. Whats next? Allowing David Duke and white separatism call themselves civil rights as well?

[Nolan]

The black panthers are racist themselves, how can anyone refute this? Black power, White power; I see no reason we should view one slogan as being pro-civil rights, and the other as racist. Its these double standards that disunifies our movement. Whats next? Allowing David Duke and white separatism call themselves civil rights as well?

No, the panthers were not black supremacists. They were a group that fought for equal rights and self-determination at a time when blacks were treated like complete subhumans by the government. Because of groups like them blacks in America have it a little bit better today but are still at a disadvantage.

[Barry Lyndon]

The black panthers are racist themselves, how can anyone refute this? Black power, White power; I see no reason we should view one slogan as being pro-civil rights, and the other as racist. Its these double standards that disunifies our movement. Whats next? Allowing David Duke and white separatism call themselves civil rights as well?

No- the Black Panthers worked with Latino's, Asians, Native Americans and yes, poor and/or radical whites who were revolutionaries. They were strongly anti-racist.

Black Power merely meant black people gaining dignity and self-respect after centuries of oppression and humiliation. It's about blacks being equal, not being superior.
White Power is about preserving the power of whites to dominate non-whites. That is backward and reactionary.

[Сталин]

No, the panthers were not black supremacists. They were a group that fought for equal rights and self-determination at a time when blacks were treated like complete subhumans by the government. Because of groups like them blacks in America have it a little bit better today but are still at a disadvantage.
Still at a disadvantage??:confused:

What color is Barack Obama their President?:rolleyes:

And please tell me; what is the difference between the black power fist and the white power fist? (FYI: it is rhetorical, they are the same). We need to drop bad blood and move past that. Black only groups fighting for only blacks is not the Communism I was raised to believe...

[Barry Lyndon]

Still at a disadvantage??:confused:

What color is Barack Obama their President?:rolleyes:

And please tell me; what is the difference between the black power fist and the white power fist? (FYI: it is rhetorical, they are the same). We need to drop bad blood and move past that. Black only groups fighting for only blacks is not the Communism I was raised to believe...

Just because there is a black president doesn't mean that racism has just vanished.

American cities are still racially segregated. So are schools. There's still widespread discrimination against blacks by the police, in higher education, with regards to medical care, in real estate. The difference from the 1960's is that it is now largely due to persisting economic inequality that blacks suffer relative to whites instead of Jim Crow laws.

America is still a deeply racist and racially divided society. Communists need to recognize that fact and confront it head on.

[noble brown]

Still at a disadvantage??:confused:

What color is Barack Obama their President?:rolleyes:

And please tell me; what is the difference between the black power fist and the white power fist? (FYI: it is rhetorical, they are the same). We need to drop bad blood and move past that. Black only groups fighting for only blacks is not the Communism I was raised to believe...


komrade. seriously... the black panthers did not only fight for balcks. certainly there was an emphasis on the black struggle but if your on fire your not doing a whole lotta screamin for the guy chokin on a chicken bone next to you. they werent dummies they understood the nature of the struggle much better then most think. they were respected by many different revolutionary struggles and they respected them greatly. the only disconnect between them and the rest of america was the one imposed by the structure. there was early in the movement a rascist strand by atleast one well known panther but it was short lived.

[madrone]

Still at a disadvantage??:confused:

What color is Barack Obama their President?:rolleyes:

And please tell me; what is the difference between the black power fist and the white power fist? (FYI: it is rhetorical, they are the same). We need to drop bad blood and move past that. Black only groups fighting for only blacks is not the Communism I was raised to believe...



Barack obama is half kenyan, half white.

He is neither descended from slaves brought to america, nor is he 'African American' by descent.

Not all 'black people' in America are african americans. Its a specific ethnicity. Unfortunately, its been whites that have long held to the ideal that "all blacks are the same...yet whites can be of different ethnicities *ie russian or italian or german*).

[Juergen Schroeder]

The Black Panther Community news service newspaper is not online for years and I am wondering why nobody puts it up again. My copies are neither all numbers and also often they are cut as pictures were used for layout. That is why I am hesitating to scan my pile of it. Doesn't anybody have a good collection?

[Hampton]

Elmer 'Geronimo' Pratt: Former Black Panther Dies

Former Black Panther Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt died Thursday at the age of 63 in Tanzania, according to his former lawyer. The former activist died in a small village in Tanzania where he lived with his wife and child; the cause of death is still unknown.

Pratt served two tours in Vietnam before joining the Black Panther party in the late sixties. In 1968, he was convicted of murdering white schoolteacher Caroline Olsen and imprisoned for 27 years before the case was overturned in 1997. The victim’s husband initially identified another man as the killer, but the jury was unaware. Pratt was later awarded a $4.5 million settlement in a false-imprisonment and civil rights law suit.

"His legacy is that he never gave up,” said his former lawyer Stuart Hanlon. “He never got despondent or angry." Johnnie Cochran also assisted with getting Pratt out of jail, and Pratt even went on to speak at Cochran’s funeral in 2005.

Despite the grave injustice, Pratt assured the public that he held no anger over being imprisoned. "I don't think bitterness has a place. I'm more understanding," Pratt told CNN in a 1999 interview. "Understanding doesn't leave any room for bitterness or anger."

Interviews with Geronimo Ji-jaga Pratt

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/shoulders-our-freedom-fighters/408-interview-geronimo-ji-jaga-pratt.html

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/our-prisoners-war-pow/2357-geronimo-pratt-interview.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/12/geronimo-pratt.html

http://youtu.be/CgcZvnw4LdU
http://youtu.be/UcosKNPQuNg


R.I.P.

[revolutionary_suicide]

Great resources, comrades! Thanks for posting!

[Hampton]

http://indyreader.org/files/imagecache/span-8/article_images/6453_popup.jpg


Marshall Law: The Life and Times of a Baltimore Black Panther
By: Marshall "Eddie" Conway and Dominque Stevenson
Published April 26th, 2011, AK Press
1849350221

I first met Eddie in the summer of 2009. As I drove up to Jessup Correctional Facility, I had no idea what to expect. The drive out was long, hot, and uneventful. Baltimore city turned into highway, turned into suburbs, turned into strip malls and all of a sudden we were in Jessup. And then we were driving by an empty guard booth - and then we were giving a security guard our ID's, emptying our pockets, and sitting in a waiting room, waiting for our names to be called. When I finally met Eddie I was woozy and hot from waiting. I was nervous and worried that I didn't know enough history. He was calm and thoughtful and funny. He knew so much I was amazed. How can someone survive over 40 years of false imprisonment?

After walking out of the prison, a prison Eddie might never walk out of, I felt a different kind of freedom and a new respect for what people can live through.

http://indyreader.org/content/review-marshall-law-life-times-baltimore-black-panther

Buy the book:

http://www.akpress.org/2010/items/marshalllaw

Video on Eddie Conway:
http://youtu.be/2RWpn8QGHQs

[Hampton]

'Nothing but a Northern Lynching': The Assassination of Fred Hampton


At 4:30 in the morning of December 4, 1969, 14 heavily armed Chicago police officers, acting at the direction of Cook County State's Attorney Edward V. Hanrahan, raided a tiny apartment on the west side of Chicago where local Black Panther Party Chairman Fred Hampton and eight Party members were sleeping. Minutes later, Hampton and Peoria, Illinois BPP leader Mark Clark lay dead, several of the other Panthers were seriously wounded, and the survivors were hauled off to jail on attempted murder charges.

I was a second year Northwestern law student working at the fledgling People's Law Office when I received a call that "the Chairman had been murdered" and was directed to come to the apartment. The crime scene was shocking -- the plasterboard walls looked like swiss cheese, ripped by scores of bullets from police weapons that included a machine gun, a semi automatic rifle, and several shotguns. A large pool of blood stained the floor at the doorway where Hampton's body had been dragged after he was shot in the head, and there were fresh blood stains on all the beds in the apartment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-flint-taylor/fred-hamptom-death_b_2234651.html

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxmr4oflbh1qzhoqfo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAI6WLSGT7Y3ET7ADQ&Expires=1354839878&Signature=3QiJBbwjTmOEsfj0vlUeJjCAFH0%3D

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvoyx5XZxo1qzhoqfo1_1280.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz8p7rq3DK1qzhoqfo1_1280.jpg

[Ostrinski]

Would anyone be offended if I unstickied this? Not even three pages and over six years of existence! This isn't a topic that is frequently discussed, and there are plenty of revolutionary organizations that are discussed much more often than the Black Panther Party without stickies.

However, I think this is a valuable list of resources, and so I would either ask Hampton to replicate his post in the historical bibliographies thread started by ComradeOm, or for his/her permission for me to do so.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

I'll have to disagree. They managed to get 10,000 core members and had a newspaper subscription of 100,000 people. These numbers alone show that their organization was the most effective socialist party to exist in the USA and deserves to be replicated, or at least in organizational methods at the very least. So I say keep it up, we might talk about some crap parties like the CPUSA more than them, but not because they deserve to be discussed as much.

[Ostrinski]

Yes that is all very quite fine and dandy, but if a thread is stickied, it should be because it is valuable, i.e. people on the board value it and use it as a resource. Furthermore, if we have a thread about one revolutionary organization, it would only be fair to have one about them all. I.e. have a thread about the Bolsheviks, IWW, Communist Party of China, CNT-FAI, etc etc.

I don't particularly think the Black Panther Party organizational methods should be followed. There are other organizations who's methods I like better, but it doesn't mean I'm going to make a sticky of them all.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Well we have alot of stickies of various movements. We've got stickies for Shining Path, Farc, and even Nepal despite the fact that Nepal degenerated a long time ago. So I don't see any reason to remove it unless it becomes cluttered

[Geiseric]

I liked this thread a lot when I first saw it, keeping it here would be good imo.

[Ostrinski]

Those are subforums, and ongoing struggles is not my forum.

The point of stickies isn't to have another one for every single thing that exists. It is supposed to be a concise collection of helpful resources to aid users become more informed on issues related to the function of the forum and to participate more effectively within it. There is a historical bibliography thread that is stickied where the sources and resources can go, and there is a frequently discussed topic thread where this thread can be referenced.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Those are subforums, and ongoing struggles is not my forum.

The point of stickies isn't to have another one for every single thing that exists. It is supposed to be a concise collection of helpful resources to aid users become more informed on issues related to the function of the forum and to participate more effectively within it. There is a historical bibliography thread that is stickied where the sources and resources can go, and there is a frequently discussed topic thread where this thread can be referenced.

Well we can make a thread for various historical parties that were notable and include this as a link in that thread to keep it concise. I guess I could compromise on that, though I prefer how it is now.

[den röde skogshuggaren]

I think older don't like that someone use their name, and they say that older propagated love for all people while younger propagate hate for white people .

Are you racist? The New Black Panthers don't hate white people, they're just showing their anger since America is practically just as racist as ever.

[Anti-White]

Are you racist? The New Black Panthers don't hate white people, they're just showing their anger since America is practically just as racist as ever.

No, you are most definitely wrong about that. We HATE white people.

[Human Liberation Front]

Are you racist? The New Black Panthers don't hate white people, they're just showing their anger since America is practically just as racist as ever.

The Original and True Black Panthers weren't racist. However the New Black Panthers are racist. Not even original Black Panthers like them.

[Anti-White]

The Original and True Black Panthers weren't racist. However the New Black Panthers are racist. Not even original Black Panthers like them.

Well, see you're wrong, too. My father was an original Black Panther and they were anti-white as well. he helped organize the New Black Panther Party in San Francisco.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

No, you are most definitely wrong about that. We HATE white people.

As well as Jews and Homosexuals.

The New BP's are an absolute embarassment to the original Black Panthers and are rightly mocked and scorned by others.

[Human Liberation Front]

Well, see you're wrong, too. My father was an original Black Panther and they were anti-white as well. he helped organize the New Black Panther Party in San Francisco.
Really? Is that why they allowed Marlon Brando to donate to their cause creating a friendship between him and Bobby Seale. Marlon Brando also attended Bobby Huttons funeral. So, I'm not wrong, because if the original and true Black Panthers hated whites they wouldn't have allowed him to be around them and find it patronizing for a white person to contribute to their cause.

[tachosomoza]

As well as Jews and Homosexuals.

The New BP's are an absolute embarassment to the original Black Panthers and are rightly mocked and scorned by others.

Indeed, they are an embarrassment. Calling for the murder of children is not a way to generate productive action, it gives reactionaries something to use and draw upon to slander.

Fuck the NBPP posers. No better than white fascists and conservatives.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Yeah, the NBPP definitely share the ideological outlook of US (United Slaves) - a black "cultural nationalist" group that ended up in shootouts with the BPP.
That said, if people are just shit-talking the NBPP, and not working to support black folk in struggle, that's pretty hella weak.
I strongly encourage people to check out the New Afrikan Black Panther Party (largely a project of political prisoners, I think), as well as the Black Riders Liberation Party. Both are . . . well, not Kwanza-y cultural nationalists.

[Anti-White]

Really? Is that why they allowed Marlon Brando to donate to their cause creating a friendship between him and Bobby Seale. Marlon Brando also attended Bobby Huttons funeral. So, I'm not wrong, because if the original and true Black Panthers hated whites they wouldn't have allowed him to be around them and find it patronizing for a white person to contribute to their cause.

MARLON BRANDO? Come on man! Marlon Brando? Are you fucking' serious? The Panthers used anyone who could help them -- always a good idea -- and people like Marlon Brando bring exposure which also brings awareness and then acceptance. If people like Brando want to shell out some cash, great, be our token cracker, but that don't mean we wouldn't off his fat cat ass in a second when the shit comes down. It's all about the capitalist selling the rope used to string his dumb ass up.

Marlon Brando, shiiiiiiiit.

Hey, many people on the left were as afraid of the Panthers in the 1960s as Virgin Molotov Cocktail is today. That's cool, we have our own agenda.

[The Douche]

Anti-white, I'd be interested to hear how you respond to this:

http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

[Anti-White]

Anti-white, I'd be interested to hear how you respond to this:

First, by laughing, second by asking you if you know anything real about Huey Newton or the founders of that foundation?

[The Douche]

First, by laughing, second by asking you if you know anything real about Huey Newton or the founders of that foundation?

I do, actually. I know all about what a piece of shit sell out David Hilliard is, and that he uses the legacy of the Panthers to sell hot sauce.

But I do also know about Huey, and what he actually wrote, and I do know that that article is largely correct, despite its shitty source.

[Anti-White]

I do, actually. I know all about what a piece of shit sell out David Hilliard is, and that he uses the legacy of the Panthers to sell hot sauce.

No different than Bobby "new asshole" Seale and his BBQ sauce


But I do also know about Huey, and what he actually wrote, and I do know that that article is largely correct, despite its shitty source.

You can't separate a thing from its source. You say you know about Huey, but those that say they know, don't and those that know, don't say.

[The Douche]

No different than Bobby "new asshole" Seale and his BBQ sauce



You can't separate a thing from its source. You say you know about Huey, but those that say they know, don't and those that know, don't say.

Lol, like the thought of Huey P. Newton is some secret knowledge guarded by warrior monks or something.

[Anti-White]

Lol, like the thought of Huey P. Newton is some secret knowledge guarded by warrior monks or something.

I just laid down a message that you didn't pick up on so now I KNOW you're a peckerwood.

There's reading books about Huey Newton and there's being in the same room with him while he drinks beer with your daddy. You're the former, I'm the latter.

You don't know shit and you proved it.

[The Douche]

Lol, bounce this pork-chop nationalist mother fucker.

[Anti-White]

Lol, bounce this pork-chop nationalist mother fucker.

Hahahahahahahaah!

I fucked you up, don't be hurt!

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

"We believe that [white man's] very nature will not allow for true sharing, fairness, equity and justice."
- New Black Panther Party 10 Point Programme

"The cultural nationalist doesn't understand the revolutionaries because he can't see why anyone white would turn on the system [. . .] I personally think that there are many young white revolutionaries who are sincere in attempting to realign themselves with mankind, and to make a reality out the high moral standards that their fathers and forefathers only expressed."
- Huey P. Newton

[Hampton]

MARLON BRANDO? Come on man! Marlon Brando? Are you fucking' serious? The Panthers used anyone who could help them -- always a good idea -- and people like Marlon Brando bring exposure which also brings awareness and then acceptance. If people like Brando want to shell out some cash, great, be our token cracker, but that don't mean we wouldn't off his fat cat ass in a second when the shit comes down. It's all about the capitalist selling the rope used to string his dumb ass up.

Marlon Brando, shiiiiiiiit.



Pretty sure you got the wrong impression they had about Brando. Brando marched on Washington, rode with Freedom Riders, attended the memorial for George Jackson, and eulogized Bobby Hutton. He was more than a "token cracker" as you say. And your username is ridiculous.

And I would disparage Huey before I talked smack about Bobby Seale.

[Human Liberation Front]

Judging by Anti-White actions, I believe they are nothing more than a Right-Winger trying to tarnish the image of black Leftists. The things being spewed by this person are mockingly comical at best and stereotypical.

[The Douche]

Judging by Anti-White actions, I believe they are nothing more than a Right-Winger trying to tarnish the image of black Leftists. The things being spewed by this person are mockingly comical at best and stereotypical.

Nah, he seems pretty consistent with other cultural nationalist types and black Hebrews I've met over the years.

I don't think he's a troll, the brother is just wrong.

[NormalG]

In Huey P Newtons book To Die for the People, he clearly states white people are apart of the oppressed working class just like blacks, he was not a racist and it is my belief cointelpro used culture nationalism to split the party up and deteriorate into a useless black nationlist group like the US organization.

[Ace High]

"We believe that [white man's] very nature will not allow for true sharing, fairness, equity and justice."
- New Black Panther Party 10 Point Programme

"The cultural nationalist doesn't understand the revolutionaries because he can't see why anyone white would turn on the system [. . .] I personally think that there are many young white revolutionaries who are sincere in attempting to realign themselves with mankind, and to make a reality out the high moral standards that their fathers and forefathers only expressed."
- Huey P. Newton

THANK YOU. It annoys the living hell out of me when people try to equate the New Black Panthers with the ACTUAL original Black Panthers. Glad you pointed out these quotes. The New BP's are ignorant scum and are tarnishing the legacy of the originals.

[Anti-White]

Pretty sure you got the wrong impression they had about Brando. Brando marched on Washington, rode with Freedom Riders, attended the memorial for George Jackson, and eulogized Bobby Hutton. He was more than a "token cracker" as you say. And your username is ridiculous.

And I would disparage Huey before I talked smack about Bobby Seale.

It's shit like this that makes me shake my head.

You "know" what you know because you read it in a motherfucking book. I lived it. My father was from Prattville, Alabama and helped organize in Bloody Lowndes County, Alabama in the 1960s and went west to Oakland to organize the Panthers. People like Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, Othello Hicks and Cleve Cooper stayed in my house with us.

You wouldn't disparage or talk shit about Huey or Bobby because they would slap the spit out of your mouth. Huey and Bobby will say what they need to get where they need to get, to push it further down the line. In the end, they just wound up pushing for themselves because the whole movement ran out of steam.

That's one thing I learned from those guys and my father, that politics is no different from hustling in the street. This is what white leftists can never really get because they like theory more than practice. Practice is hardcore, mean and nasty and white leftists don like that shit. they like air-conditioning and books about the Paris Commune and admiring real Blackness from a safe distance, like fucking Marlon Brando. Don't fucking tell me that some Hollywood cocksucker like Marlon fucking Brando is anything but a peckerwood, willing to get dirty at all. Whites want the nigger to pull the trigger so he can walk over us into power.

white leftists are no different from white people of any stripe, they'll betray you at the drop of a hat.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

white leftists are no different from white people of any stripe, they'll betray you at the drop of a hat.

Unlike, say, the black bourgeoisie?

I'm sympathetic to the idea that staking hopes for black liberation on white people is a bad idea. That said, I wonder what your conception of whiteness is. I'm being sincere - it seems silly for me to pick an argument if I'm not sure what you're saying. I guess I wonder about your sense of whiteness historically, its relationship to class, etc.
I could also start another thread about this, if you feel like talking this out in any length.

[Anti-White]

Unlike, say, the black bourgeoisie?

I'm sympathetic to the idea that staking hopes for black liberation on white people is a bad idea. That said, I wonder what your conception of whiteness is. I'm being sincere - it seems silly for me to pick an argument if I'm not sure what you're saying. I guess I wonder about your sense of whiteness historically, its relationship to class, etc.
I could also start another thread about this, if you feel like talking this out in any length.

Well I'm so happy that you're sympathetic and sincere.

I'm not interested in conceptions of whiteness anymore. I've read the books, but at the street level none of that shit really matters. if you look white, you're white and if you act white, you might as well be white and get treated white.

[Brutus]

Please stop your racist dribble

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Well I'm so happy that you're sympathetic and sincere.

I'm not interested in conceptions of whiteness anymore. I've read the books, but at the street level none of that shit really matters. if you look white, you're white and if you act white, you might as well be white and get treated white.

Sure, I basically agree with that (though "looking white" / "passing" gets complicated). As for acting white / getting treated white, it raises the question "Treated white by whom?" Sure, if we (largely correctly) identify whiteness with settler-colonialism, anyone who "acts white" (regardless of skin colour) is objectively coming down on the wrong side of class struggle. But will "white-acting" blacks get "treated white" by the settler-colonial state? Not necessarily.

Anyway, at the hard "street level", what does this translate to in terms of practice? I think it's strategic to have organizations that are specifically black (or mohawk, or [email protected], or . . .), but how should they relate to whites? Is it relationship that is purely antagonistic? In strategic terms, in North America, is a race war likely to end end settler-colonialism? I'm going to come out and say no. I think driving a wedge between the white bourgeoisie and the white working class is a necessity. Of course, it's reasonable to see this as the reponsibility of settler radicals, and not colonial subjects. Though, on the other hand, I suspect you disagree with me - but I'd be curious to hear your own strategic proposal.


Please stop your racist dribble.

That's not racism. Racism, in historical context, is synonymous with white supremacy. It could be read as an ideological effect of racism, but that's not the same thing.

[Brutus]

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race. Does that not classify?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race. Does that not classify?

No, it's a lousy liberal definition, that erases the historical construction of race along lines dictated by white supremacy and colonialism. Racism is about systems of power with real material basis, not about subjective douchebaggery. Your definition is the one that liberal governments give alongside their "Can't we all just get along?"-multiculturalism-under-white-supremacist-government.

[synthesis]

It's shit like this that makes me shake my head.

You "know" what you know because you read it in a motherfucking book. I lived it. My father was from Prattville, Alabama and helped organize in Bloody Lowndes County, Alabama in the 1960s and went west to Oakland to organize the Panthers. People like Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, Othello Hicks and Cleve Cooper stayed in my house with us.

Well, that's the problem, isn't it? The publicly expressed opinions of prominent figures can be independently verified, but personal anecdotes cannot. You can't expect people on the Internet to just take your word about these kinds of things. Surely, if your father was a prominent figure, there should be at least a couple historical sources you could present so as to facilitate an actual discussion about the topic. (And if you can't find them, you're not looking hard enough.)

[Anti-White]

Well, that's the problem, isn't it? The publicly expressed opinions of prominent figures can be independently verified, but personal anecdotes cannot. You can't expect people on the Internet to just take your word about these kinds of things. Surely, if your father was a prominent figure, there should be at least a couple historical sources you could present so as to facilitate an actual discussion about the topic. (And if you can't find them, you're not looking hard enough.)

Why should I care if people "take my word" for anything? I know who I am and I know what's what. Ninety-nine percent of what's on this site is pure bullshit. Ya'll need a healthy dose of keepin' it real and when I see shit that I lived misrepresented, I must speak out.

But no one here would possibly object to ceding control of an organization to Blacks after the history of white oppression, would they? If you refused, you also would understand that Blacks might want to wrest it from you by force, right?

[synthesis]

Why should I care if people "take my word" for anything? I know who I am and I know what's what. Ninety-nine percent of what's on this site is pure bullshit. Ya'll need a healthy dose of keepin' it real and when I see shit that I lived misrepresented, I must speak out.

Why should anyone else care about what you have to say when there is apparently no room for discussion?


But no one here would possibly object to ceding control of an organization to Blacks after the history of white oppression, would they? If you refused, you also would understand that Blacks might want to wrest it from you by force, right?

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Anti-White]

Why should anyone else care about what you have to say when there is apparently no room for discussion?



What the fuck are you talking about?

Ignorance, you have it my man.

SNCC, December 27, 1965: all whites booted from the organization.

[RedBen]

Ignorance, you have it my man.

SNCC, December 27, 1965: all whites booted from the organization.
people like you make me sick, people like you treat my significant other like shit *for* being light skinned black and well spoken and articulate. people like you call her "bourgie" because she doesn't speak slang or ebonics, people like you call her white, and are racist towards your own for not being a carbon copy of you. if you hate white people so much go do something about like kill a white person... let me guess... "so i can be a victim of a racist system for murder?" you're a stain on the black community. the only racism i ever experienced was from black people thinking i was white. hell, last year it got jumped by 7 guys for walking out of a gas station by my house. they thought i was white and said "white motherfuckas smoke crack" when they literally offered to sell me crack and i declined. they blindsided me with a trash can and proceeded to pelt me with rocks, glass yoohoo and snapple bottles that fell out of the trash can. funny thing, them trying to strike one for the cause couldn't get 1 man on the floor between all of them. you're the same kind of coward. you are are wholly counter-revolutionary because you would seek to divide the revolutionary class and have it war with itself. if i were some white person from some suburb who didn't grow up in black neighborhoods as i have and currently live, i would think you represented more black people and not just some malcontent seperatist counter revolutionary who has no home on the left. thank god i have dealt with enough black people growing up to know the black community can be incredibly welcoming and warm and fair. i guess my black friends are all sellouts? maybe so is my girlfriend? her family for accepting me? you're a racist, i can connect with oppressed people but not with people who advocate oppression. burn in hell

[Nakidana]

That's one thing I learned from those guys and my father, that politics is no different from hustling in the street. This is what white leftists can never really get because they like theory more than practice. Practice is hardcore, mean and nasty and white leftists don like that shit. they like air-conditioning and books about the Paris Commune and admiring real Blackness from a safe distance, like fucking Marlon Brando. Don't fucking tell me that some Hollywood cocksucker like Marlon fucking Brando is anything but a peckerwood, willing to get dirty at all. Whites want the nigger to pull the trigger so he can walk over us into power.

white leftists are no different from white people of any stripe, they'll betray you at the drop of a hat.

...

I'm not interested in conceptions of whiteness anymore. I've read the books, but at the street level none of that shit really matters. if you look white, you're white and if you act white, you might as well be white and get treated white.

First of all you're about 50 years behind in theory as well as practice; Malcolm X already refuted you. He repeatedly mentioned how much he regretted telling a white co-ed that she could do nothing to help black people, and how sincere white people should organize in their local communities to stop racism.

Second, your analysis is of no use. Telling a person there is nothing he can do and discussion is useless has exactly zero effect. It's not like he's is going to lie down and stop living. All it does is make that person stop listening to you and find his answers somewhere else.

You can tell a person he's wrong, but unless you explain why, and how he can do it right, it's of precisely no use to him.

[bluemangroup]

Has anyone read Black Against Empire? It neatly documents the rise (and fall) of the Black Panther Party in a popular history textbook format. Its a good read, and doesn't seem long despite its +400 page length.

Cleared up a lot of misconceptions for me about the Black Panther Party. Highly recommended. :)

[Anti-White]

people like you make me sick, people like you treat my significant other like shit *for* being light skinned black and well spoken and articulate. people like you call her "bourgie" because she doesn't speak slang or ebonics, people like you call her white, and are racist towards your own for not being a carbon copy of you. if you hate white people so much go do something about like kill a white person... let me guess... "so i can be a victim of a racist system for murder?" you're a stain on the black community. the only racism i ever experienced was from black people thinking i was white. hell, last year it got jumped by 7 guys for walking out of a gas station by my house. they thought i was white and said "white motherfuckas smoke crack" when they literally offered to sell me crack and i declined. they blindsided me with a trash can and proceeded to pelt me with rocks, glass yoohoo and snapple bottles that fell out of the trash can. funny thing, them trying to strike one for the cause couldn't get 1 man on the floor between all of them. you're the same kind of coward. you are are wholly counter-revolutionary because you would seek to divide the revolutionary class and have it war with itself. if i were some white person from some suburb who didn't grow up in black neighborhoods as i have and currently live, i would think you represented more black people and not just some malcontent seperatist counter revolutionary who has no home on the left. thank god i have dealt with enough black people growing up to know the black community can be incredibly welcoming and warm and fair. i guess my black friends are all sellouts? maybe so is my girlfriend? her family for accepting me? you're a racist, i can connect with oppressed people but not with people who advocate oppression. burn in hell

Hey man, fuck you, you little white ***** with your "black friends." They're probably fucking your mother and/or girlfriend and laughing up their sleeves at your pale punkass. You wanna play revolution and talk revolution but you don't have the balls to MAKE revolution. Gutless wonder.

[Anti-White]

First of all you're about 50 years behind in theory as well as practice; Malcolm X already refuted you. He repeatedly mentioned how much he regretted telling a white co-ed that she could do nothing to help black people, and how sincere white people should organize in their local communities to stop racism.

Second, your analysis is of no use. Telling a person there is nothing he can do and discussion is useless has exactly zero effect. It's not like he's is going to lie down and stop living. All it does is make that person stop listening to you and find his answers somewhere else.

You can tell a person he's wrong, but unless you explain why, and how he can do it right, it's of precisely no use to him.

Oh, let me check my programs and blueprints for revolution to make sure everything is updated ....

Are you serious? I have lived 52 years among my People -- in jail and out -- and devoted my life to killing the system that oppresses them, learning from the successes and failures of men and women who you are not fit to stand next to.

You'll not be offended if just ignore your stupid, bookish ass and continue on as if you don't exist, will you?

[Fourth Internationalist]

Hey man, fuck you, you little white ***** with your "black friends." They're probably fucking your mother and/or girlfriend and laughing up their sleeves at your pale punkass. You wanna play revolution and talk revolution but you don't have the balls to MAKE revolution. Gutless wonder.

Is this rude behaviour really necessary? All this does is bring down the quality of the forum.

[Brutus]

Is this rude behaviour really necessary? All this does is bring down the quality of the forum.

Nah. Livens things up a bit

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Hey man, fuck you, you little white ***** with your "black friends." They're probably fucking your mother and/or girlfriend and laughing up their sleeves at your pale punkass. You wanna play revolution and talk revolution but you don't have the balls to MAKE revolution. Gutless wonder.

Wow, is there a single sexist cliche that you have not used in this little diatribe?

[synthesis]

Ignorance, you have it my man.

SNCC, December 27, 1965: all whites booted from the organization.

If you're reading this: good God, man, you need to stop living in the 60's. At first I thought you were just an impressionable youngster looking to troll some self-righteous academics - in general, not in reference to anyone in this thread in particular - but the fact that you're apparently 52 just makes this sad as fuck. You're flailing your arms because the world has moved on from your perception of it.

Prisons are the most segregated places in the U.S., so I can sort of see where all this is coming from, but it's a mistake to apply the lessons you've learned there to your politics on the outside.

[Red Fury]

Shit, I like Anti-White. He keeps things popping.

Anyway, who can deny that white people have been a cancer to the world?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Shit, I like Anti-White. He keeps things popping.

Anyway, who can deny that white people have been a cancer to the world?

I think it's complicated. On one hand, I agree; on the other, I also understand whiteness as highly mutable, and contingent on white supremacist class relations, so saying "white people" means different things at different historical moments. Like, at one point, people who are now white (Slavs, Irish, Italians . . .) weren't white, and were at the forefront of proletarian struggles. So, y'know, sure, "white people have been a cancer" - but not in the "common sense" usage of the word white.

[Hampton]

Originally Posted by Red Fury View Post
Shit, I like Anti-White. He keeps things popping.

Anyway, who can deny that white people have been a cancer to the world?

You waited 7 years to post this man...

[1789]

out of curiosity, how do marxists feel about black nationalism?

They're the running dog of the corporates. Divide and rule.

[Hampton]

Former Baltimore Black Panther Leader Released From Prison


Former Baltimore Black Panther leader Marshall "Eddie" Conway was released from prison on Tuesday. Conway was convicted of gunning down Baltimore City Police officer Donald Sager in 1969.

Baltimore City NAACP President Tessa Hill-Aston released the following statement; "Today is a monumental day for the thousands of Marylanders and millions around the world that have championed the release of Marshall "Eddie" Conway for a very long time. The release of Conway after four decades of imprisonment is an important page turner in this tragic story. The Baltimore NAACP has been supporting Conway's release for decades and now a new chapter begins for Marshall "Eddie" Conway, his family and supporters. Our prayers remain with him as he makes the transition to freedom."

On January 15, 1971 Conway was convicted by a Baltimore City jury of the first degree murder of Sager and two counts of assault with intent to murder Baltimore Police officers Stanley Sierakowski and Roger Nolan. He was sentenced to life imprisonment plus 30 years.

http://www.foxbaltimore.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/former-baltimore-black-panther-leader-released-prison-25991.shtml#.UxZXevmwJrM

[Kim Il-sung]

Threads like these always attract the best crowds. :laugh:

[uncontent_soul]

Nah. Livens things up a bit

How about we make this about the BPP again. So are they still operating underground or are they officially "not a thing" anymore? The NBPP exists but many say they have no legit affiliation and are more black supremacist that Afrocentrist or pan Africanist.

[noble brown]

The nbpp has ABSOLUTELY no affiliation with the original vanguard. All the old school members I've spoken to are very strongly against these imposters. As far as any underground movement... Well if there was, chances are they would want it to remain underground and unmentioned.

[Hampton]

Cool guide bro.

[willowtooth]

Cool guide bro.
yeah it is a cool guide bro, why did you bump it?

[Radical Atom]

yeah it is a cool guide bro, why did you bump it?
Because he's the one who started it... about 9 years ago!
Welcome back Hampton.

[Hampton]

Haha, thanks. I'm not sure the links still work...but it's cool to see it up after all this time.

[ShraddhaKapoor]

hii

[thamexper]

there are a lot of useful information. Thanks all