Freedom is a disease

[Som]

Freedom is a disease.

Freedoms a concept that people have been fighting over for centuries, freedom of speech,
freedom of religion, press, so on and so forth. This makes diversities, difference,
conflict.

So whats it really worth?


We're brought up in a society that more or less embraces a certain degree of individual
thought, this makes people fight amongst themselves, different cultures clash, different
beliefs clash, people become attached to their own desires instead of whats good for everyone.
It makes a disorder, a lack of unity, alienating people, leading to a lack of a content feeling
in the population. When we are free to do as we wish, we become slaves to ourselves, our
choices, our beliefs become boundaries on our own contentness with life overall. So whats it
really worth to you?


We've seen that theres quit a powerful ability to control the youths minds, brainwashing if
you will. We should take advantage of this, make sure the youth are made alike, conformed,
the same. Push in the same ideas, same beliefs, same hopes and dreams. Which of these dont
matter, as long as its uniform. Conformity is key. Get rid of the chaos of difference, create
a uniformed society, with order can be happiness. There isnt any need for the concept of
freedom to exist in a society. Conformity is in everyones best interests. By any means, if it
must be forced through brainwashing, indoctrination, ignorance, so be it, its the best for all.

Ideally we should explore techniques to control and manipulate human minds. Instead of
imprisoning mental dissidents, we should be able to reprogram them, encourage this uniformity.
With existing and future technology, plus a myriad of drugs and other brainwashing techniques,
we could take freedom right out of the human existance and create a true utopia. A place were
everyone is happy, because everyone is perfect.

Freedom is a virus. Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution.

[peaccenicked]

Satire these days.

[Marxman]

He who has written this particular thread should be smacked on his face and on his head probably 20 times a day.

Such stupid article is definitely a result of a total lack of understanding the meaning of freedom and thus a total lack of understanding Marxism's point of freedom and the Capitalism's point of freedom.

"Freedom is a road seldom travelled by the multitude."

[BrownEyedCubanita]

WOW! What you just said..that freedom is a disease.....that was so funny..you must have been joking. How can you even think like that. I guess you have never been held captive of being who you are not being able to say, think, or do whats in your heart. What if you weren't free and weren't able to say what you just said about freedom, "a disease", because you would be killed if you said it. So what your saying is that what my famly faught for and struggled for was a waisted of time?? The there tears a sweat were lived in vain?? That is such an insult that should be taken offensive to everyone who has ever faught for something and believed in something strongly.

[Jaha]

sure, freedom is a disease. we should all live in a dictatorship without freedom. only the dictator has freedom. oh, wait. he cant have freedom. well, lets just kill him. dead people dont have freedom! well, who is dictator now? wait, where did we get the freedom to kill? what do we do? we used a freedom we dont have! ahhhh! we should be punished! *mass suiside in the name of justice* well, now we are all dead. no one is free from deaths grip. what a perfect world! now whoever wants to do something, cant! down with freedom! down with life! life is freedom! death! death! death!

note: this does no necessarily portray my beliefs about freedom. i like freedom.

[Kehoe]

Som ... mi amigo your scheme sounds like the plot for a b-movie in the old sci-fi genre ... perhaps you should write a book and call it something like "Sector 11-the Zombies Arrive" or"My mindless days in Happyville".Suppose a person really loves pizza or some other food,now suppose that person had to eat nothing but this food which he loves so well ... he soon discovers that revulsion has replaced his cravings.Likewise,when a person has unlimited freedom,or much rather boundless leisure time in which he applies little or no directive towards issues outside himself in short order he becomes harshly critical of the world wishing to judge and condemn any and all for the void that he feels in the pit of his being,for this lack of stimulus which we call boredom.As for your theory on mind-control it can be argued that those who cant master themselves strive the hardest to master others.Som the Utopian would like to see a uniform society,endless columns of robotic people which dress,walk,and talk alike,tell me,are you familiar with the regimes of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler?Do you sometimes stand before the mirror and pretend to be on a high balcony addressing the adoring masses,looking out into immense crowds and seeing countless banners bearing your image?If you have been granted such a large quanity of leisure time perhaps you should consider applying yourself to a needful field,find a subject such as economics,etc ... and learn it inside out,take this rage and hostility and channel it into an activity of socio-political worth.Whatever the case,remember that potential energy continuously resides on a constructive/destructive razors edge and the slightest movement often determines the outcome,a trifle can bring about ones fate.

[redstar2000]

What??? Plato for lunch AGAIN!!! :-O

[Xvall]

Freedom a disease? How the fuck are we supposed to 'free' the proletariat when it's a damn disease!? Get your head straight!

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Freedom is one of the greatest things in life!!!
You just have to know the limits of It, never abuse It!!!

[KickMcCann]

I always like to question the unquestioned, like if freedom is good or not. But if you were to give it more than half a second of thought, you would realize that freedom is cause worth fighting for.

So you are obviously joking (I hope anyway!), thanks, it's quite refreshing to here something so diabolically evil that we can all unite against it, regardless of our minor differences.

[man in the red suit]

is there a totalitarian serum for this or is this disease as of this moment, incurable?

[new democracy]

i think this is just a silly joke. som said he is an anarchist(i will try to find it), so i doubt he really means it.

[BrownEyedCubanita]

Everyone needs to realize the importance of freedom. I guess som has never been in a country without freedom or he would never said it. DONT TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AS IF YOU LIVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Switch shoes with a Cuban for a day!!! Dont talk and act like you experienced it. Why do you think Cubans try to leave Cuba and come to America. It's not cause America has better tasting tamales is it???!!! NO! Its for freedom. Don't you see how important it is. With out freedom we are not individuals but we are now part of the goverments minds and would have no control over it. So in reality it is not freedom that its disease its people like you and your mentality and how its spreading just like a disease. Freedom is the vaccination for it!!! SOM I suggest you go straight to the doctor and get that checked before it spreads like AIDS.............

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from BrownEyedCubanita on 4:51 pm on Nov. 9, 2002
Everyone needs to realize the importance of freedom. I guess som has never been in a country without freedom or he would never said it. DONT TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AS IF YOU LIVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Switch shoes with a Cuban for a day!!! Dont talk and act like you experienced it. Why do you think Cubans try to leave Cuba and come to America. It's not cause America has better tasting tamales is it???!!! NO! Its for freedom. Don't you see how important it is. With out freedom we are not individuals but we are now part of the goverments minds and would have no control over it. So in reality it is not freedom that its disease its people like you and your mentality and how its spreading just like a disease. Freedom is the vaccination for it!!! SOM I suggest you go straight to the doctor and get that checked before it spreads like AIDS.............

oh yes america is so free that a blackor hispanic man can become sucessful but in the eyes of white america he is still a nigger or a spic'


but then again thats assuming the man actually got a halfway decent education seeing as how urban neighborhoods usually have porr school systems

atleast cuba has a high literacy rate compared to America.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:47 pm on Nov. 9, 2002

Quote: from BrownEyedCubanita on 4:51 pm on Nov. 9, 2002
Everyone needs to realize the importance of freedom. I guess som has never been in a country without freedom or he would never said it. DONT TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AS IF YOU LIVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Switch shoes with a Cuban for a day!!! Dont talk and act like you experienced it. Why do you think Cubans try to leave Cuba and come to America. It's not cause America has better tasting tamales is it???!!! NO! Its for freedom. Don't you see how important it is. With out freedom we are not individuals but we are now part of the goverments minds and would have no control over it. So in reality it is not freedom that its disease its people like you and your mentality and how its spreading just like a disease. Freedom is the vaccination for it!!! SOM I suggest you go straight to the doctor and get that checked before it spreads like AIDS.............

oh yes america is so free that a blackor hispanic man can become sucessful but in the eyes of white america he is still a nigger or a spic'


but then again thats assuming the man actually got a halfway decent education seeing as how urban neighborhoods usually have porr school systems

atleast cuba has a high literacy rate compared to America.


American literacy rate: 95%

Cuban literacy rate:94%

hmm.......... but still, how do you know that Cuba isn't free, cubanita? I will make the obvious assumption that you have lived in Cuba for some time. What isn't free about it?? there is no free media. We have one thing so far. And still, this is not a direct infringement on your freedoms as an individual. Care to share anything else with us or are you just GUESSING that Cuba isn't very free?



"oh yes america is so free that a blackor hispanic man can become sucessful but in the eyes of white america he is still a nigger or a spic'"


right........what is a spic' I have never heard that before.

[zapattack]

freedom and the differences that derive fromit is what makes us human. sure, it causes a lot of hatred and violence too but it is also the strongest creative force in society.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 6:29 pm on Nov. 9, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:47 pm on Nov. 9, 2002

Quote: from BrownEyedCubanita on 4:51 pm on Nov. 9, 2002
Everyone needs to realize the importance of freedom. I guess som has never been in a country without freedom or he would never said it. DONT TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AS IF YOU LIVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Switch shoes with a Cuban for a day!!! Dont talk and act like you experienced it. Why do you think Cubans try to leave Cuba and come to America. It's not cause America has better tasting tamales is it???!!! NO! Its for freedom. Don't you see how important it is. With out freedom we are not individuals but we are now part of the goverments minds and would have no control over it. So in reality it is not freedom that its disease its people like you and your mentality and how its spreading just like a disease. Freedom is the vaccination for it!!! SOM I suggest you go straight to the doctor and get that checked before it spreads like AIDS.............

oh yes america is so free that a blackor hispanic man can become sucessful but in the eyes of white america he is still a nigger or a spic'


but then again thats assuming the man actually got a halfway decent education seeing as how urban neighborhoods usually have porr school systems

atleast cuba has a high literacy rate compared to America.


American literacy rate: 95%

Cuban literacy rate:94%

hmm.......... but still, how do you know that Cuba isn't free, cubanita? I will make the obvious assumption that you have lived in Cuba for some time. What isn't free about it?? there is no free media. We have one thing so far. And still, this is not a direct infringement on your freedoms as an individual. Care to share anything else with us or are you just GUESSING that Cuba isn't very free?



"oh yes america is so free that a blackor hispanic man can become sucessful but in the eyes of white america he is still a nigger or a spic'"


right........what is a spic' I have never heard that before.




where did you get those facts from? the US literacy rate is low around high 70'a low eighties.

a spic is a deragatory term for a puerto rican

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 7:12 pm on Nov. 9,

where did you get those facts from? the US literacy rate is low around high 70'a low eighties.

a spic is a deragatory term for a puerto rican

I got these gacts from 2 different world atlases and then confimed it again on a website. This one to be precise. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/us.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html)


and thank you for the enilightenment on the deragatory term for Puerto Rican. I will be sure NOT to use it.

[man in the red suit]

actually, if you look at the website, it is a little more updated than the atlas I have which is from 1999.

America: 97%

Cuba: 96%

Cuba is not that far beihind. I am not saying it is a bad thing or that their country is any worse or anything. Just trying to make a correction. I used to think the exact same thing.

[redstar2000]

BEC, I have no idea what sorts of bad things must have happened to you in Cuba to make you want to come and live in the United States, much less give you the idea that you are "free" here. As someone who has always lived in the U.S., I can tell you that if I had the resources to emigrate, Havana would probably top my list of places to go.

I can tell you ONE freedom that you will "enjoy" (if that's the right word) here that you didn't have in Cuba. You will have the FREEDOM TO GET RICH. All you have to do is become a lying, ruthless, blood-sucking *****...and with a little luck you can be the next Martha Stewart.

...if that's really the kind of "life" you want to live.

[Jaha]

am i the only one who thinks it is odd that som has not tried to defend is arguement?

he has only made one post in the whole thread. i think this proves the sillyness of his arguement. let him come back and prove that freedom is a disease or else his arguement dies

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

BEC, your arguments leave alot to be disired. Do you know that hundreds of Mexicans move to the US every DAY!! Is Mexico free? Supposedly. But not, countries where millions of empoverished people live, exploited by the US are not free. We have outrageously opposing ideas of what freedom is. Have you ever stoped to think taht maybe Castro's Cuban regime is the most succesful nation in Latin America?

[Som]

I didnt mention capitalism or communism. I never even mentioned a dictatorship.

I never mentioned nationalism, or not being able to say what you want.

I didn't mention any political or economic system in particular.

What i mentioned was not oceania, in the year 1984. It was far closer to Brave New World.
What i mentioned in a sense, is almost an authoritative freedom. Freedom could be defined as being able to do and say what one pleases, now if what someone pleases is never something they are deprived of, they could, in a certain sense, be considered more free than any society before has provided them. The human mind is a variable, and with the proper techniques, can be conditioned as such. The idea of someone as a consumer prevails in a more western society. Unlike the nationalist and idealist methods of control of these dictatorships you've mentioned, It would take more of the model of the consumer. Someone whos desires are manipulated and met, bringing the more positive emotions with it. Destruction, instead of supression of individual thought all together, all while bringing a sense of joy to those under it. A society that can move and work as one, with all benefiting, in all aspects of their mentality.

[Jaha]

aaahhh, yes. Brave New World.

that book was soooo ethical.

freedom is not a disease. done and done.

[Palmares]

What is this, some sort of Fascist propaganda?

[Floyd.]

The freedomis a disease post could belong to George Warmonger Bush if he actually posessed a brain.

[Floyd.]

The "Freedom is a disease" post could belong to George Warmonger Bush if he actually posessed a brain. I apologize about the previous typo.

(Edited by Comrade La Vista at 11:48 pm on Nov. 21, 2002)

[Palmares]

"Freedom is a disease" is simply a contradicting statement. Fuck this stupid thread.