Indian army murder seven "rebels" in Kashmir

[Spike]

Troops shot dead seven suspected militants in two gun-battles in revolt-hit Kashmir, police said yesterday.

Two rebels were killed in a clash yesterday with troops in Pulwama district, 50km south of summer capital Srinagar, said police, who did not divulge further details.

Five more were killed in a four-hour gun-battle in the mountains of southern Doda district on Friday night, police said.

“The five had taken shelter in two empty log houses of shepherds when the army, backed by police, ringed them from outside,” a police spokesman said, adding the rebels opened fire when they spied the soldiers.

The five belonged to several hardline groups including the pro-Pakistan Jaishe Mohammed and Lashkare Taiba, the spokesman said, adding, “three of the slain militants were senior commanders.”

Police have recently been probing five cases in which innocent civilians were allegedly killed and passed off as militants. Some 17 security force personnel and a civilian have been charged with murder in two of the cases.

India will hold a meeting of Kashmiri political parties this month to find a solution to the dispute, the government said yesterday, despite separatists staying away from two similar meetings in the past.

The third “Kashmir round table”, an idea mooted by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, will be held in New Delhi on April 24.

The first two meetings—in February and May last year— were a non-event as mainly pro-Indian parties and groups attended them with the region’s main separatists staying away. The separatists said Pakistan must be involved in any talks on the future of the Himalayan region.

Militant groups fighting Indian rule in the Himalayan region also condemned the meetings. A string of attacks coincided with the May conclave in Srinagar, Kashmir’s summer capital.

“The third round table is yet another opportunity to representatives of political parties, ethnic groups and opinion leaders from all the regions to deliberate upon all issues,” Kashmir Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad said in the statement.

“All of us have to discharge (a) historic role and contribute for cultivating peace in the state,” he added.

The roundtable is a process separate from the India, Pakistan peace talks which began in January 2004 and which, too, have not made much progress on the core dispute of Kashmir.

Kashmir’s main separatist alliance, the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, said it would take a final decision today on whether it would attend the meeting.

Ghulam Nabi Azad said the government was ready to talk to leaders of the armed groups provided they abjure violence.

Talking to newsmen the chief minister said said: Peace is imperative for development and violence has inflicted upon unprecedented loss to human lives and public property in the state.

Officials say more than 42,000 people have been killed in the Himalayan region since a revolt against Indian rule broke out in 1989. Human rights activists put the toll at about 60,000 dead and missing.
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[Revolution67]

Who are you? An Islamist? Rebels in Kashmir are brothers-in-arms of mad mullahs Taliban and they are far from being revolutionaries. All they have in mind is driving out Hindus (who form minority in kashmir), make women wear burqas, ban television etc. I am glad those 7 islamic fuckheads were shot like mad dogs. Do not worry, more of such Jihadi dogs will die untimely death.

[Spike]

Who are you? An Islamist?
No. The people of Kashmir are entitled self-determination. Proletarians stand in solidarity with their national liberation war against the illegitimate Hindu occupation.

Rebels in Kashmir are brothers-in-arms of mad mullahs Taliban
Preposterous. Resistance to the Hindu occupation is nothing new. It far predates the Taliban. This is just simplistic guilt by association on your part. You could use the same tactic to try and discredit the Palestinian resistance.

[Revolution67]

No. The people of Kashmir are entitled self-determination. Proletarians stand in solidarity with their national liberation war against the illegitimate Hindu occupationYeah Kashmiris are entitled for self determination, what about Baluchistan? I do not see you shedding any tears for those people, who are routinely slaughtered by the Pakistan's muslim army? What about the North West Frontier province? What do you have to say about, Pakistan's state religion and Paksitan's ruling establsihment's active support to Taliban? At least, India has a secular constitution. India has had two Muslim presidents. What about Pakistan? Before you use the word "Hindu occupation", would mind telling us, why the religious minorities are so severly suppressed in Pakistan? I havent seen you writing up on that. The only thing you write about is all incidents, where muslims were supposedly victimised.

Then again, tell us, in what way you think Kashmir's struggle against India is in anyway, even remotely resembles a proletarian revolution? Sorry, you could not give a proper answer to the points I made in my first post.
Preposterous. Resistance to the Hindu occupation is nothing new. It far predates the Taliban. This is just simplistic guilt by association on your part. You could use the same tactic to try and discredit the Palestinian resistanceOk, I would be ready to accept that my points are preposterous, if you could just tell me how does this so-called struggle even resembles a progressive, proletarian movement? Do not forget, the genocide carried on by Muslim terrorists upon Hindus and other minorities in the drive to carry on religous cleansing. Pakistan's ruling elite not only actively supports the likes of Taliban, but also supports these Jihadi morons fighting for nothing in kashmir and all they do is to kill innocent people, who again happen to be Muslims, as there are negligible number religious minorties left in Kashmir valley today.

[Spike]

Yeah Kashmiris are entitled for self determination, what about Baluchistan?
Agreed. "Pakistan" is an entirely phony, artificial political entity which should be abolished. The chauvinist Punjabi regime in Islamabad has no right to deny self-determination to the people of Pashtunistan and Baluchistan.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

OK, you two, hold it.

This discussion is going in the wrong direction.

First, the title of this topic is misleading. It's the Indian army, not "Hindus". The conflict in Kashmir doesn't have its roots in Hinduism vs Islam.

Second, Revolution67 brought up the issue of the Pakistani army and its repression of the Baloch people. That is correct, but once agian, its stupid to say "Muslim army" when you refer to the Pakistani army. The Pakistani army is killing fellow Muslim Baloch-nationalists in Balochistan, so its ridiculous to consider this confict in religious terms.

Third, the question of Kashmir and self-determination is a complicated one. To look at it in terms of a mere struggle for national self-determination is wrong.

[Revolution67]

Second, Revolution67 brought up the issue of the Pakistani army and its repression of the Baloch people. That is correct, but once agian, its stupid to say "Muslim army" when you refer to the Pakistani army. The Pakistani army is killing fellow Muslim Baloch-nationalists in Balochistan, so its ridiculous to consider this confict in religious terms.
(emphasis added) S-o-S, that is exactly the point I wanted to emphasize. Had the poster used the words Indian Army or the Indian security forces in the heading and analysed the situation from economic and political angle, it would have made more sense. The heading of the thread depicts some deep ingrained, indoctrinated bias in the mind of the poster.

[Vargha Poralli]

Well to mention the right to self determination of Ksahmir here, these mujhadeens never refrained from attacking the JKLF militants who wanted the Areas occupied by China(Aksai Chin),POK and the State of Jammu and Kashmir to be liberated from all its occupiers.

As comrade SoS says the Jammu and Kashmir problem is ridiculously complicated by the three occupiers to take it just as a matter of National Liberation.

[Vargha Poralli]

Well I found out these articles by Human Rights watch gives an overall views about th Kashmir Problem (http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/kashmir/2006/index.htm). As usual it offers no solution to the problem except criticising Indian and Pakistani ruling class.

With Friends Like these (http://hrw.org/reports/2006/pakistan0906/) -Human Rights Violations in Azad Kashmir(Pakistan Occupied Kashmir part).

People live in fear (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/09/08/india14159.htm) -Patterns of Impunity in Jammu and Kashmir(Part occupied by India).
Actual Report. (http://hrw.org/reports/2006/india0906/)

As I have mentioned before in other posts the Kashmir trouble is a classic example of Capitalism's failure. This issue provides an excellent boogeyman to both Indian and Pakistani ruling class so their intention is never about solving this issue.

[Question everything]

From what I read these guys probably weren't even rebels, just shot by the army and passed off as militants to get them off the hook.

As for independance, Both rebels in Kashmir and in Baluchistan (along with all the other occupied territoiries) should be given independance, personally I don't understand why it has to be made into a partisan issue.

and thanks for the links g.ram

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 19, 2007 01:05 am
From what I read these guys probably weren't even rebels, just shot by the army and passed off as militants to get them off the hook.


Yes. It happens often in India. In other states they will be passed off as Gangsters,Mafia members,Naxalites or theives. In Kashmir it is Militants. Some are even faked by the police for promotion issues. But some incidents are genuinely mistakes by the police.


As for independance, Both rebels in Kashmir and in Baluchistan (along with all the other occupied territoiries) should be given independance, personally I don't understand why it has to be made into a partisan issue.

Well Kashmir and Balochistan are very different Issues. As I have said before Kashmir has no reasonable solution as it has been occupied by three Bourgeoisie nation states(China included). And none of them have a solution that would be acceptable all the three.

Balochistan story is somewhat different and I don't know much about it.Comrade Spirit of Spartacus could give some details about it.


and thanks for the links g.ram

Don't mention it Comrade :)