grove street
17th April 2007, 06:59
On myspace's political forum I'm currently in debate with a Pro Capitalist Chinese Christian. He claims that he has read all of Karl Marx's works as well as Lenin's and Mao's.
He is continually uses the China vs Taiwan, North Korea vs South Korea and even claims that Cubans are worse off then their Capitalist counterparts living in other Latin American countires.
http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseact...6D496DC74007296 (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=0&page=0&EntryID=2429104&CategoryID=71&get=1&adTopicId=16&keyword=politics&xargstringp=&xargstringn=&lastpagesent=1&Mytoken=A76FD375-42B3-4971-8BCA4AE166D496DC74007296)
Here is an example of our argument. My name is O'shay and his is Peter.
Peter (Capitalist)
Communist countries will disappear in the near future
''First of all, in terms of politics , through the history almost every communist country in the world got their powers by using violence, for example Cuba , China , Soviet Unions and so forth, After getting their powers these communist regimes controlled their countries by oppressing their people, they put their opponents into jails or labor camps, they controlled all media in which no different political opinions could be heard in these communist countries.
In short , from the collapse of the Soviet Unions to beginning reforms in a few communist countries such as China and Vietnam, communist regimes are social cancers in the world, they slow down the social progress and economy development, most people in these communist regimes want to change the regimes, they want to reform, they want to become democratic and free countries. The history will prove that these few communist countries will disapper in the world in the near future''
O'shay (Me)
''Yes Capitalism is so wonderful. Peter go tell that to the many Capitalist countries of Africa and Latin America, go tell that to the people of Indonesia ect.
There is a reason why Marxist ideology was created in the first place.
It's time you put down the U.S propaganda and read more accurate books. Capitalism doesn't always equal democracy and the living standards enjoyed by the average person in the west has more to do with the pro-Marxist labour movement of the 19th and early 20th century.
Your example about the Soviet Union is over used and poor. Within ten years Russia went from being one of the poorest countries in Europe, 100-150 years behind to being one of the most advanced and wealthiest. The Soviets downfull was not Socialism but the revisionism that it was plagued with after Stalin's death.
Your inclusion of Cuba has shown me how low you have reached. Cuba is faced with a harsh trade embargo by the US, but yet Cubans still enjoy better living standards then most other Latin and Carabien countries who practised your beloved Capitalism.
If only the Gang of Four rose to power after Mao's death, we wouldn't be having this argument. ''
Peter (Capitalist)
Are these of capitalist countries in Africa and latin America worse than North Korea?
''I have read and studied entire Marx's books when I was in college, his theory was ridiculous and impractical , the Marxist ideology can't stand the test of time and history.
Soviet Union conducted planning economy, this kind of economy had ruined Russian economy for so long, the Soviet Union only paid a close attention to its military forces, now Russia is conducting free market economy, since then Russian economy has improve a lot, ordinary people benefit from the collapse of Soviet Union.
You are kidding ? Cubans don't enjoy the better living standards, only a small number of Cuban communist elites enjoy the communist system, if the Cuban communist regime is not changed the ordinary Cubans will become poorer and poorer.
If the Gand of Four rose to power after Mao's death then many Chinese would be starving to death, China would have become poorer and poorer, China wouldn't have had somewhat prosperity and progress now. ''
O'shay (Me)
''The average African is far worse off then the average North Korean. The average Cuban does enjoy better living standards then the average person in most other Latin American countries. There is no one living in a rubbish dump in Cuba, but there sure are 100's of thousands living in rubbish dumps in Capitalist Latin American countires.
Have you ever stopped to think why more and more Latin American countries are giving up on Free Market Capitalism and becoming more Socialist?
Living standards in the Soviet Union, even right up to it's collapse are still far greater then living standards experinced in Russia today and many other former Soviet countires.''
Peter (Capitalist)
''Believe it or not some capitalist countries can be bad but they are not worse than communist countries, not all African countries are poor there are at least 14 African countries which their average living standard is higher than Chinese.
You can see countless beggars in Chinese cities , needless to say North Korea, they are starving to death, many of them escaped to China to survive.
I don't think that Cubans enjoy better living standards than the average person in most Latin America, the communist Cuba regime controll all media you can't get the real situation from their media, they oppress their people especially their oppositions, they show their high-ups with those of low-ends. I am sure that you haven't lived in any coummunit countries, you just have your illusion about communist countries.
Now only two Latin American countries are pushing toward to Socialist, if they are successful to become a pure socialist countries then they will began to drop behind the world even faster and faster.''
As you can tell he is extremly annoying and provides stupid examples.
Please help me defeat this evil troll :angry:
He is continually uses the China vs Taiwan, North Korea vs South Korea and even claims that Cubans are worse off then their Capitalist counterparts living in other Latin American countires.
http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseact...6D496DC74007296 (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=0&page=0&EntryID=2429104&CategoryID=71&get=1&adTopicId=16&keyword=politics&xargstringp=&xargstringn=&lastpagesent=1&Mytoken=A76FD375-42B3-4971-8BCA4AE166D496DC74007296)
Here is an example of our argument. My name is O'shay and his is Peter.
Peter (Capitalist)
Communist countries will disappear in the near future
''First of all, in terms of politics , through the history almost every communist country in the world got their powers by using violence, for example Cuba , China , Soviet Unions and so forth, After getting their powers these communist regimes controlled their countries by oppressing their people, they put their opponents into jails or labor camps, they controlled all media in which no different political opinions could be heard in these communist countries.
In short , from the collapse of the Soviet Unions to beginning reforms in a few communist countries such as China and Vietnam, communist regimes are social cancers in the world, they slow down the social progress and economy development, most people in these communist regimes want to change the regimes, they want to reform, they want to become democratic and free countries. The history will prove that these few communist countries will disapper in the world in the near future''
O'shay (Me)
''Yes Capitalism is so wonderful. Peter go tell that to the many Capitalist countries of Africa and Latin America, go tell that to the people of Indonesia ect.
There is a reason why Marxist ideology was created in the first place.
It's time you put down the U.S propaganda and read more accurate books. Capitalism doesn't always equal democracy and the living standards enjoyed by the average person in the west has more to do with the pro-Marxist labour movement of the 19th and early 20th century.
Your example about the Soviet Union is over used and poor. Within ten years Russia went from being one of the poorest countries in Europe, 100-150 years behind to being one of the most advanced and wealthiest. The Soviets downfull was not Socialism but the revisionism that it was plagued with after Stalin's death.
Your inclusion of Cuba has shown me how low you have reached. Cuba is faced with a harsh trade embargo by the US, but yet Cubans still enjoy better living standards then most other Latin and Carabien countries who practised your beloved Capitalism.
If only the Gang of Four rose to power after Mao's death, we wouldn't be having this argument. ''
Peter (Capitalist)
Are these of capitalist countries in Africa and latin America worse than North Korea?
''I have read and studied entire Marx's books when I was in college, his theory was ridiculous and impractical , the Marxist ideology can't stand the test of time and history.
Soviet Union conducted planning economy, this kind of economy had ruined Russian economy for so long, the Soviet Union only paid a close attention to its military forces, now Russia is conducting free market economy, since then Russian economy has improve a lot, ordinary people benefit from the collapse of Soviet Union.
You are kidding ? Cubans don't enjoy the better living standards, only a small number of Cuban communist elites enjoy the communist system, if the Cuban communist regime is not changed the ordinary Cubans will become poorer and poorer.
If the Gand of Four rose to power after Mao's death then many Chinese would be starving to death, China would have become poorer and poorer, China wouldn't have had somewhat prosperity and progress now. ''
O'shay (Me)
''The average African is far worse off then the average North Korean. The average Cuban does enjoy better living standards then the average person in most other Latin American countries. There is no one living in a rubbish dump in Cuba, but there sure are 100's of thousands living in rubbish dumps in Capitalist Latin American countires.
Have you ever stopped to think why more and more Latin American countries are giving up on Free Market Capitalism and becoming more Socialist?
Living standards in the Soviet Union, even right up to it's collapse are still far greater then living standards experinced in Russia today and many other former Soviet countires.''
Peter (Capitalist)
''Believe it or not some capitalist countries can be bad but they are not worse than communist countries, not all African countries are poor there are at least 14 African countries which their average living standard is higher than Chinese.
You can see countless beggars in Chinese cities , needless to say North Korea, they are starving to death, many of them escaped to China to survive.
I don't think that Cubans enjoy better living standards than the average person in most Latin America, the communist Cuba regime controll all media you can't get the real situation from their media, they oppress their people especially their oppositions, they show their high-ups with those of low-ends. I am sure that you haven't lived in any coummunit countries, you just have your illusion about communist countries.
Now only two Latin American countries are pushing toward to Socialist, if they are successful to become a pure socialist countries then they will began to drop behind the world even faster and faster.''
As you can tell he is extremly annoying and provides stupid examples.
Please help me defeat this evil troll :angry: