About the Organization of our own National Revolutiona Party

[Pere Jordi]

I have a very interesting conversation in the chat-room #marxChat about how to buil a Revolutionary Organization.

If you want and what to know about the HOW to build it, here we can have an interesting conversation.

If somebody is interested, just reply this post, and i ll do the better as possible hehhe

bye bye!!

[Len]

I am? Is it in the US??

[Pere Jordi]

sorry, whe i open this post i am not reffering to some particular case heheh

i understand so many forists are in school or university and maybe they dont have a real and practic experience about organizations...

but you can apply the same "steps" to try to build and organization in bis scale (inside your school, university, county, state...).

well, i'll wait someone who is interested about that.

bye bye

[peaccenicked]

a useful linkhttp://www.kurtuluscephesi.com/lenin/neredenen.html

[Pere Jordi]

If we considerate the posibility of unexistence of any revolutionary organization in our school, university or city, we must start to building one.

As you know, the first step must be:

1. A good teoric formation of the founders and initial militants. You must read about marxism, clasics, and (thats important) about our "enemys".

We can not defeat our enemies if we dont know them.

When you know about basic marxism, historic materialism, and dialectic laws, you can begin.

But, you can learn about that simultaneously with the conformation of a militant group, we'll called the "Basic Cell".

[bolshevik1917]

Remember though one of Marx's comments "The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other working-class parties. They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to shape and mold the proletarian movement."

In other words, starting a new party will 9 times out of 10 get you nowhere, it is tried all the time and usually these 'new revolutionary forces' become nothing more than tiny sects.

As I said in my pamphlet, it is vital to work in the traditional organisations of the working class. When workers are discontented they move through the trade unions, if this is where the workers are then this is where the marxists should be.

My organisation, the socialist appeal, takes this approach. We have branches all over the world, as many of you seem to be in the US, take a look at http://www.socialistappeal.org/sa.html. Our other main websites are www.marxist.com and www.newyouth.com

Why start a new revolutionary force when there is one in existance? get on these websites and see what you think, you could start a branch in your area, everyone of you can be a key force in the building of the organisation. We are directly conected to Trotsky himself and are just about the only group who still defend his genuine ideas worldwide.

United we are strong, divided we are nothing. Comrades we need you INSIDE the organisation, not outside.

We have nothing to lose but our chains

[Pere Jordi]

thank you very much for your message.

the real school of communism is not the university or the last marxist book. You can learn the reality of worker class only if you are a worker.

but i am not talking about the political work over the workers... not yet.

i was talking about the first steps in the conformation of an marxist cell.

Naturally, we as a new organization must need look around for another similar organization.

sometimes thay arent any leftist organization, them we must build someone. Maybe you dont understand me what i try to say :D

just remember, we can not be united if we dont exist. then we must build our organization to unite it with another similar.

i think you are too fast heheh

well, nice to have a talk with you.

bye bye!

[Pere Jordi]

well, when you thing you have "enought" knowledge (we never finish our learning process :D), if you thing you have a good basic knowledge about basic marxism, you must create an discussion group.

This group will be the first cell. This "cell" must work in the elaboration of the organization's program.

Thas the "easy" work heheh

When you have the correct international analisis, you must league that with you national reality, and you institutional reality and characteristiques (this is; you school, university, etc).

Just remember, our "neighborhood" is a part of the big sistem called World...

You need to considerate all thing about national reality. His characteristics, rules, then you can choose the correct method of fight...

well, i hope somebody can ask something about that :D

and, again, sorry about my poor englishhhhh

[antieverything]

Exactly my sentiments, Bolshevik. Another reason to work within existing working-class institutions is it allows for a more diverse, democratic organization. I strongly believe in democracy in political organizations (republicanism or anarchist style democracy is necessary at the larger, social level in order to protect individual rights as society isn't something you decide to be a part of) but what good is democracy when the organization is a small group of like-minded (often closed-minded) individuals who are supposedly working in the interests of the working class?