US invasion of Cuba

[redcannon]

I mean, cuba has oil, and we all know how the US deals with oil rich countries. Also, Cuba has been representing a large problem for US because the US can't make any money off them because of the embargo. Why woulnd't the US invade cuba? They could easily say they did it to "liberate" the people of cuba. Venezuela might speak out about it, but I'm sure China wouldn't. (what with billions of dollars of trade surplus over the US)

[Goatse]

Remember what happened last time the USA tried to liberate another country from the evil forces of communism. :rolleyes:

[TC]

Cuba is actually a net importer of oil.

And no its not going to happen, because venezuela and bolivia would engage in energy embargos on the US and cuban workers are well armed and organized and politically unified so it would be impossible to occupy it...it would be much worse than Iraq.

[wes]

Back in the 60's it was told to Kennedy there would be 20,000 casualties in the first three days of an invasion.

[Sankara1983]

It's unlikely that if an invasion of Cuba was attempted that regular military forces would be used. There's probably a better chance that a paramilitary would be formed by the exiles and would try something with CIA or other indirect US support.

[Question everything]

Reasons to Invade:

1. Oil (unless tragic clown is right)

2. (if you've ever read chomsky) Paranoia about Cuba's Philsophy Spreading.

3. Cuba is relatively defenceless

Reasons not to invade:

1. Aparently not alot of oil

2. They've been there for 40 years without any change of policy. it is hard to spread paranoia.

3. American Forces are already streached to their limits.

4. They are going to invade Iran first.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 15, 2007 12:51 am
3. Cuba is relatively defenceless
That's untrue, Cuba is very well defended.

[wes]

Cuba has a armed, mobilized, class conscious working class there is no stronger defense.

[Rawthentic]

And combined with imperialist conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, which there is no foreseeable end in sight, it would lead to great unrest and class consciousness at home.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 12:24 am
It's unlikely that if an invasion of Cuba was attempted that regular military forces would be used. There's probably a better chance that a paramilitary would be formed by the exiles and would try something with CIA or other indirect US support.
That's exactly what I was gonna say.
I doubt the US would invade Cuba, but I don't doubt they will play a huge part in post-Castro Cuba. I also doubt Fidel's death will change that much. As for what would be smart is for the US to lift the unjust embargo.

[Rawthentic]

I doubt the US would invade Cuba, but I don't doubt they will play a huge part in post-Castro Cuba
Thats contradictory. If you don't think that they will invade Cuba, then why do you think that they will shape post-Revolution Cuba?

The only way they will shape Cuba is by forcefully invading. Dumbasses think that the Cuban people are going to bring "democracy" to Cuba just like that, and ignore how popular the government is.

I mean, I have my good problems with Castro and the Cuban government, but these things just can't be denied.

[Sir_No_Sir]

I mean indirect support, as someone has already said.

[Question everything]

Originally posted by manic expression+April 15, 2007 12:54 am--> (manic expression @ April 15, 2007 12:54 am)
Question [email protected] 15, 2007 12:51 am
3. Cuba is relatively defenceless
That's untrue, Cuba is very well defended. [/b]
Sorry I suppose I mistaken there... still it's not listanding armies matter against a US invasion it comes down to the feriouscity of partisans (which I do not that Cuba will have)

[redcannon]

I think the US would play a big part in reshaping cuba after castro, indirectly. it's not like they haven't done it before (the Contras, Pinochet, etc)

[Goatse]

Even if the US won (which they probably would) imagine what the casualties would be like. Even if the people of the United States put up with another unprovoked invasion of a sovreign country, I doubt they'd put up with the casualty rates.

[Question everything]

If Bush ever attacked Cuba, he'd have to deal almost every communist in the world, who I have little doubt would swim to Cuba if they had to.

[redcannon]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 15, 2007 01:06 pm
If Bush ever attacked Cuba, he'd have to deal almost every communist in the world, who I have little doubt would swim to Cuba if they had to.
not every commie went to chile when they killed allende

[DISTURBEDrbl911]

The whole thing just seems very unlikely to me. Firstly, the US would have to gain approval from Congress before attacking, and I have a feeling that many a Senator would receive letters speaking out against it. Secondly, there doesn't seem to be a large number of natural resources in Cuba, the amount of oil there is trivial, they don't want sugar, nor cigars. Thirdly, Cuba isn't a military threat to the US . Basically, Cuba in all reality is rather trivial and insignificant to the US.

[yns_mr]

The fidelity of Cuban citizens' will prevent any possible US invasion and the Cuban army is well-unified and accustomed to guerilla war. Above all all of the Latin America countries will oppose to any US invasion.

[yns_mr]

There is one more thing to consider about; US has been suffering from the consequences of two other invasions; Iraq and Iran. If US were to invade Cuba, it would strike its economy...

[Tekun]

Therez a higher chance of an internal coup or changing of the guard sponsored by the American intelligence agencies, then an outright and full blown US military invasion and regime change
The PR of the entire scenario would disastrous for whatever admin
Though I wouldn't count it out, considering the US' reputation

[Question everything]

Besides a direct invasion of Cuba would probably piss off the Chinese.

[Janus]

With the US's current attentions diverted elsewhere, Cuba probably faces a lesser chance of US invasion since the collapse of the USSR. As far as Cuba's new oil reserves go, I don't think that the US will attempt an invasion simply to gain Cuba's resources, it would be a lot easier simply to lift the embargo and exploit Cuba economically.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 06:48 am
The whole thing just seems very unlikely to me. Firstly, the US would have to gain approval from Congress before attacking, and I have a feeling that many a Senator would receive letters speaking out against it. Secondly, there doesn't seem to be a large number of natural resources in Cuba, the amount of oil there is trivial, they don't want sugar, nor cigars. Thirdly, Cuba isn't a military threat to the US . Basically, Cuba in all reality is rather trivial and insignificant to the US.
1.)I don't think the President really does need approval, he's the commander of the military.
2.)Yeah, the outcry would be HUGE
3.)I'm ignorant as to Cuban resources
4.)Yeah, Cuba is relatively nonthreatening, by itself.



Besides a direct invasion of Cuba would probably piss off the Chinese.

And Iran, Venezuela, Russia, etc.
Maybe Saudi Arabia.
And quite possibly NAFTA allies like France and Germany and the likes.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+April 17, 2007 01:28 am--> (Sir_No_Sir @ April 17, 2007 01:28 am)
[email protected] 16, 2007 06:48 am
The whole thing just seems very unlikely to me. Firstly, the US would have to gain approval from Congress before attacking, and I have a feeling that many a Senator would receive letters speaking out against it. Secondly, there doesn't seem to be a large number of natural resources in Cuba, the amount of oil there is trivial, they don't want sugar, nor cigars. Thirdly, Cuba isn't a military threat to the US . Basically, Cuba in all reality is rather trivial and insignificant to the US.
1.)I don't think the President really does need approval, he's the commander of the military.
2.)Yeah, the outcry would be HUGE
3.)I'm ignorant as to Cuban resources
4.)Yeah, Cuba is relatively nonthreatening, by itself.



Besides a direct invasion of Cuba would probably piss off the Chinese.

And Iran, Venezuela, Russia, etc.
Maybe Saudi Arabia.
And quite possibly NAFTA allies like France and Germany and the likes. [/b]
On number 1, while the President is the commander-in-chief, the Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war. In practice, however, this can be circumvented in a variety of ways, or even outright ignored (US involvement in the Korean War, for example). Furthermore, IIRC, the President can use the Marines without any Congressional approval or permission (the War Powers Act forces him to report to Congress after 72 hours or so, but again, this can be ignored).

Also, I really don't think the Chinese would care too much about Cuba, unless China has financial stake in Cuba (which I don't think is the case).

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by manic [email protected] 16, 2007 08:49 pm
Also, I really don't think the Chinese would care too much about Cuba, unless China has financial stake in Cuba (which I don't think is the case).
China is getting half of their nickel from Cuba! And not only that, China has been investing in Cuban infrastructure.

[Exovedate]

Originally posted by yns_m[email protected] 16, 2007 09:49 am
There is one more thing to consider about; US has been suffering from the consequences of two other invasions; Iraq and Iran. If US were to invade Cuba, it would strike its economy...

What do you mean it would strike the US's economy? How much worse could they get, they are already trillions of dollars in debt.

[yns_mr]

Originally posted by Witnere+April 19, 2007 07:42 pm--> (Witnere @ April 19, 2007 07:42 pm)
[email protected] 16, 2007 09:49 am
There is one more thing to consider about; US has been suffering from the consequences of two other invasions; Iraq and Iran. If US were to invade Cuba, it would strike its economy...

What do you mean it would strike the US's economy? How much worse could they get, they are already trillions of dollars in debt. [/b]
I already mean this. They can't dare to invade Cuba...