Losing hope - will our dreams ever come true?

[mentalbunny]

[list]Over the last few weeks I have become slightly dissillsioned for various reasons:

It is increasingly obvious that the human race is irredeemably selfish and will never be capable of living in a truly socialist society without being forced to do so
it is also becoming clearer that unless drastic action is taken I will end up becoming jsut like the rest of them, in a boring job, with a boring lifestyle, etc. [list]

The world just looks like shit, the leaders are fucking it up, does anyone have a solution to help me? I'm only 16, I shouldn't be feeling his way!

[Mazdak]

Well, if the left continues to cling to pacificism, nothing we discuss hear will come to anything. Action is necessary.

The people are and always have been greedy and ignorant. The only way is force. It is that simple.

And i understand what you say, as i always think that Legacy is far more important then anything else. The goal shouldn't be to lead a successful life, it should be to lead a life that meant something or impacted to world in someway. Otherwise, 100 years from now, our names will be forgotten. Sometimes, even less. The less the left acts, the more it withers. Pacificism gets us no where.

[MJM]

The world needs our movement, without it it will end.
We're still on a razors edge with nukes and the current political situation. The enviromental damage is gonna ruin the planet in the next 50 years if it's not stopped. You can give up or hope to see a way to make a change, if we can't we're doomed.

[Xvall]

How did you make bullets?

* fff
@ fff
- fff

[Iepilei]

the more people you get, the greater advantage we have against the fascists.

KNOWLEDGE is our weapon of choice. Communists have infiltrated America; now lets let the nightmares of all the happy witch-hunters in the 50s come true. Speak to the children! Show them the truth of your words! Drown their misconceptions and destroy that barrier of ignorance. If they try to fight back - hit them with fact.

I'm going to tell you this though, debating here is only a way to sharpen your blade and hone your skills. Your real goals are out THERE.

So go, and make shit happen...

[Jaha]

mentalbunny, i know exactly how you feel. what you must understand though is that humans are the product of their upbring. greed and hate are tools that humans have been able to use successully; they are not born in us.

therefore, once the revolution has succeeded, kids will be brought up in a world with less and less hate and with a communist system, the greedy have nothing to gain.

dont give up hope. the road is arduous but once we establish the revolution, the road will be ever easier.

marx said that socialism was the inevitable future. cling to that....

[Xvall]

It is increasingly obvious that the human race is irredeemably selfish and will never be capable of living in a truly socialist society without being forced to do so[list]

The people react to what society tells them to do. People are not inheretly greedy. The only reason people are greedy is because they know that greed is the way to obtain as much 'capital' as they can, and this 'capital' will allow them to buy more things that society tells them they need to buy. Most people seek only the most basic things. Food, Housing, Entartainment. However, society tells them to buy more than they need.

[i] it is also becoming clearer that unless drastic action is taken I will end up becoming jsut like the rest of them, in a boring job, with a boring lifestyle, etc. [list]

You're probably right about that. I have a feeling that most people here will end up working for Bill Gates, or Starbucks, or the Federal Government. It's not unlikely. Why don't you avoid falling into this category by concentrating more on globalizing the movement?

[i]The world just looks like shit, the leaders are fucking it up, does anyone have a solution to help me?

Read what I said above.

I'm only 16, I shouldn't be feeling his way!

Sure you should. I'm only fifteen; there are some members of this board that are only fourteen. There is nothing wrong with feeling this way. It is good to question yourself and your intentions as to not get carried away.

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:08 pm on Oct. 21, 2002
How did you make bullets?

* fff
@ fff
- fff


Under the supervision of an adult, with the proper eye protection and always with gunpowder, a hard substance and metal.

I agree with your feelings, that what we see and what we know is not recognized by the rest of the world. It is truly a disparengly knowledge to know what is right and good for the all, and it being rejected by the uneducated masses that are currently happy having a ruling class. It is sad that freedom is taught as what you now have and not what it should be.

Times are bad, there is no doubt or question in my mind on this subject, but it gets bad like this most often when things are going best for us. Look in the 50's in the United States with the Red Scare, find out how many Communist members there were in the Uninted States, I tell you what a lot. Knee Jerk reactions like the red scare only happen when there is a real strong possibility for change. The screws tighten down only when there is a reason for the prisoners to run.

The screws are tightening faster, and it will be those actions by the ruling class and its puppets that will reveal the true faces of our oppressors to the masses. Their actions will make our words strongers in meaning.

Our part now is not a part of violence, it is only education. It is time to start being vocal, to allow those that knew no other way than the way of their oppressors, to show them other possible avenues.

It would be ridiculous with the number of people or I should say the MASS of people who do not agree currently that communism is better than the current system, to try with violence to change the current system. They simply out number us all 100 to 1 easy. And if we are wiped out, who would be left to help change when the time was even more ripe?

Now is not the time to take leave of your ideals.
Now is the time to take hold of them, for the sea of change is at hand.

[Xvall]

Under the supervision of an adult, with the proper eye protection and always with gunpowder, a hard substance and metal.

Wise ass.

[Xvall]

Ugh. Macarthyism. There was persecution if I ever heard it. Anyone who attempted to improve worker's rights had their life made into a living hell by the government. Wanna talk about Nazism? Look at the counsil of 'Unamerican' activities.

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 10:09 pm on Oct. 21, 2002
Under the supervision of an adult, with the proper eye protection and always with gunpowder, a hard substance and metal.

Wise ass.


I wasn't trying to be a wise ass sorry. I am surrounded by D&D playing, quake tournament champions, never kissed a girl, home living nerds. They would have laughed their arses off. Crap I am in hell......

[Xvall]

Don't worry. I never get angry at fellow leftists on the board! It was meant to be comical; I am not upset with you.

[redstar2000]

It's just my personal opinion but: I think it's better to spend your whole life fighting for what you WANT and fail, than it is to try for what you DON'T WANT and suck-cede.

Objectively, people always look stupid and fucked-up in periods of reaction...LIKE THIS ONE. History also suggests that in revolutionary periods, people look and act very differently indeed.

Whether you will live long enough to see such a period cannot be known in advance; but you can yourself do the right thing REGARDLESS of the outcome. I think the right thing is obvious: fight for what you really WANT!

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 12:16 am on Oct. 22, 2002
It's just my personal opinion but: I think it's better to spend your whole life fighting for what you WANT and fail, than it is to try for what you DON'T WANT and suck-cede.

Objectively, people always look stupid and fucked-up in periods of reaction...LIKE THIS ONE. History also suggests that in revolutionary periods, people look and act very differently indeed.

Whether you will live long enough to see such a period cannot be known in advance; but you can yourself do the right thing REGARDLESS of the outcome. I think the right thing is obvious: fight for what you really WANT!

Q. what do i want?

answers on a postcard to:
lost and confused (aka mentalbunny)
che-lives.com
the world wide web

Seriously, why do we bother.

[BOZG]

I'm pretty sure that every person on this board has doubted themselves at one time or another but hopefully you're doubting will just make your beliefs stronger. Sometimes we all think "Why do we bother?" but there has to be something that makes us forget about that and want to continue the struggle.


it is also becoming clearer that unless drastic action is taken I will end up becoming jsut like the rest of them, in a boring job, with a boring lifestyle, etc.

I'd say the majority of people on this board feel like that especially the younger members. Don't worry about it. If you remain strong you will not.

[honest intellectual]

Will our dream ever come true?
#Not with an attitude like that, comrade! ;)

[Mazdak]

Quote: from exploitedclass on 10:21 pm on Oct. 21, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 10:09 pm on Oct. 21, 2002
Under the supervision of an adult, with the proper eye protection and always with gunpowder, a hard substance and metal.

Wise ass.


I wasn't trying to be a wise ass sorry. I am surrounded by D&D playing, quake tournament champions, never kissed a girl, home living nerds. They would have laughed their arses off. Crap I am in hell......


I qualify for all of those things. Nerd and proud.

[Jaha]

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:32 pm on Oct. 22, 2002

Quote: from exploitedclass on 10:21 pm on Oct. 21, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 10:09 pm on Oct. 21, 2002
Under the supervision of an adult, with the proper eye protection and always with gunpowder, a hard substance and metal.

Wise ass.


I wasn't trying to be a wise ass sorry. I am surrounded by D&D playing, quake tournament champions, never kissed a girl, home living nerds. They would have laughed their arses off. Crap I am in hell......


I qualify for all of those things. Nerd and proud.

i salute a fellow nerd! never give up your nerdism! (is that a word)

[CompadreGuerrillera]

we will succeed because we have to the world will end if we dont!! i am very proud to be a revolutionary and i have tremendous hope for our cause, it will be hard for sure, but in the end we will prevail!

[RGacky3]

the world needs another great depression, then people will see how capitalism fails. Then Communism will take over.

[MattTheKat]

Mentalbunny... its called teenage angst and the answer isn't to overthrow the government and replace it with that handy dandy "dictatorship of the proletariat." In 10 years you won't be a communist you'll probly be a conservative and alot less of a whiner too. Also, everyone on this board is all talk and no walk. Why haven't any of you joined guerilla groups to fight the man? Everyone always says "pacifism will never work action is required." Oh yeah I forgot nows not the right time! You all just want the glory of being the underdogs locked in struggle, nothing more. I hate you.

[DKAnarchy53]

Quote: from MattTheKat on 12:53 am on Nov. 11, 2002
Mentalbunny... its called teenage angst and the answer isn't to overthrow the government and replace it with that handy dandy "dictatorship of the proletariat." In 10 years you won't be a communist you'll probly be a conservative and alot less of a whiner too. Also, everyone on this board is all talk and no walk. Why haven't any of you joined guerilla groups to fight the man? Everyone always says "pacifism will never work action is required." Oh yeah I forgot nows not the right time! You all just want the glory of being the underdogs locked in struggle, nothing more. I hate you.
why did you come here if all you are going to do is bash us

[MattTheKat]

'Cus I hate you

[DKAnarchy53]

Quote: from MattTheKat on 2:33 am on Nov. 11, 2002
'Cus I hate you
i hate you but im not going into a cappy meesage baord and insulting them

[MattTheKat]

Hah thats the thing. I don't think most capitalists create message boards so that they can feel righteous about their radical cause about oppression. Besides, you'd probly have more fun if you did go troll around anyways. And you know everything I said is true, you don't believe your own bullshit, thats cool though yer still in school kickin' it young style.

[Jaha]

maybe you're right, matt. maybe we dont believe, maybe we are all just looking for attention. maybe we are pitiful teenagers who only turn to communism because it is iconoclastic. isnt that sad?

what if you are right, the world is screwed. doesnt that suck?

i hope you are wrong, but you not be.

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from MattTheKat on 2:57 am on Nov. 11, 2002
Hah thats the thing. I don't think most capitalists create message boards so that they can feel righteous about their radical cause about oppression. Besides, you'd probly have more fun if you did go troll around anyways. And you know everything I said is true, you don't believe your own bullshit, thats cool though yer still in school kickin' it young style.


Why bother listening to you? You don't know me, I don't know you, so you can't say.

I cannot live in a world where people are starving, and I'm jsut hoarding my money, buying designer clothes, or even not designer, just using money and craving money. there'smore to life than that.

I DON'T NEED MONEY

[redstar2000]

If I must choose, I'd rather listen to teenagers "whining" about capitalism than listen to 30-somethings whining about teenagers.