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[Tommy-K]

A lot of people know the 14 rules of fascism:

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. Supremacy of the military
5. Rampant sexism
6. Controlled mass media
7. Obsession with national security
8. Religion and government are intertwined
9. Corporate power is protected
10. Labor power is suppressed
11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
14. Fraudulent elections

I always use these rules to show people that Bush is a fascist and that his government conforms to every single one of these rules, but nobody ever takes me seriously. So here is a site with evidence to back up each point.

George Bush and the 14 Points of Facsism (http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm)

[Aurora]

Fascism is petty-bourgeois reaction to large working class organisation.The USA dosnt have large working class organisation.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/wo...44/1944-fas.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm)

Good book if your interested "Fascism: what it is and how to fight it"

[The Grey Blur]

Even if you were correct, what would be the use in applying the label of "fascist" to Bush?

We should simply argue that Bush is the figurehead of a capitalist ruling-class, dedicated to safe-guarding and expanding the exploitation which they profit from.

You're replacing though-out arguments with knee-jerk labels.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 06:09 pm
Fascism is petty-bourgeois reaction to large working class organisation.The USA dosnt have large working class organisation.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/wo...44/1944-fas.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm)

Good book if your interested "Fascism: what it is and how to fight it"
I'm not sure if that's correct. I don't think Japan had much of a labor movement, did it? Fascism is simply the overtly exposed dictatorship of the bourgeiosie.

[Tommy-K]

Fascism is:

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. Supremacy of the military
5. Rampant sexism
6. Controlled mass media
7. Obsession with national security
8. Religion and government are intertwined
9. Corporate power is protected
10. Labor power is suppressed
11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
14. Fraudulent elections

All of which I think you'll find America fits into.

[YSR]

Fascism is not just some 14 points. I've seen these 14 points a million times and can't find their source.

[RedArmyFaction]

i didn't need that site to prove bush was fascist. i knew it anyway

[Dr Mindbender]

Im pretty sure for a state to be labelled 'fascist' it needs to actively expatriating or exterminating all those who don't fall into a particular race and/or accepted social orientation. Bush may be pretty right wing, but he's still got a bit to catch up with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco or Pinochet.


BTW Please tell me this doll is a spoof!!! :wacko:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/images/bushdoll.jpg.

[Comrade Nadezhda]

President Bush is definitely a fascist. He's Hitler in disguise ;)

[bolshevik butcher]

Bush isn't a fascist, he's a particularly reactionary leader of an imperialist nation. Bush represent the clear will of the ruling class in America, but he is not a fascist. Fascism is a quite clearly defined thing, a radicalised petty bourgoirse movement, a fascist government is a period in which the ruling class due to crisis allows this movement to rule for it. This is not the case in America.

[Eleftherios]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 23, 2007 05:14 pm
Bush may be pretty right wing, but he's still got a bit to catch up with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco or Pinochet.



Agreed, Bush is not Hitler of Mussolini. Sure, he may be a right-wing reactionary, but by overusing the term you might be lessening the impact of it and hence playing right into the hands of reaction. For example, if I call any Republican or Bush-supporter a fascist the emotion attached to the word is gone and when it is time to point out the real fascists people might not take me that seriously anymore.

[rebel_lord]

Originally posted by Alcaeos+July 02, 2007 03:15 am--> (Alcaeos @ July 02, 2007 03:15 am)
Ulster [email protected] 23, 2007 05:14 pm
Bush may be pretty right wing, but he's still got a bit to catch up with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco or Pinochet.



Agreed, Bush is not Hitler of Mussolini. Sure, he may be a right-wing reactionary, but by overusing the term you might be lessening the impact of it and hence playing right into the hands of reaction. For example, if I call any Republican or Bush-supporter a fascist the emotion attached to the word is gone and when it is time to point out the real fascists people might not take me that seriously anymore. [/b]


Well fascism has to have an extreme racist movement. I know all nations-governments are racists, but fascism has to have an extreme, and excess of racism, eugenics, etc.

rebel_lord

[Axel1917]

I agree with Anarion and Bolshevik Butcher; there is no mass petty-bourgeois basis for Fascism in the USA. I feel that people should do more research into what fascism really is.

[Wanted Man]

I'm not sure who made up those 14 points, but they're definitely not marxists! Dimitrov put it best:


Comrades, fascism in power was correctly described by the Thirteenth Plenum of the Executive Committee of the Communist International as the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital.
http://marxists.org/reference/archive/dimi.../1935/08_02.htm (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm)

While the US is surely imperialist, holds some very chauvinist views, and a reactionary wave has been spreading across the country (and the entire west!) recently, the US is not an "open terrorist dictatorship". The US is still a bourgeois democracy.

This discussion has been done on Soviet-Empire in the past, where someone discussed every point. It's a good read:

http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopi...p=532570#532570 (http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?p=532570#532570)

[Tower of Bebel]

Maybe bonapartism would fit better?