What would you rather be... - ...a depressed human or a happ [Archive]

oconner

11th October 2002, 16:48

that is very deep.
I would probably be a human. If you were a pig you couldn't do anything much which would change anything, if that makes sense. Although I would be depressed at least there would be more purpose to my life than being a pig and just going through the system of being born, eating a lot and then getting eaten. Although maybe the first two is what happens to most humans. Hmmm....thought provoking.

LOIC

11th October 2002, 16:57

In my opinion the worst animals on earth are humans.
It seems that humans just know how to destroy.
They kill other animals, they kill other humans, they destroy their planet. Of course there are exceptions but I really think that this planet would be a better place without humans.

Exploited Class

11th October 2002, 17:10

I'd be an otter. They play all day and work very little, and the little bit of work they do is playful work.

My second choice would be a jaguar or lion, so I could go eat the otters that I couldn't be. It would all be out of jealousy and spite plus some misdirected anger. Also if I was a lion, I could eat people too unless I was a zoo lion then I am screwed. But there hanging in there is a lingering thought that I could escape and eat people. Not kids mind you, except maybe the spoiled ones.

Mazdak

11th October 2002, 19:36

happy pig, unless i was raised on a farm....

Marxman

11th October 2002, 21:02

I'd be.............a depressed human. I mean, I am a lot of time depressed, so I'm used to it

new democracy

11th October 2002, 21:08

i would be.......i wouldn't :biggrin:

sypher

11th October 2002, 22:33

Quote: from LOIC on 4:57 pm on Oct. 11, 2002
In my opinion the worst animals on earth are humans.
It seems that humans just know how to destroy.
They kill other animals, they kill other humans, they destroy their planet. Of course there are exceptions but I really think that this planet would be a better place without humans.

yes I agree with that completly. Humans are more like a virus or on going forest fire that destroies everything it is in contact with. Without humans I really don't see any real problem with earth. sure, someanimal would become extinct that, if humans were around would not be but, think of how many MORE will become extint before we are gone. I say the tiger is next (which deeply sadens me.)

as for the question of happy animal or depressed human? I'd go with depressed human because it is a life I already know and have adapted to

Ymir

11th October 2002, 23:16

Pig. Definetly a pig. They have 30minute orgasms.

new democracy

11th October 2002, 23:34

i would like to be a hawk.

canikickit

12th October 2002, 01:15

If you are a happy pig, you are condemned to a life of eating your own shit.
If you are a depressed human, there is still hope for you.

I don't really think there is a proper answer for the question, both are so different. Sometimes I think it would be great to be a cat (or whatever, but not a pig), but the benefits of rational thought and reasoning are far greater than having no worries.

mentalbunny

12th October 2002, 14:02

exploitedclass:
I'd be an otter. They play all day and work very little, and the little bit of work they do is playful work.

My sister's favourite animals are otters!

My own answer to my own question is I'd rather be anything but a human, top of the list would be non-existant and I know a few people how don't like my opinion. I do try to enjoy life but as good as it can be, I'd still rather not experience it at all. Is this bad of me? I guess it depends on what you think is "bad".

The problem with humans is that we think we are gods, yet when something goes wrong we say, "we're only humans, it's not our fault we are born fallible." This disgusts me, yet I cannot help but feel useless and cannot help striving for perfection, in my work, in my treatment of others, in my physical abilities. This leads to disapppointment and depression when I get things wrong, my mum's attitude does not help either. Apparently i should change to make myself more acceptabel to other people, because depressive socialists are difficult for spoilt capis to cope with.

Humans are selfish in a way that is different fomr the selfishness of animals. We fight for power over land in a differnt way to terratorial lions for exapmle. They only fight the male, not any females or cubs on the land, yet humans attempt to wipe out everyone for power.

Ideally I would be an outdoor reared pig, plenty of food and mud, then I die and get eaten by someone who wants to eat a pig that's had a decent life, no problem.

Another possibility is to be a worker ant, the only problem is that of a predestined life.

Lardlad95

12th October 2002, 17:14

I'd be a muthafuckin sloth how could you not be happy sleeping 23 hours a day and eating that other hour taking a shit every two weeks thats the life

Guardia Bolivariano

13th October 2002, 21:32

I've never met a pig that was happy.Juging from the fact that they're obese and are born to be turned into beacon.I prefer to be depresed but alive lol.

MJM

13th October 2002, 21:54

I like humans, it's the greedy system that I hate and how it brainwashs masses of people into it's way of life.
Human for me.

bluerev002

14th October 2002, 23:43

id rather be a happy human, it seem almost impossible but when you think about it, the only ones who really get us deppressed and angry are OURSELVES. i mean some of the ppl are obsed with being accepted by others, and when we are not good enough, we beat ourselves down, punish and hurt ouselves. no one has ever condemed us to an unhappy life, so we have a choice to be a happy human or a sad one. since i had no choice of what i wanted to be in life i think i atleast have a choice on how im gonna live the life i have been gave.

a pig is very strange, they give birht and the babies get taken away, all they do is continue eating. pigs are too dumb to know what happy is.

i read this book and in it it says:

if you were to spend hours and hours in front of the mirror fixing your hair, and when you walk out someone tells you that you have stupid looking hair, you emmideately feel bad, anger pumps into your vains like venom and the poison makes us hurt. of course we could have avoided all of this by just ignoring that comment by a stranger or even your friend. you had no purpose lettin that comment gettin to you, and you had no reason to suffer.

so in a way, you were the one who hurt yourself, by taking the the comment personally.

its a really interesting theory.

mentalbunny

15th October 2002, 13:54

I see what you mean bluerev, but I disagree, I think it's human nature to take it personally, we can't help it, to not be hurt would be completely insenstive to everything.

I'd stick with my previous feeling of rather being an animal, as stupid as possible in fact.

bluerev002

15th October 2002, 23:04

its human nature because thats been what yoiuve been doing all your life, its how you were brough up and what youve been thinking all your life.

break away from your belifes and start with this new one. avoid feeling unnesecary pain and sufferment. its hard but its a prosses, i know ive been a little hapier since if started practising this little tecnice (i cant spell) along with others shown in the book

Felicia

18th October 2002, 23:44

I'd rather be a happy pig :) But then I wouldn't be very happy because those damn humans keep fuckin eatin us! I'd like to be something simple, but has a relatively long life span, hmmm, a human sounds good :)

Nic8

19th October 2002, 01:01

I'm sure having 30 minute oragsisms would be worth eating your own shit. Maybe that's gods way of making everything ballence out. Wait a sec, that doesn't make sence, I'm an atheist. If humans didn't eat me, I'd deffenetally be a pig with the 1/2 hour orgasisms...that would make it all worth while, even eating my own shit.

Wouldn't it be a good thing to not have rational thought? I mean you could do what ever the hell you want (could you want if you didn't have rational thought?), without needing an excuse or justification.

honest intellectual

19th October 2002, 18:45

Quote: from Ymir on 11:16 pm on Oct. 11, 2002
Pig. Definetly a pig. They have 30minute orgasms.
Why the fuck are they so depressed?

"It is an important and popular fact that things are not always what they seem. For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons. "

- Douglas Adams

IHP

20th October 2002, 02:18

humans are like parasites, they kill and expand.

i think i'd be a koala. they're almost as slow as sloths, they sleep most of the day, take a break from sleeping to tuck into some gum leaves. then after your hour break to eat some leaves, slip back into a wedge in the tree and sleep some more.

--IHP

James

20th October 2002, 02:20

i'd be bacteria

similar to what i am now, yet less "complex"

Jaha

20th October 2002, 04:13

people call me a "communist pig". does that mean i can be a happy "pig" and still be human? i hope so.

bluerev:
"if you were to spend hours and hours in front of the mirror fixing your hair, and when you walk out someone tells you that you have stupid looking hair, you emmideately feel bad, anger pumps into your vains like venom and the poison makes us hurt. of course we could have avoided all of this by just ignoring that comment by a stranger or even your friend. you had no purpose lettin that comment gettin to you, and you had no reason to suffer."

expanding on this, a friend of mine once said, "everyone chooses what moves them. you can go through life not letting anything touch you, but you should let some things touch you."

bluerev002

21st October 2002, 04:40

yes you should let somethings touch you, but is it really important to let what other ppls thoughts harm you? i mean, some one once said, "he broke my heart" but was it really them? i mean she could have just let that simple little comment fly by without notice, but she chose to catch it insert the venom of hate into her vains like a drug that made her suffer hurt and all this hate arouse and she spent days crying over a stupid little comment...........why? why the heck should ppl let those little things affect them?

touched, ill let somethings touch my soul, but these things must be important things, things that i know wherent just made to make me suffer.......why should i suffer, if i dont have to? why? i dont know about you but im sick of it

Mazdak

21st October 2002, 19:56

Jaha, thats funnu as capitalists are usually referred to as "capitalist swine" or "capitalist pigs."

mentalbunny

21st October 2002, 20:21

imagine how nice it would be to never have exsisted...

Jaha

21st October 2002, 21:16

mazdak, the people im around have a mere US education. their social studies classes are crap. cut them some slack. ha ha ha ha ha ha....

Felicia

23rd October 2002, 00:23

Quote: from Nic8 on 9:01 pm on Oct. 18, 2002
I'm sure having 30 minute oragsisms would be worth eating your own shit.

:o Really? Shit! Oh well, at least women can have multiple orgasms :biggrin:
I'm not quite sure which would be better though, hmmm.

Mazdak

23rd October 2002, 00:42

amazingly, i agree with Mb on the greatest pleasure being to simply disappear from history entirely. To just vanish into thin air, to be an "unperson"and never to have existed. Thus saving one from the pains of death and the sufferings of life. Life is a ***** and then you die.

that will be all.

bluerev002

23rd October 2002, 04:19

well, if you never existed and you never were born you wouldnt get to taste the nice air in the morning or laugh the little happy laughs that we get, boy if yoiu ppl are so damn depressed why dont you just shoot yourselves. gee if yiour dead you wouldnt get to have yoiur 30 minute orgasm that you love so much, I AM DEAD!! I AM UNNOTICED AND I LURK IN THE UNKNOWN I DONT REALLY CARE AND I KNOW THAT I AM GONNA BE IGNORED AS ALWAYS IN THIS SITE

canikickit

23rd October 2002, 05:30

TheUnknown

23rd October 2002, 10:55

Sometimes you are too down to even get out of bed or eat breakfast. You can see the sunshine on the trees and the blue sky, you can hear the birds, but it just makes the pain caused by the bad stuff even more acute. This world is full of shit, even though there is good stuff as well, it is negligable (sp?) compared to the bad.

I agree with Mazdak and mentalbunny, to have never existed would be perfect, suicide is just second best but i plan to take action as soon as no one will miss me...

bluerev002

24th October 2002, 01:48

first off i say, welcome unknown,

second, id like to say, why do you ppl eat all thes shit that ppl throw at you? sure sometimes it does get to you, and your rope can take so much weith till it breaks. but you DONT have to eat all the shit they throw at you

CommieBastard

25th October 2002, 23:31

dead

Lardlad95

28th October 2002, 02:59

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:42 am on Oct. 23, 2002
amazingly, i agree with Mb on the greatest pleasure being to simply disappear from history entirely. To just vanish into thin air, to be an "unperson"and never to have existed. Thus saving one from the pains of death and the sufferings of life. Life is a ***** and then you die.

that will be all.

I'm starting to be convinced that you are a coldheartless miser who can never experience joy

God damn you need some pussy...and soon

mentalbunny

28th October 2002, 10:12

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 2:59 am on Oct. 28, 2002

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:42 am on Oct. 23, 2002
amazingly, i agree with Mb on the greatest pleasure being to simply disappear from history entirely. To just vanish into thin air, to be an "unperson"and never to have existed. Thus saving one from the pains of death and the sufferings of life. Life is a ***** and then you die.

that will be all.

I'm starting to be convinced that you are a coldheartless miser who can never experience joy

God damn you need some pussy...and soon

By that last comment, I assume you mean sex makes it all better, but that doesn't work for me,. Maybe it's just different for guys and girls, but getting together with the last guy didn't make much of a difference to my overall state (maybe because I was drunk and had never met him before). Sex is not a miracle cure for feeling suicidal.

However, I do agree that Mazdak appears to be incapable of any positive feeling, are you ever happy????

Felicia

29th October 2002, 00:35

Quote: from bluerev002 on 12:19 am on Oct. 23, 2002
I AM UNNOTICED AND I LURK IN THE UNKNOWN I DONT REALLY CARE AND I KNOW THAT I AM GONNA BE IGNORED AS ALWAYS IN THIS SITE

I don't ignore you! If it'll make you feel better, you can be my latino translator ;)

bluerev002

29th October 2002, 02:21

Quote: from felicia on 12:35 am on Oct. 29, 2002

Quote: from bluerev002 on 12:19 am on Oct. 23, 2002
I AM UNNOTICED AND I LURK IN THE UNKNOWN I DONT REALLY CARE AND I KNOW THAT I AM GONNA BE IGNORED AS ALWAYS IN THIS SITE

I don't ignore you! If it'll make you feel better, you can be my latino translator ;)

reeeeeeeeeeeeally?!! :cheesy:

DKAnarchy53

2nd November 2002, 05:34

i already am a depressed human being so i will try the pig

boadicea88

2nd November 2002, 06:03

I'll take pig, they are actually as smart as chimpanzees, you obviously don't know that.

But not existing would be a lot better... or existing far, far away from everyone and everything...

As far as suicide goes, I'm more into hanging myself... I'm a wimp. Besides, I can't get a gun.

mentalbunny

2nd November 2002, 22:57

Quote: from boadicea88 on 6:03 am on Nov. 2, 2002

As far as suicide goes, I'm more into hanging myself... I'm a wimp. Besides, I can't get a gun.

Well if we're going to discuss methods of suicide, I reckon overdosing on pain killers would be mine, or jumping out of a window, or both. Hanging isn't my style.

DKAnarchy53

3rd November 2002, 02:41

if i were to commit suicide i would probably slit my wrists since im into knifes

mentalbunny

3rd November 2002, 11:53

Quote: from DKAnarchy53 on 2:41 am on Nov. 3, 2002
if i were to commit suicide i would probably slit my wrists since im into knifes

In what way are you interested?

I couldn't slit my wrists, my relationship with sharp objects is differnt, they give me pleasure so I couldnt use them to show how depressed I was, I f this makes any sense to you. They symboplise getting through the shit, if I use them I can carry on so therefore I can't kill myself with them. However that's irrelevant as at the moment I have no plans to kill myself.

sugarcandy113

3rd November 2002, 13:20

To never have existed would have been good. But depressed human, i dont think i'd like to roll around in shit very much. and you experience so much more as a human.
As for suicide, im with mentalbunny on that one, overdose on painkillers cause i wouldnt have the courage to slit my wrists or hang myself.

KickMcCann

4th November 2002, 05:40

Depression is a choice. An unconcious choice, but still an aspect thay every individual has the opportunity and power to change. Your preception and your reality can sharply contrast. To really know reality, you must momentarily let go of everything; your hopes, dreams, fears, sadness, loves, hates, desires, thoughts, knowledge. You must surrender all of those concerns to nothingness, and attempt seeing the world from an un-knowing, neutral ground. See the world through everyones shoes, and no ones shoes.
Anyway, I think I'd like to be a bird or a squirrel. A bird can fly, and a squirrel just plays around all day with other squirrels. Humans have to worry about wars and taxes and the future. Birds and squirrel live by the moment and are free.

mentalbunny

4th November 2002, 14:13

Quote: from KickMcCann on 5:40 am on Nov. 4, 2002
Depression is a choice. An unconcious choice, but still an aspect thay every individual has the opportunity and power to change. Your preception and your reality can sharply contrast. To really know reality, you must momentarily let go of everything; your hopes, dreams, fears, sadness, loves, hates, desires, thoughts, knowledge. You must surrender all of those concerns to nothingness, and attempt seeing the world from an un-knowing, neutral ground. See the world through everyones shoes, and no ones shoes.
Anyway, I think I'd like to be a bird or a squirrel. A bird can fly, and a squirrel just plays around all day with other squirrels. Humans have to worry about wars and taxes and the future. Birds and squirrel live by the moment and are free.

Interesting theory about depression, and sounds pretty accurate, but it's incredibly hard to let go, I'll let you know when I succeed, if ever.

KickMcCann

5th November 2002, 00:01

I succeeded. I used to be heavily depressed. I seriously considered suicide as one of my options but I stopped doing was what making me depressed. I sat myself down every night and tried to work out my problems, it was a big challenge but I made the effort. That took alot of self-examination, kind of like being your own psychiatrist. I kept a journal during my dark times and every now and then I read from it, I was pretty messed up from what I can tell.

mentalbunny

5th November 2002, 14:11

Well it depends on what is depressing you, my problem is that it stems mainly from an event in my family a few years back. My brother had a sex change and is now my sister, it would have been easier except my parents were really against it and that for some reason has given me a lot of shit. I've got problems with my own sexuality through that, and other things have contributed to my state. Also I am naturally very emotional so I find it hard to just sit back and examine things. Any advice?

Jaha

5th November 2002, 21:39

i like your idea, KickMcCann. it reminds me of myself. trying to solve your problems by being your own psychiatrist and such. it has become confusing. trying to figure out why you think something, why you did something, what would you do if..., etc. not much into the writing thing though.

my big problem is that i keep second guessing my conclusions. i mean, im no psychiatrist. and there are too many dead ends. questions without answers. the unexplainable.

atheism doesnt work. well, not that it is supposed to "work", just, it isnt very motivating.

sugarcandy113

5th November 2002, 22:15

im having problems working out what is bothering me so much just now.(im not depressed, as far as i know)
I'm really pissed off at everything right now and i really don't know why.
When i think about it all i can think about is whatever im staring at or people askin me about it and then i get all confused and its really bugging.

Wenty

5th November 2002, 22:50

tis the pangs of youth methinks

bluerev002

6th November 2002, 01:40

heres somthing for you bunny, look at the world.
who is more interesting, males or females?
i dont know, that would be a big thing if it happened to me, so i probably have no say in this, and what i do say, might not be very good. but again, u really have to see the way that these things go, thats the way the cooky crumbles. its an obstacle, and your being enslaved by the fear of it all. make a revolution, within yiourself and make the hurt stop.

how old are you? i dont know, but its been shown that when ppl get out of their teenage years they dont see things as right and wrong anymore, some things are just gray, there is no right or wrong in that place.

i dont know why i typed that.

boadicea88

6th November 2002, 01:47

Quote: from DKAnarchy53 on 6:41 pm on Nov. 2, 2002
if i were to commit suicide i would probably slit my wrists since im into knifes

So am I, I just don't want someone to have to clean up after me. :P

bluerev002

6th November 2002, 01:47

oh come on alll you ppl, why are you saying things like that? suicide?
how can you guys look up tho ppl like CHE and Zapata and others when you yourselves dont even want to try to fight. all the battles that they had, they first had to fight fromt the inside, all of them, all of them had obstacles in their lives, but they overcame them. you guys have a few obstacles and want to give up!! how dare you call yourselves revolutionaries and want to help ppl when you cant even handle and help yourselves?!!

(Edited by bluerev002 at 1:53 am on Nov. 6, 2002)

KickMcCann

6th November 2002, 02:14

Bluerev:

Do I sense a bit of insecurity in talking about what makes up your thoughts and emotions? I know it's a little out of place to be talking about our psychological issues on a leftist-political forum, but we all have our problems and internal conflicts to deal with. If you can't deal with your own struggles, how can expect to deal with those of the entire world?

mentalbunny:

You are You; you are not your sibling, you are not your parents. They have their opinions and choices, and you have yours. Your sibling is his own person and has the right to make his own choices in life. If your parents don't like it, then so what? It was his choice and he has to live with it, your parents don't. They just have to do the parent-thing in loving and supporting their kids.
In regards to you, make up your own mind and don't worry what other people think; if you're straight, gay, bi, or whatever; it's your life; not your parents. If you have questions about your life, then live your life and you will eventually figure out the answers along the way.
Now lets get back to crushing imperialism!:biggrin:

mentalbunny

6th November 2002, 21:40

Thanks guys, I'd jsut like to say one last thing.

last year my best friend (who I was also in love with)was really depressed so I spent all my time worrying about him, and forgot myself, it was my way of runnning way form my problems. You can fight battles even if you can't handle yourself, it's escape in some way and you carry on living, burying your shit, but one day it comes up, mine came up cos my friend left my school and now he's miles away, I hardly ever see him and i miss him loads but now i have to face my problems staright on, and that's far from easy.

Now we can get back to thrashing capis.

bluerev002

8th November 2002, 01:24

a little out of place? what do you mean this whole freaking thread is about you thoiughts and emotions on being a human being and dealing with the problems or being a pig and just live what we think is a happy life. isnt it what im supposed to write? what i think about something, they give me a topic i put down what i think about it.

AND WHAT DA HELL DO YOU MEAN? FIRST YOU TELL ME OFF, THEN YOU OFF TELLING METAL BUNNY ON WHY YOU THINK HER MUM AND DAD DO THINGS~!!!

and i think i put this stuff down to maybe help someone, but no, i guess its not wanted IS IT?

go back to fighting imperialism just dont forget to take yourself when you go.

KickMcCann

10th November 2002, 04:57

What I meant was that this entire discussion wasn't the usual kind you would find at this site, not the individual remarks made in it, they all fit the discussion.

I wasn't trying to insult you, I was just commenting about how you retracted everything you had said in a later post, which is no edited.

And I have no problem with your advice for her, it was good, and I'm no expert on therapy so who am I to judge? You made a good point about Che and Zapata too.

It's kinda strange, we were both trying to help her, but everything got fucked up in the process.

bluerev002

10th November 2002, 05:04

blame the internet... its all its fault.

*gun* *trigger* *pop*

mentalbunny

10th November 2002, 12:08

Maybe this isn't the usual thread, but I think it belongs here. Thanks for your help, guys, it's appreciated. At the moment being human is ok, althoguh very painful, but in a way it's worth it. I don't think any other animal can love the way a human can, and at the moment the love is making alot of difference. (see http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1634&start=10 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=17&topic=1634&start=10)).

bluerev002

13th November 2002, 06:42

yes, to love is such a wonderfull fealling.

this is one of my thoughts i have written down in a little book:

love can take you to many places. it takes you on its back and it takes you up to the sky. you trust in love, so it takes you higher, and higher. hte more you love the more you trust, the higher and higher it goes. but all good things must come to an end, and it will let you drop. the higher you rose, the higher you'll fall. and it will hurt... oh so much hurt!!! to fall from so high.

i dont know if it sounds like a poem, but its not supposd to be one. loving is such a wonderful fealing, but5 getting dumped by someone you love, or having them not return your love. well that just hurtrs a lot.
sound strange coming from a guy i know. ive been told tha tmany times.

i think this might change the thread into a new direction but hey, loving just as well as hating and feeling pain is a part of being human too isnt it? i mena animals cant do such a thing, dogs just go get laid by theri own brothers, and its always teh battle of the alfa male who and not the one with the thouhts who gets da girl in the animal kindgdom.

we have to look at all sides of the thing.