Problems in Communism?

[Capcomm]

What do you think might be problems that will be faced once communism is in place? And how can they be dealt with?

[Boriznov]

I believe there will be people trying to take over our society and set a dictatorship in place (if they succeed).

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 06:14 am
What do you think might be problems that will be faced once communism is in place? And how can they be dealt with?
I guess demographic growth, and the only way I see to solve the problem is some sort of birth controle?

[Johann]

I've always wondered what we'd do with any weapons that were left over.
If there is a threat of people trying to set up some kind of dictatorship, it would be irresponsible to take them away and have them destroyed. But at the same time if everyone had access then we would be effectively arming the opposition.

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 01:07 pm
I've always wondered what we'd do with any weapons that were left over.
If there is a threat of people trying to set up some kind of dictatorship, it would be irresponsible to take them away and have them destroyed. But at the same time if everyone had access then we would be effectively arming the opposition.
But what would the opposition be like? Former 'bourgeoisie"? Fascists? Would the opposition be strong enough to destroy communist society?

[Issaiah1332]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 12:22 pm
I believe there will be people trying to take over our society and set a dictatorship in place (if they succeed).
Although I think that is always going to be something that has to be watched out for; I think that will have to be watched more closely in the stage of socialism (Mainly from the proletarian) and the early points in Communism. I think that once Communism is in effect and has been in effect for sometime, future generations will be much more accustomed to it, and less likely to worry about overthrow.

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by Issaiah1332+April 10, 2007 02:20 pm--> (Issaiah1332 @ April 10, 2007 02:20 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 12:22 pm
I believe there will be people trying to take over our society and set a dictatorship in place (if they succeed).
Although I think that is always going to be something that has to be watched out for; I think that will have to be watched more closely in the stage of socialism (Mainly from the proletarian) and the early points in Communism. I think that once Communism is in effect and has been in effect for sometime, future generations will be much more accustomed to it, and less likely to worry about overthrow. [/b]
Especially if there's the stadium of 'socialism', not every sign of capitalist society (like the State, or like money and maybe the army) will be abolished.

[Johann]

I dont think that they would be strong enough, or that that there would be suitable conditions for them to set up anything long term. I was thinking along the lines of what wingsomega said, but i dont believe they will represent too great a threat and will eventually fail, whether they are fascists, former bourgeoisie or whatever.

How do you think anti-communists and the like would react to finding themselves in a communist society?

[Issaiah1332]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 02:55 pm
I dont think that they would be strong enough, or that that there would be suitable conditions for them to set up anything long term. I was thinking along the lines of what wingsomega said, but i dont believe they will represent too great a threat and will eventually fail, whether they are fascists, former bourgeoisie or whatever.

How do you think anti-communists and the like would react to finding themselves in a communist society?
Well, that depends. If it is a Cappie that could be working class, but a supporter of capitalism, even in the free market sense, he would probably act much like we do. He would probably organize to bring about a capitalist society, and he would probably argue the same way we would. He would probably say that Capitalism is the way of the future, and that by not allowing capitalist ideas to have a chance, he is being oppressed. This idea would raise to a small sect of capitalists and many more would join leading to a class, not necessarily economic, but ideological. This capitalist would say that by this oppression a new idea would rise and go into affect. He would say that capitalists will soon seize power...and with that put in a a free laissez-faire market.

I think that we need to ask ourselves, is it possible that we could do a 180 and go back to where we were?

I am not supporting capitalists in any way, I am just providing a different point of view.

[Boriznov]

If that capitalist would be able to organize a group of cappies and that group has enough arms to overthrow us, i wouldn't be suprised a 180 would happen. Like johan said we would still need weapons to arm ourselves against enemies of society but the enemies would also be able to get weapons if it is accesible to everyone. You wouldn't be able to spot a capitalist just on it's views or his position in society. As the cappie group would be underground. We would have to be very protective about this.

[Issaiah1332]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 04:04 pm
If that capitalist would be able to organize a group of cappies and that group has enough arms to overthrow us, i wouldn't be suprised a 180 would happen. Like johan said we would still need weapons to arm ourselves against enemies of society but the enemies would also be able to get weapons if it is accesible to everyone. You wouldn't be able to spot a capitalist just on it's views or his position in society. As the cappie group would be underground. We would have to be very protective about this.
Yes, but you can't take arms against someone for doing nothing but thinking. In his mind he might just think that a free market is fair, and such.

[RNK]

No, you can only enforce the laws that prevent them from enabling such exploitation. The only way it can be sustainable is by complete education of everyone; otherwise, attempts to supress would-be capitalists would create a false sense of oppression, which would naturally be played upon by those would-be capitalists. Killing them would simply make them martyrs. The people need to be able to decide for themselves that capitalism is wrong; then they themselves will act.

[Boriznov]

In my situation i meant that the cappies would be using violence to try to overthrow the communist society.

[KurtFF8]

Well I'm sure that if communism is actually in place, the problems would for the most part be local problems to be dealt with by respective communities.

Although I'm sure there could be problems with former Bourgeoisie and such.

[Janus]

There will still be conflict or tensions between various groups of course, that's probably something that will never go away. But as far as major political or economic problems go, I can't really think of any nor do I think it's worthwhile to prophesize on such matters atm.

[Lenin II]

By far the biggest threat to the far-left is a "Stalinist" regime.

When a revolution occurs and the ruling party is removed or the entire government overthrown, a power vacuum emerges. The above listed philosophy fills that vacuum, leaving none for the people. They are ruled by the political elite, usually at the disadvantage of the general populace. This is exactly the sort of thing Communism wants to eliminate. In essence, you end up replacing one oppressive class of people with another. All you managed to bring about was a name change. It is a prime example of what authoritarian communist regimes bring about. Just look at Mao. He had the Cult of Personality but never the ability to properly carry out his philosophy. The Cultural Revolution resulted in countless deaths, arrests, imprisonments and great repression and oppression.

When speaking of a leftist revolution, we must avoid any notons of an oppressive fascist-socialist state such as the People's Republic of China.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

I think that the main idea is to proliferate is the notion that we must no longer listen to higher authorities and figures, who only mislead.

Because what is a fascist, or a capitalist, or a stalinist, if nobody wants to fight for him anymore?

[phoenixoftime]

I would hope that a communist society could protect itself from counter-revolution through hegemonic means, rather than violent ones.

[Capcomm]

well, im not worried about so much about "opposition" groups, in fact i think if there is an opposition then let them preach whatever it is they want....they will be a small minority after all

im more interested in the system itself...like for example, in order for communism to function there would have to be the reign of the machines in order to produce all the surplus needed in order to not work...so what if we become so freaking dependant in these machines? Isn't it a little scary to you guys? Its scary as it is how dependant we are on computers imagine everything else....and what if a certain machines fail etc... it can be catastrophic....

also, how will we deal with rapists, murderers etc..? Lets be frank and straight to the point here, the truth is there won't be a lot of people wanting to become judges or detectives or prosecutors etc...after all isn't this part of the "capitalist society"?? So im left with a "wtf" kinda of question in my mind you know? Ill be glad if someone addresses this issue