Another topic for Atheism

[Ymir]

I think anti-religion could be a grand new trend in the United States. We've been fed "One nation under god" all that but I believe if we put the message out, todays youth would support an atheist movement. Our incompetent administrations and corrupt religious orders could fuel some long-repressed teenage anger. The goth subcultures have been successful with this.

So what do you think, Is the "Anti-Christ" gonna be whats cool? If so, can we use it to pull the next generation into Stalinism?

[LeninCCCP]

why stalinism? isnt atheism good enough?

[Ymir]

You can't have too much of a good thing :D
http://www.thephora.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=25754

[Cassius Clay]

Erm, not to be offensive but the last thing Stalinism (or any of the left) needs is to cause the rise of the fucking antichrist. I mean Stalin is portrayed bad enough in our history books, it ain't gonna look good when some nutters soldiers go pillaging, raping, burning their way across Europe/Middle East in the name of 'Marx, Lenin and Stalin. Now Comrades let us exterminate those evil Zionists, those American Imperialists and those reactonary Muslims. All will bow to me (insert evil laugh here)'.

Now personaly I wouldn't mind seeing the end to all the above, but within reason (no evil laugh will go down well). And there's also propaganda, your suppossed to be liberating everybody not shooting them because they might not agree with this Antichrist fellow (let's call him George).

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Ymir on 2:24 am on Oct. 9, 2002
I think anti-religion could be a grand new trend in the United States. We've been fed "One nation under god" all that but I believe if we put the message out, todays youth would support an atheist movement. Our incompetent administrations and corrupt religious orders could fuel some long-repressed teenage anger. The goth subcultures have been successful with this.

So what do you think, Is the "Anti-Christ" gonna be whats cool? If so, can we use it to pull the next generation into Stalinism?



like thats really gonna take off in the south/bible belt

Stop trying to opress people

[Exploited Class]

So what do you think, Is the "Anti-Christ" gonna be whats cool? If so, can we use it to pull the next generation into Stalinism?



like thats really gonna take off in the south/bible belt

Stop trying to opress people


How is that trying to opress people?

[PunkRawker677]

Not all athiests become stalinists. Athiesm would probably catch on as a bullshit trend, but as Lard said, try saying a word about athiesm in the south. (well, all the south except south florida)

[Iepilei]

forced Atheism in the bible belt.

You're better off just lynching yourself, cause I'm going to be straight-forward. I live in the bible belt, and it's a shock when you meet someone who has NEVER met an:

- Atheist
- Agnostic
- Muslim
- Hindu
- Buddist

these people are so closed off to the world it's not even funny. Besides, we want to express individual freedom whilst squelching the bourgeoise tyranny through economy.

Atleast that's what I was under the IMPRESSION Marx supported.

[LeninCCCP]

that's what purges are for.
AND...Fuck all the religions that teach intolerance.
that includes anything that worships the:
Old Testament
New Testament
Koran
Whatever the Satan thing is
they all teach intolerance, who cares about their afterlife anyway? i know i dont. Lets take care of today tommorrow and the next day fuck heaven fuck hell they dont exist.

P.s. there are exceptions to the rule, not all people who read the books i listed above are intolerate only the organized religions who act as shitty half ass communist dictatorship's

[Mazdak]

Hehehe. I agree 100% with Ymir. And i have that "State knows best" pic saved. Who knew a capitalist piece of shit could be so good at making our propoganda?


I am happy to see more people seeing things my way now. For drastic situations one must have drastic measures.

And Cassius Clay, that is a good example. We don't want to be thought of as some group of "Dr. Evil trying to take over the world and destroy it" kind of people either. That doesnt attract many followers.

But Stalinism is attractive towards the youth because they are so... against the conservative values of their parents. Most of them anyway. Stalinists should profit off the dissent amongst young people.

[redstar2000]

"Stalinism is so appealing to youth because it's against their parents' conservative values" Heh, heh!

This the same Stalin that abolished abortion in the USSR in 1936?

This the same Stalin that launched a big pro-Eastern Orthodox Church campaign in the late 1930's?

Or who said that "the factory worker should tremble when the works manager comes on the floor"?

Or who had a new patriotic anthem written to replace the Internationale?

And who decided to call World War II "the Great Patriotic War"?

Forget the kids! Go after the parents! They'll eat that shit up and ask for seconds!

[Mazdak]

Get your propoganda straight. According to the same bullshitters who say that, (the EAstern Orthodox church campaign) also say he had Christians purged and oppressed.

Stalin abolished abortion? This i am not too sure of. If he did, there was good reason. He needed all the man power he could get.

[Iepilei]

manpower... yeah that's the same reason the right-wingers don't allow abortions.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be DEAD soldiers.

(Edited by Iepilei at 3:53 am on Oct. 10, 2002)

[Ymir]

Fuck the bible belt. That's our bumper zone for when the yankees invade the south. Lets kill the yankees and bible-huggers with one war!

[Mazdak]

Quote: from Ymir on 4:11 am on Oct. 10, 2002
Fuck the bible belt. That's our bumper zone for when the yankees invade the south. Lets kill the yankees and bible-huggers with one war!

I'd be pretty happy if you were serious. But i can't tell. Are you?

[Iepilei]

I'll take Hitler for $100.

Yes let's just kill all the Christians, so that when 50 years down the road the new bourgeoise society will have yet ANOTHER stigma to place upon Communists.

you guys are really a trip.


(Edited by Iepilei at 5:30 am on Oct. 10, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

This thread is like something out of the twilight zone.

[Ymir]

Once the 2nd civil war occurs the yankees start taking towns and enforcing military law in the south and the population will be so driven to survive that they will forget about god and washing their hands after they piss. Plus I could burn some churches and blame it on soldiers, then the people will have no where to worship and it will be easier to forget. Melt religious icons and necklaces for spare metals, etc..

"I'd be pretty happy if you were serious. But i can't tell. Are you? "

Yes.
Seriously.

Iepilei,
I don't need to have every one of them killed, just enough to make them lose faith in their god.

[Mazdak]

Use mercenaries.

Ymir is now a true hero.

It isnt hitlerish, just a great way to unite everyone 50 years down the road. People would all be non religious, so no one would worry about stem cell research and abortion as against some invisible man's will.

Use force. Use fear. Vlad the Impaler style. It doesnt matter how it sounds, it is for the benefit of all in the future.

[Ymir]

Arg you give things such a negative connotation.

[Mazdak]

who me?

[Ymir]

Yes. You must learn that there is a political side of war. People care about how you describe things, they shouldn't but they do and that must be dealt with.

[LeninCCCP]

Mazdak i find myself aggreing with you from time to time and you would make and great right hand man behind the scenes but you would be unable to represent the movement as a public spokesman, you have to be able to tell the people what they want to hear or else they wont follow. Someday i hope to help create the counter movement in the western U.S but i can only be one of the stepping stones to a Utopian society hopefully when the economy bellies up i well show my people the hypocricies of "our" government and lead them towards a socialist revolution, and if this were to happen i would intrust people like you Ymir and you Mazdak to help lead the people to their destiny. AND hopefully Not stab me in the back like what has happened to so many revolutionary leaders before.

Yet...this is only a dream that will probably never be realized..........

[Iepilei]

you people have such an interesting concept of the way things work... to much focus on mechanics and not enough of humanity.

You kill people for their beliefs you're only going to ground them further.

Just look at us communists.

To lead people you have to know how people think. You're not leaders of anything. You're kids with toys - like GWB and all his corporate cronies.

Let the people believe in their deities. Hell, if it will maintain some form of control and structure I'm all for it. People are more prone to worship something of their imagination than they are another human. That's because in a democratic society as such, no man should have to bow before another.

Seperate religion and state (completely). Keep it like sexuality - non of anyone else's buisness.

[Mazdak]

Well, its not like a stalinist revolution is happening anytime soon, so i can say what i like. I am simply being realistic. Sure painting the situation in a less "brutal" way would work fine, but who cares? No one here who doesnt support stalin already is about to "convert."

aS for telling people what they want to hear, people are generally wicked, greedy, and arrogant. Who cares what they want to hear? They have no idea what benefits we could bring to them.

[Ymir]

Iepilei your concerns are well-founded. Do not worry, The Stalinists will have full support of the public when we take power :P
Mazdak I suggest you be a central planner. We need think-tanks of men for the coming revolution....no matter how ar away it is.
LeninCCCP I would never kill a true ally. But I must first determine if that is what you would be.

(Edited by Ymir at 12:02 am on Oct. 12, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Ymir on 12:00 am on Oct. 12, 2002
Iepilei your concerns are well-founded. Do not worry, The Stalinists will have full support of the public when we take power :P
Mazdak I suggest you be a central planner. We need think-tanks of men for the coming revolution....no matter how ar away it is.
LeninCCCP I would never kill a true ally. But I must first determine if that is what you would be.

(Edited by Ymir at 12:02 am on Oct. 12, 2002)



full support of the public? Hahahahahahahahaahah (points at stalinists) aahahahahahahahahaahahah


I'm sure the public will love being shot on site for saying one little negative thing about you.

And I'm sure parents will love you taking their kids away

and I just know teh exile thing is going to take off

[Mazdak]

lol

i'd rather be routing out enemies of the people. the Commissariat of Internal Affairs

[LeninCCCP]

Im no stalinist but im all for the destruction of capitalism.
But let the people talk because im sure that they will never have a plan of action. So a quick uprising of public opinion would probably never happen.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:07 am on Oct. 12, 2002
lol

i'd rather be routing out enemies of the people. the Commissariat of Internal Affairs


Hey mazdak don't forget you promised me a job as head exocutioner because of my creative execution methods

[Ymir]

LardLad you could TALK their heads off :P

[Mazdak]

lol. There are about 5 of you competing for that position. Whichever one "gets rid of" the other 4 wins and becomes head executioner :D

[Ymir]

With all those numbers you sound like some kind of democratic marxist! Prove your faith and kiss Stalin's feet! Kiss them!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:52 am on Oct. 12, 2002
lol. There are about 5 of you competing for that position. Whichever one "gets rid of" the other 4 wins and becomes head executioner :D


(Lardlad grabs other four and impales them with a giant toothpick)

Lardlad: now wheres that giant?

Giant: right here Lad

Lardlad: i brought you a kabob(motions to other four on giant skewer)

Giant: thanx(eats other four)

Lardlad: now mazdak about the head executioner

[Mazdak]

lol.