Castro

[Comrade_Scott]

Some people on this site keep saying that if Che were alive he would puke at the way cuba has turnedout. Some even call into question Castros lefttism(is he isnt he) what i think is that he is a true socialist but a nationalist (nationalist first) and thats why he has exiled the people that he has because they were not true nationalists. i belive that Che was the ultimate socialist and castro strongly wanted to follow but his love for cuba his homeland superceded that i dont see that in Che.

what do you guys think?

[Organic Revolution]

I think Fidel was an opportunistic nationalist-revolutionary who jumped on the bandwagon of Che's popularity.

[Comrade_Scott]

:lol: thats another way of putting it, however i still belive he has stronger nationalistic views and really seeks to help the poor

[RNK]

Ur, actually, if anything, Che jumped on the bandwagon of the 26th July movement's popularity. Che didn't become popular until the ending phase of the Cuban revolution, and immediately afterwards.

Anyway, who's to say Che didn't puke while he was still alive?

[Question everything]

Castro is the best thing we got left leave him alone.

[Rawthentic]

maximum leader
Wow, there. Easy.

[Janus]

I'm not sure how different Cuba would be had Che survived but given the economic restrictions placed on it as well as the lack of much economic development/support after the USSR, I don't think Che's Cuba would've turned out much different.

[Capcomm]

Castro, hehehe interesting guy, whoever from the left support him is downright idiotic or very extreme, which we have them , those Marxist Lenninist and others who have no idea of what Marx really talked about or taught...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNfWPYiBDXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoG2BXiT5Q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ven8_mrtYZY

^^^ if you don't think there has been something going wrong after watching these videos there is defenitaly something wrong with you..its very sad, it seems as if there is not enough "money" or "resources" to fix all those buildings and streets that look like they were Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and Castro would love to tell you its the embargo, but the embargo doesn't stop the hundreds of hotels for turist only, in Cuba popping up everywhere....Cuba is one of the most opressed countries in the world, no freedom of speech/press no liberty basic human rights, so i don't know how anyone can support a man like Castro really

[RNK]

With all due respect, Capcomm, that is propaganda that has obviously been developed by anti-Castro Cubans who fled the revolution. You can hardly take those as any true account; I could take a video camera to parts of the United States and make the US look completely like a 3rd world country, where everyone lives in filth without electricity and running water, who shit in pales and all that.

You are simply repeated many of the baseless accusations that anti-Communists say about Cuba. If you'd actually taken time to research Cuba from an un-biased angle you'd realize that many of your assertions are false. Cuba is not perfect -- it's not even fully socialist -- but it is not some oppressive police state where dissidents are sent to gulags for having long hair. Case in point, you're regurgitating the claim that Cuba has no "freedom of speech/press" -- because there are no privately owned newspapers run by millionaire conglomerates? Cubas press is democratically controlled by workers and student unions, universities and other public groups -- private ownership is illegal. No liberty or basic human rights? Cuba's electoral system is far superior to that of contemporary Western federal systems -- it generally follows the same template, however, forming parties is illegal (as it should be -- political parties are monoplizations); candidates can not spent millions of dollars, as they do in the US, on massive campaigns. Candidates in Cuba do not receive a paycheque; their political duties go above and beyond their regular work. They volunteer from the community, who are given relevent information on candidates for elections. No human rights? On the contrary Cuban law is geared so that no man can exploit another (although, as most of us have seen, this law isn't foolproof, and many exploit the system to gain higher status than others). Private ownership is illegal (as stated). You may see this as "oppressive", but if you honestly do, I don't think you're a Marxist.

Anyway, like I said, it's not perfect. But please try harder not to be so submissive of right-wing anti-communist propaganda. In that last video, some obvious non-Cubans are talking about their low wages -- one makes nothing, the other makes 90 pesos but "will' be making 250 pesos. I can only assume that both of them are students. In any case, that's pretty well-off (hell, comparitively, 250 pesos is more than I make in Canada!).

[UndergroundConnexion]

If only Cuban economy worked better, the island would be an fantastic place to live. Morally and socially everything is in place, just the economy doesnt work, because of the gringos.

[Tommy-K]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 01:55 pm
If only Cuban economy worked better, the island would be an fantastic place to live. Morally and socially everything is in place, just the economy doesnt work, because of the gringos.
The reason Cuba's economy is in such a state is because of the economic sanctions impose on them by the US. America don't like the fact that Castro is running a left-wing government that is too powerful for them to overthrow so instead they use political methods to keep them poor.

Just further emphasises how disgusting and brutal the US really is.

Other than the economic problems, Cuba is an amazing country. Good education, amazing healthcare.

And seeing as the economic problems are in no way Castro's fault, I'd say he is probably the greatest leader this world has ever seen. (but then, being a Castroist I would say that :P)

[UndergroundConnexion]

Originally posted by Tommy-K+April 10, 2007 02:06 pm--> (Tommy-K @ April 10, 2007 02:06 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 01:55 pm
If only Cuban economy worked better, the island would be an fantastic place to live. Morally and socially everything is in place, just the economy doesnt work, because of the gringos.
The reason Cuba's economy is in such a state is because of the economic sanctions impose on them by the US. America don't like the fact that Castro is running a left-wing government that is too powerful for them to overthrow so instead they use political methods to keep them poor.

Just further emphasises how disgusting and brutal the US really is.

Other than the economic problems, Cuba is an amazing country. Good education, amazing healthcare.

And seeing as the economic problems are in no way Castro's fault, I'd say he is probably the greatest leader this world has ever seen. (but then, being a Castroist I would say that :P) [/b]
ye that's what I meant when i reffered to the gringos... the americans are fucking it up.

[Capcomm]

With all due respect, Capcomm, that is propaganda that has obviously been developed by anti-Castro Cubans who fled the revolution. You can hardly take those as any true account; I could take a video camera to parts of the United States and make the US look completely like a 3rd world country, where everyone lives in filth without electricity and running water, who shit in pales and all that.

propaganda? ohh so thats what it is now is it :lol: ohh yeah than go ahead and show me these so called videos of the streets in the US where there are no electricity and running water and the buildings look like they dropped an atomic bomb, please indulge me....in fact even if you go to the "ghettos" you will find the people with Escalades with 24 inch rims right on their parkin lot , please stop being so naive and face the reality....the fact of the matter is that Cuba is like that everywhere, not just the streets of that video.

let me guess is this propaganda too? =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITBqRSMBWaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6livwPnGI

"ohh yeah i can go to a
street in US and film just that" yeah right :rolleyes:


You are simply repeated many of the baseless accusations that anti-Communists say about Cuba. If you'd actually taken time to research Cuba from an un-biased angle you'd realize that many of your assertions are false. Cuba is not perfect -- it's not even fully socialist -- but it is not some oppressive police state where dissidents are sent to gulags for having long hair. Case in point, you're regurgitating the claim that Cuba has no "freedom of speech/press" -- because there are no privately owned newspapers run by millionaire conglomerates? Cubas press is democratically controlled by workers and student unions, universities and other public groups -- private ownership is illegal.

anti communists? Cuba is not communist first of all, the people might not even care about politics but about the reality, dude you understand that the overwhelming majority of those who have been to Cuba who know Cuba and the Cuban people are pretty much against everything you have said.

You are right dissidents are not sent to gulags for having long hair, but let them criticize the government and watch what happens to them. Who says that freedom of speech and press has to be a private newspaper runned by a millionare, boy you have a twisted outlook in the world man. Can a writer for Granma write his own personal opinions ? OF COURSE NOT! It is all scripted its so damn obvious, gee isn't it ironic that the same freaking stances are taken towards each damn issue and the US, you must be the most naive person iv ever spoken to with all your respect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_sans_fronti%C3%A8res

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indices_of_freedom

i suggest you take a look at these my friend ^^^

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAM...open&of=ENG-CUB (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250012001?open&of=ENG-CUB)

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Human Rights Watch states that "Although in theory the different branches of government have separate and defined areas of authority, in practice the executive retains clear control over all levers of power. The courts, which lack independence, undermine the right to fair trial by severely restricting the right to a defense." and "The government also imprisons or orders the surveillance of individuals who have committed no illegal act, relying upon provisions that penalize “dangerousness” (estado peligroso) and allow for “official warning” (advertencia oficial)."[2]"

" Amnesty states that "All human rights, civil and professional associations and unions that exist today in Cuba outside the officialdom of the state apparatus and mass organizations controlled by the government are barred from having legal status. This often puts at risk the individuals who belong to these associations of facing harassment, intimidation or criminal charges for activities which constitute the legitimate exercise of the fundamental freedoms of expression, association and assembly."[6]"

"The Cuban authorities only recognize a single national trade union centre, the Confederación de Trabajadores Cubanos (CTC), heavily controlled by the State and the Communist Party which appoints its leaders. Membership is compulsory for all workers. Before a worker can be hired they have to sign a contract in which they promise to support the Communist Party and all it represents. The government explicitly prohibits independent trade unions, there is systematic harassment and detention of labor activists, and the leaders of attempted independent unions have been imprisoned. The right to strike is not recognized in law.[7][8][9]"

can you possibly say as a sane person that i hope you are and intelligent that you are allright with all of this ? ^^^


i mean c'mon "controlled by the workers and students", are you actually that dillusional that you believe that? Humm yet again ironic that no "opposition" articles have been made from the thousands of workers and students that have left the island year after year, come on its common sense.



No liberty or basic human rights? Cuba's electoral system is far superior to that of contemporary Western federal systems -- it generally follows the same template, however, forming parties is illegal (as it should be -- political parties are monoplizations); candidates can not spent millions of dollars, as they do in the US, on massive campaigns. Candidates in Cuba do not receive a paycheque; their political duties go above and beyond their regular work. They volunteer from the community, who are given relevent information on candidates for elections. No human rights? On the contrary Cuban law is geared so that no man can exploit another (although, as most of us have seen, this law isn't foolproof, and many exploit the system to gain higher status than others). Private ownership is illegal (as stated). You may see this as "oppressive", but if you honestly do, I don't think you're a Marxist

Yes it is so far superior that a dicatator has ruled for 40 years thats how successful and democratic it has been <_< Forming parties should be illegal? Monopolizations, yeah like the so called Communist Party of Cuba you mean right, thats the biggest monopoly there is in Cuba. Jesus your middle name should be NAIVE&#33; Millions of dollars on campaings what does that have to do with anything? Does that guy from the Varela Project have to spend any money in campaigning? Of course not, since when are there presidential elections in Cuba in which the citizens go and vote for a president, who are you kidding. Private ownership is surely illegal, if you are a farmer the cows and horses in your farm don&#39;t belong to you, they belong to the government :angry: gee its a freaking subsitance farmer for god&#39;s sake&#33;&#33;

Who are you to tell me whether im a Marxist or not, you obviously have no knowledge of Marxism, any true Marxist who understands Marx knows that Cuba and all of the previous revolutions have done nothing but done harm and smear the name of Marx with the shit that we all see and hear about these totalitarian leaders. You obviously have no idea of Marx, what is so Marxist about Castro&#39;s Cuba? Thats the question i want you to anwser me, you obviously have the false illusion like most people who are not even Marxists that "private ownership" means your car your home etc... I wish Marx had said it in another way in order to not confuse people like you, private ownership was meant by Marx the ownership of the production which in this case is owned by the Cuban government. Havana Club rum is distributed by a French company in Europe, did the Cuban workers decide this? NO&#33;&#33;&#33;



Anyway, like I said, it&#39;s not perfect. But please try harder not to be so submissive of right-wing anti-communist propaganda. In that last video, some obvious non-Cubans are talking about their low wages -- one makes nothing, the other makes 90 pesos but "will&#39; be making 250 pesos. I can only assume that both of them are students. In any case, that&#39;s pretty well-off (hell, comparitively, 250 pesos is more than I make in Canada&#33;).

Your surely dillusional, try to learn more and not be so submissive of left wing wackos that plague our side and have done nothing but harm to our credability, its people like this that keep stagnating our progress.

Funny how you didn&#39;t address my part about the embargo.

[seraphim]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 08, 2007 07:46 pm
I think Fidel was an opportunistic nationalist-revolutionary who jumped on the bandwagon of Che&#39;s popularity.
UH........ No&#33; Sorry but Che would have been nothing without Castro he would have never been heard of. If he had joined the revolution without Castro he would have either died or failed much like he did in every other attempt he made at revolution after.

My previous article onthe subject (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34700)

[Robo the Hobo]

Capcomm your wrong...

My personal opinion is that castro is the greatest thing that happened to cuba. You know, about him being a dictator... At least he isn&#39;t supported by america. He tried to run for government with a load of other people, in I think it was the &#39;orthodox party&#39; who wanted more oppeness from the government, but do you know what happened? The other party decided &#39;heck, lets just become a dictatorship :redstar2000:. This was a rather terrible dictatorship, killed students ect. but to cut a long storry short, after some time (and after being joined by Che) and with the help of the people he managed to get controll back of the country.

I love freedom of speach as much as anyone else here. But frankly, that is a luxury cuba cannot aford. They would suffer too much from american backed facists, (as they already do.) You do not sound to me like a marxist, although I see where you are coming from even though you are wrong in so many respects.

This was a great video about him for anyone who is interested.
Fidel the untold story part 1 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7412746284254207344&q=fidel+the+untold+story+1+of+3)

Long live Castro&#33;

[RNK]

I&#39;m glad to see that you are so willing to swallow up the accusations of a pro-Western "non-profit organisation", Capcomm. Tell me, do you even question AI, at all?

Also, your complete rejection of the idea that America is anything but "perfect" reveals your incredible aptitude for swallowing capitalist bullshit wholesale.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/portrait_of_black_chicago/images/chicago_ghetto.jpg - South Side Chicago, 1973

http://www.eco-absence.org/stl/mcree/0408/042.jpg
- St Louis

http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/photos/uncategorized/ghetto.jpg - Unknown

New York, 1980s-1990s:

http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-00080.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03199.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03196.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03472.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03474.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03197.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03475.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-00087.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03379.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-03376.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-00025.jpg
http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/mediums/usa-00107.jpg

I think my point has been made.



ohh yeah than go ahead and show me these so called videos of the streets in the US where there are no electricity and running water and the buildings look like they dropped an atomic bomb, please indulge me

See above. Note the lack of escalades and 24-inch tire rims.

Your criticisms of Cuba and the United States are utterly ignorant, Capcomm. I, for one, am ashamed that someone claiming to be a leftist is so blatantly ignorant of the reality just around the corner, who so easily, readily and unquestioningly swallows right-wing bullshit.

[Capcomm]

Robo the Hobo i will excercise my full rights as a citizen of the free world and respect your opinion although i obviously don&#39;t agree with them.

and RNK thank you for your pictures, of course i can argue that some don&#39;t even look like from the USA , but i won&#39;t be so naive i trust you...but a couple of things i will point out is, how about actually posting pictures from 2000 and up dude, not pictures that are 30 years old for god&#39;s sake lol...and most of the places you showed look abandoned with no population in the buildings..

anyways, no you have not made any points, posting pictures of abandoned buildings from the 60&#39;s is far from any point, how about tackling all the issues and points i made in my previous post ;)

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Tommy&#045;[email protected] 10, 2007 09:06 am
The reason Cuba&#39;s economy is in such a state is because of the economic sanctions impose on them by the US. America don&#39;t like the fact that Castro is running a left-wing government that is too powerful for them to overthrow so instead they use political methods to keep them poor.
Yes, but also it is because of the inefficiencies in their planning.

If you want to industrialize a country in the way that the USSR industrialized, then you have to be realistic in setting your goals, you have to be comprehensive in setting those goals and you have to be making long-term deals with other countries (if you lack natural resources) to obtain the resources for industrial manufacturing to commence.

Cuba&#39;s economic planning needs to improve, that is, it has to be reoriented towards an outward-based, import-substitution industrialization strategy and workers need to be in direct control over that planning, not participation in the form of a whole bunch of unions.

I think the workers would manage and plan the economy better than the state ever would.

[Capcomm]

Yes, but also it is because of the inefficiencies in their planning.

If you want to industrialize a country in the way that the USSR industrialized, then you have to be realistic in setting your goals, you have to be comprehensive in setting those goals and you have to be making long-term deals with other countries (if you lack natural resources) to obtain the resources for industrial manufacturing to commence.

Cuba&#39;s economic planning needs to improve.

Well said. The thing was that Castro was so deeply blinded by the USSR that he though the USSR would last for ever and everyone else was an enemy and so on...hahaha he shit his pants in 1990&#33;&#33;&#33;

[RedStaredRevolution]

now i dont know much about fidel (even though i&#39;d like too) so i wont comment on that. but capcom if you really think america is that wonderful try driving through the neighborhoods outside new orleans. i was there only last week and its still in shabbles. america is no where near as perfect as you think it is. wake up.

[Comrade_Scott]

capcom how can you insult the man fidel like that with no proof?yea the man has repressed free speech but it is needed, plus look at the positives he has brought, better health and education engineers, i mean we in jamaica are greatfull to him for sending doctors during huricane ivan even when cuba was totally fucked, so yea he has his faults who dosent but the positives supercide them. p.s the U.S is shit compared to cuba nobody should die because of no health insurance, thats fucked up and shows how bad the us is.

[Capcomm]

Why do you guys think im somehow Captain America defending America or what not? :huh: Im not worried about America, the poorest bastard here has what the richest person in Cuba doesn&#39;t even dream of..

Of course New Orleans fucking sucks, but its the people themselves, look at them, they are uneducated fools who do nothing to better themselves and their community..

Look at these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcCXqit4oEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwCymQeX054

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98G9HhJc9xc

These videos are appalling how these god damn idiots live and treat their community and this is the stuff they teach, funny how the NAACP never addresses them and instead is worried about an idiotic radio personality talking about "nappy haired hoes" :rolleyes:


capcom how can you insult the man fidel like that with no proof?yea the man has repressed free speech but it is needed, plus look at the positives he has brought, better health and education engineers, i mean we in jamaica are greatfull to him for sending doctors during huricane ivan even when cuba was totally fucked, so yea he has his faults who dosent but the positives supercide them. p.s the U.S is shit compared to cuba nobody should die because of no health insurance, thats fucked up and shows how bad the us is.

No proof? First of all do you know how to read? Yeah i believe i made a pretty big post with all the pooof you need buddy, and second of all where exactly is your proof? :blink:

REPRESSING FREE SPEECH IS NEEDED&#33;&#33;&#33; ????? :wacko: <_< Pleas explain yourself&#33;

[RNK]

Thank you, whoever restricted this ignorant fuck.

[Robo the Hobo]

the poorest bastard here has what the richest person in Cuba doesn&#39;t even dream of

That is wrong. You have realy poor people in america, people who dont get healthcare and who starve on the streats. Cuba has free health care. It also has free education to a UNIVERSITY level. It was a poor country once, but it has become a beacon of hope for the world. So please, dont compare a country like america that kills and murders and steals from other countries to make its riches to an honest country that has made itself through hard work.

I will say it again. Cuba is the greatest thing we still have, and we can not let that be lost just to freedom of speach. If they allowed it, then Cuba would probably be destroyed by america. As for freedom of speach in america... just look at the media. It is a complete joke. A complete cess pit of propeganda. You dont even need to be a socialist to see that.

Vive Fidel&#33;

[Inithias]

there&#39;s a lot of fcking poverty in America ya know..
and it&#39;s not because ppl are uneducated

[Karl Marx's Camel]

With all due respect, Capcomm, that is propaganda that has obviously been developed by anti-Castro Cubans who fled the revolution. You can hardly take those as any true account; I could take a video camera to parts of the United States and make the US look completely like a 3rd world country, where everyone lives in filth without electricity and running water, who shit in pales and all that.


:lol:

With all due respect, your comment is pathetic. Propaganda??

I&#39;ve seen worse in Havana myself. In the neighbourhoods, beyond the main streets. I am tempted to say the person holding the video camera showed a prettier part of Havana, since a lot of it was taken in the main streets.

It was a perfectly fine video.


Morally and socially everything is in place, just the economy doesnt work, because of the gringos.

False.

[UndergroundConnexion]

No , true.

An average Cuban has better values then the average European or average Yankee

[Karl Marx's Camel]

An average Cuban has better values then the average European or average Yankee

What the hell is this, nationalist pseudo racist crap? One thing I have reacted to in regards to the Castro fanatics is how some of you treat the Cuban people as some ubermenschen. Really how brainwashed is it possible to become?

One can say a lot about values in Europe and in the U.S., but it is at least not common for the boyfriends watching tourists make out with their girlfriends and sit in the living room while tourists sleep with their girlfriends in the bedroom, and accept it, as long as they get a piece of the tourists money. Often they present themselves as the brother or cousin.

There are good points and bad points in regard to Cuban mentality, but if you do not admit that in general Cubans has a huge problem in regards to values you are either brainwashed or you are simply ignorant.


I ran a check on his IP, and he is posting from Miami, Florida, home of the gusanos, a/k/a the mostly white group that fled Cuba after the revolution because they couldn&#39;t exploit other Cubans for their own profit anymore.

Is it a crime, to reside in Florida?

I hope not.

Because last time I checked it was "Workers of the world, unite&#33;", not "Workers of the world excluding those residing in Florida, unite&#33;"

[UndergroundConnexion]

what do you mean "pseudo nationalist crap"... If 50% or something of a country watches fox news to get informed then there is something terribly wrong with thhe ethics and value..

How long have you stayed in Cuba, how many Cubans do you actualy know?
I went there and I spoke with pro and anti Fidel peeps. Also I am in contact with Cubans living abroad, and most of them still have respect for Fidel...

You always repeat that "boyfriend watching while girlfriend makin out blalabla" , I can think of loads of countries where that could happen.. And plus I think that is really not something common.

And the fact of living in Florida can affect somebodies thought about an issue.

[Lenin II]

Fidel Castro has overseen various economic policies leading to the rapid centralization of Cuba’s economy, land reform, collectivization and mechanization of agriculture, and the nationalization of leading Cuban industries. The expansion of publicly funded health care and education has been a cornerstone of Castro’s domestic social agenda.
Their constitution outlines rights to work, social security, protection, safety, hygiene, free medical and hospital care, free education, freedom of speech, rights to assembly, freedom of religion and conscience, and the right to legal defense.
Cuba ranks better than many countries, including the United States, among world countries on the United Nations’ List of countries by infant mortality rate, which is claimed by Castro’s supporters as a success of his regime.

Despite this, we have tried to assassinate Castro 638 times over 40 years, apparently to save America from their…cigars, free healthcare and ridiculously high literacy rates.

[Inithias]

are those the only reasons why America wants to kill Castro ?
&#39;cause it&#39;s f*cking ridicilous. But it wouldn&#39;t be weird of those are the only reasons why... America you know :^)

Greetz.

[Coggeh]

I&#39;m sick of all this bashing of Fidel i see on all spectrums , besides the fact that he&#39;s done wonders for Cuba as a Nation , he has time and time again supported revolutions in other countries , especially in Africa , just look at Angola , the MPLA were surronded by the FNLA,UNITA and the south Africans the MPLA begged for some aid off Fidel . The foreign affairs minister at the time put it "we begged Fidel for a packet of candy , Fidel gave us 80pounds of Sugar and all the right mixers if you know what i mean"

He flies in the face of American imperialism time and time again and has been a thorn in their side for the last 48years.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 04:26 pm
He flies in the face of American imperialism time and time again and has been a thorn in their side for the last 48years.
Anyone who does that is OK in my book...and I&#39;m American&#33;