shadow of stalin...

[R_P_A_S]

well i dunno... just more fucking anti-communist propaganda&#33; <_<

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[Rawthentic]

I hate that shit, like I hate Walt Disney. They try to equate Stalin with socialism, but don&#39;t realize that they are two opposite poles.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 05:58 pm
I hate that shit, like I hate Walt Disney. They try to equate Stalin with socialism, but don&#39;t realize that they are two opposite poles.
why are you always such a fucking sectarian dick? You know you have evil devil worshipping "stalinists" and maoists are in your organization yet you call them opposite of socialists. That&#39;s just wonderful. You never miss an opportunity to make these type of comments do you?

[Rawthentic]

Hell no I dont. And where are there Stalinists in the CL?

If you observe the facts and take a Marxist class outlook, there is no doubt that under Stalin, and far before that, worker&#39;s control was used as mere rhetoric.

And I&#39;ve never said anything on Mao, because I haven&#39;t read on him. But I have read on Stalin, and it burns me to think that self-described "communists" can praise such a person who signifies counter-revolution and what we as communists should be fighting to avoid.

Uughh. Completely pathetic.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

the Communist League does not associate itself with any of the 20th century&#39;s Marxist trends, such as Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism or the "official" Communist parties, though it does accept members of these tendencies.[4]


[4] "Provisional Convention of the Communist League", Workers&#39; Republic, Winter 2004-05

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_League_%28U.S.%29

your sites down so whatever. Anyhow, that&#39;s just your opinion. Under Stalin&#39;s leadership the Soviet Union collectivized all agriculture, turned all property into property owned by the people eliminating private property, elected the first woman to government positions, fought and destroyed the major brunt of fascism, and etc.. that is not counter-revolution but I&#39;m done debating with you because you have no understanding of historical materialism.

[Rawthentic]

We accept members from such tendencies, but this does not define the League&#39;s stance. It is precisely because of the inadequacy of so-called "communist" parties and "leftists" that the League is a new phenomenon in the worker&#39;s struggle against capitalism.

Yeah, you are a great user of historical materialism. Thats why Stalin ruthlessly repressed workers who didn&#39;t coincide with his will, allied with Hitler (what a way of fighting fascism huh?)

Stalin and the ruling elite were the de-facto capitalists of the Soviet Union. They owned all the means of production. The CPSU was the state.

But yeah, I&#39;m also done. I&#39;m not in the business of proving the delusion to the deluded.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

now you&#39;re just sounding like a capitalist "Stalin was the state". Bullshit. That&#39;s why the people were in control of agriculture and the soviets. and bullshit again, glad to see you&#39;re an mourning for the kulaks who witheld grain while the masses starved, never tilled a field, yet were the richest in the country, and were burning crops to stop collectivization and bring back fuedalism with them in control. Those were the "innocents" that were attacked by class warfare in the Soviet Union. And yeah materialist analysis at the time of the pact reveals that the Soviet Union was barely industrialized, right next to the Nazis, and had been sent to the stone age by WWI. We also notice that it was signed so that Poland would not become totally fascist and that "future friendships" between the two nations was personally taken out by Stalin. No nation ever contributed more to the anti-fascist struggle from weapons and air support in China to the International Brigades in Spain to the decimation of 80% of all Nazi casualties to the final taking back of Japanese Fascist Imperialist occupied Manchuria.

[Leo]

I am always amazed by the Stalinists who accuse people of "sounding like capitalists" when they say that Stalin was a counter-revolutionary and a capitalist.

Western capitalist press doesn&#39;t usually accuse its enemies for being capitalists and counter revolutionaries :rolleyes:

[OneBrickOneVoice]

umm the western press isn&#39;t Stalin genius?

[Rawthentic]

Like I said, far before Stalin&#39;s time the soviets and any ounce of power they had were controlled by the petty-bourgeois managers and functionaries, product of the introduction of one-man management, even before NEP.

And any attempts to defeat fascism that Stalin had, were to secure his power and resources for it, like in Spain, that had iron ore and all.

And one of the reasons why so many volunteered for the IB under Stalin, was that the world was not yet aware of his crimes against humanity and disgusting vulgarization of Marxism.

[Question everything]

We should make Shadow of McCarthy.

[Rawthentic]

Of course, of all of the bastards who have committed crimes against the working-class and oppressed.

[anti-authoritarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 01:36 am
your sites down so whatever. Anyhow, that&#39;s just your opinion. Under Stalin&#39;s leadership the Soviet Union collectivized all agriculture, turned all property into property owned by the people eliminating private property, elected the first woman to government positions, fought and destroyed the major brunt of fascism, and etc.. that is not counter-revolution but I&#39;m done debating with you because you have no understanding of historical materialism.
Aside from the fact that Stalin + Litvinov/Molotov etc. collaborated with the Nazis in signing the treaty of Rapallo + the Nazi-Soviet NAP?

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by Question [email protected] 14, 2007 03:22 pm
We should make Shadow of McCarthy.
We should make Shadow of Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt and Hitler.