Self-segragation and preserving a culture

[Question everything]

I got in to an arguement about self segragation, with a reactionary friend. I'm opposed to it of course. He said that we shouldn't force people to assiliate to our culture, and that self segragation was the only way to protect ones culture. I agreed that we shouldn't ( :blush: ) force people to assiliate, but that segragation almost inevitably leads to racism and division. So any Ideas how I could make a decent rebuttle?

[Janus]

He said that we shouldn't force people to assiliate to our culture
Who's culture are we talking about here?


I agreed that we should force people to assiliate
Why? You don't have a right to demand even if you believe your culture is "superior". That's what has lead to racism and discrimination as well.

As far as self-segregation goes, it's usually more of a instinct. Those who are unaccustomed to a new culture and have problems learning a new language usually withdraw or at least seek support with others who are like them. You can't blame people for doing that nor should you force them to drop all aspects of their old culture. People need to decide for themselves and many of them usually do to the point that later generations usually are assimilated to a certain degree.

[Question everything]

Why? You don't have a right to demand even if you believe your culture is "superior". That's what has lead to racism and discrimination as well.

Sorry it was a typo I meant Shouldn't :blush: I was in a rush, it happens sometimes sorry... :blush: :blush: :blush:

accually back when I was still very proud of my Irish heritage, the things I heard about the british (the Greek and the Romans) potraiting themselves as a superior culture, trying to "civilize" other cultures (while beating the natives senseless and destroying alot of important facts and traditions), lead me to hate forced assimilation, and "civizing missions", more than even my friend (who is still very proud of his heritage)


Who's culture are we talking about here?

Me and my Friend are both Irish hertiage living in canada.

[rouchambeau]

segragation almost inevitably leads to racism and division.
I don't buy that. Sure, segregation has gone, and still does go, hand-in-hand with racism and oppression, but I don't see how segregation in itself leads to racism.

[Janus]

I don't buy that. Sure, segregation has gone, and still does go, hand-in-hand with racism and oppression, but I don't see how segregation in itself leads to racism.
I believe that QE was talking about self-isolation among immigrant communities rather than the racial segregation that many are usually familiar with.

As far as self-isolation goes, it can and usually does lead to racism towards said community but that can't be blamed on the victims but rather the ignorance of the perpetrators.

[Question everything]

Thanks Janus, that is pretty much the point I was trying to convey, also there is the economic part of it, when one ethnic group seizes power and the others become poorer like in Rwanda, Nazi Germany, one group (or groups) might eventually attempt ethnic cleasing (although Nazi germany was hardly segragated until Hitler took control and I doubt the Jewish population were as prosperous as Hitler claimed).