Nazi Watch USA

[RNK]

Hey guys,

Found this site:

http://naziwatchusa.blogspot.com/

Just opened today. For any of you interested in helping them out, I suggest you email them.

[RASHskins]

Wow that blogspot is gonna be friggen huge. I mean look at the canadian one.

[welshred]

is there one for the UK?

[RNK]

Most i can say is to check out this site:

http://www.fashwatch.org/index.html

Has contact info for tons of groups in the UK. I'm sure they'd know.

[welshred]

Thank you comrade.

[RNK]

no problem.

Come on, kids! If you've got any info on Nazis in the US -- ANYWHERE in the US -- send them the info!

[Red October]

the Southern Poverty Law Center has tons of intel on nazis and fascists. you can find their intelligence reports here: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp
they include detailed information about activities of fascist leaders and others, so use their info. its a great resource.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Out of curiousity, what if anything do people do with this sort of information?

[RNK]

Social pressure. Antifas often go to neighbourhoods of prominant racist organizers and informs the community about their.. "hobby". Just to keep the pressure on them at all times, so that they are not allowed room to develop their racism with impunity.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 04:12 pm
Out of curiousity, what if anything do people do with this sort of information?
some of these fuckers arent as open with their racism, so many in their communities dont know about their beliefs. if this information finds its way into the community at large, the nazis are at a disadvantage.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Social pressure. Antifas often go to neighbourhoods of prominant racist organizers and informs the community about their.. "hobby". Just to keep the pressure on them at all times, so that they are not allowed room to develop their racism with impunity.
That's probably the best way to confront it, and the most democratic.

[casual dan]

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[RedAnarchist]

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[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

I've been thinking about this more, and because it's become something of a hobby of mine to play devil's advocate with contemporary anti-fascist methods, I'd just like to ask if this isn't just an incitement to violence against the people on the lists-and not merely balanced and restrained community opposition. Further, is making lists of political opposition (and perhaps encouraging abuse against them) something vaguely fascistic in nature, or can this be justified as sensible despite the Redwatch people doing the same thing to us?

I agree that when the community sees something that is bigoted and hateful it must be able to voice a message against it, and if needed prevent harmful acts from being carried out on others. That's what we've always done as communities. But I also think that if we're going to be able to refute the messages of racist, fascist, or Nazi people they should be able to say their piece as well. Otherwise we've only managed to provide political freedom to the assimilated conformist, which is exactly what the mainstream state and its apparati do.

Granted those of the extreme authoritarian stripe would certainly not grant us any sort of right to speak out where they in power, but that to me only cements the need for us to not just be a slightly less brutal version of their tactics.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 06:26 pm
I've been thinking about this more, and because it's become something of a hobby of mine to play devil's advocate with contemporary anti-fascist methods, I'd just like to ask if this isn't just an incitement to violence against the people on the lists-and not merely balanced and restrained community opposition. Further, is making lists of political opposition (and perhaps encouraging abuse against them) something vaguely fascistic in nature, or can this be justified as sensible despite the Redwatch people doing the same thing to us?

I agree that when the community sees something that is bigoted and hateful it must be able to voice a message against it, and if needed prevent harmful acts from being carried out on others. That's what we've always done as communities. But I also think that if we're going to be able to refute the messages of racist, fascist, or Nazi people they should be able to say their piece as well. Otherwise we've only managed to provide political freedom to the assimilated conformist, which is exactly what the mainstream state and its apparati do.

Granted those of the extreme authoritarian stripe would certainly not grant us any sort of right to speak out where they in power, but that to me only cements the need for us to not just be a slightly less brutal version of their tactics.
you need to think about this as a war, which it is. we may not be in the streets with guns yet, but its still a war and they are our enemies. just like we have copwatch to track corrupt pigs, we have naziwatch to keep tabs on the fascists. its important for leftists to know about fascist activity in their area so they can plan actions accordingly. im not against giving nazis their right to speak, but i think we still need to track some of them, especially the more dangerous ones. they would destroy us if given the smallest chance, and we must guard against them.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

RFJ,

no it is not fascistic, it is anti-fascistic. Very big difference. The point of Nazi Watches are to alert communities, act as a base for antifa, and to know who we're up against

[RNK]

I understand your concerns, RJF, but unfortunately it's something that must be 'risked'. Nobody supposes that sexual predator registry lists are incitements to violence; they are merely for information and awareness, just like Nazi Watch. Without sites like these, sexual predators would be able to lurk in neighbourhoods with complete safety, just like without things like Nazi Watch, white supremacists would be able to do the same. And we all know what happens when Nazis are allowed to operate and exist without any struggle against them.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Fair enough everyone, these answers have been good ones and I can see the reasoning behind it a bit better now.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I think everyone here should email the email address and get involved in anyway possible and should check regularly for updates. There are alot of fascists out there on the web for example who identify themselves but exact info is unknown. Who knows? Some of these people could be your neighbors

[Prairie Fire]

This blog is un-impressive, and un-professional.

I am anti-fa as well , but this blog contains very few facts and a lot of juvenile insults.

Here are a few gems:


This lovely plastic-faced princess of hell incarnate lives in Las Vegas, Nevada. Born in Indianapolis. She has two kids, one of whom just turned 6 (and her name is Haileigh). She owns a small business, and is a divorcee (apparently her husband beat her around -- but who wouldn't? I feel sorry for her face, though. It obviously took the brunt of the abuse).

Ha ha ha&#33; Struggling single mothers and and spousal abuse are funny ( It&#39;s okay that her husband hit her; she was a nazi) <_< . Oh, and kudos on making jokes about her face&#33; And by the way, thanks for her kids name; this way, people can make her pay for her white nationlist leanings by taking it out on her 6 year old kid&#33;


P.M.N. has a bit of insanity in her family tree. Her uncle, Dave Brown, murdered his wife and tried to kill himself because of some lover&#39;s spat. It&#39;s unfortunate that P.M.N.&#39;s former husband didn&#39;t do the same.

It just keeps getting funnier. I mean, making fun of traumatic family history is both relevant and appropriate. And I totally agree that it&#39;s too bad that her woman-beating, abusive sack of shit of a husband didn&#39;t kill her. Normally spousal abuse is a horrific crime against women and families, but in this case the ***** is a Nazi, so it&#39;s okay.


Continuing this apparent fad with being fucking horse&#39;s ass-ugly, here we have two bloated white supremacists whose StormFront love blossomed into a putrid marriage.

Ha ha. Oh,Burn&#33; :rolleyes:


The couple presumably live together in Central Michigan. Funny, I remember hearing about a small earthquake in Michigan in the early hours of April 2nd.. it&#39;s a wonder how these two sacks of flesh could consumate their despicable union, but I believe they owe the state of Michigan several thousand dollars in damages.

He he&#33; Get it? They&#39;re fat&#33; Ha ha ha ha&#33; fat nazis, get it? <_<

Honestly, how fucking old are the people who put up this blog?
5? 6, maybe?
With the exception of two cases, there are almost NO DETAILS/FACTS. This blog claims to be an anti-fa tool, to warn people about nazis, but there&#39;s no fucking information&#33; Here&#39;s an example:


This is just a low-life wannabe who lives off of dad&#39;s nice shiny paycheque and holds dellusions of white supremacy, probably as some form of rebellious phase. I mean, c&#39;mon. Him and his friends listen to rap and act like white-collar hoodlums. Definately not someone to worry about. But if you find yourself near Rock Hill, drop by and pay him a visit anyway, simply because he&#39;s a stupid asshole.

Okay... so, what is it that makes him a white supremist? Details?
Here&#39;s another example:


Their wedding took place at the "Faith and Freedom Conference" near Harrison, Arkansas, on April 1st of 2007. The couple presumably live together in Central Michigan.

And? What activites have they participated in? What groups are they active with?
Stop with the dumb-fuck kindegarten humour for a minute or two, post something useful&#33; And by the way, Nazi or not, SPOUSAL ABUSE IS NOT COOL&#33; Ever consider, maybe it was fucked-up circumstances like horrific domestic violence that made her a candidate for white nationalism?

Somebody needs to seriously take command of this blog, if you want to get anything useful out of it. The Canada nazi watch is much better in this respect.

[RNK]

You&#39;re so right&#33;

Nazi Watch Canada is VERY superior. All of their posts are jam-packed with information. Such as a single picture with a Yahoo username. So very informative.

I can&#39;t help but notice that you seem to have taken Nazi Watch USA incredibly, incredibly personally. Rather than make constructive criticisms, you&#39;ve become completely overwhelmed with emotional knee-jerk responses and insults. Why?

[Sir_No_Sir]

I totally agree with RavenBlade 100%.


Solidarity and Justice

[OneBrickOneVoice]

well straight facts are a bit boring but yes, I do think that from now on the admins will try to stick more to the facts

[OneBrickOneVoice]

oh yeah and RavenBlade why not help take charge? PM me if you&#39;re interested and I&#39;ll hook you in if you don&#39;t like how its going right now

[Prairie Fire]

Nazi Watch Canada is VERY superior. All of their posts are jam-packed with information. Such as a single picture with a Yahoo username. So very informative.

I said it was BETTER. Nazi watch Canada features real names, organizations, deeds,place of residence for the majority of the featured nazi scum on their blog.
Canada Nazi watch is much better than it&#39;s USA counterpart.


I can&#39;t help but notice that you seem to have taken Nazi Watch USA incredibly, incredibly personally. Rather than make constructive criticisms, you&#39;ve become completely overwhelmed with emotional knee-jerk responses and insults. Why?

I did give a lot of constructive criticism; I specifically inquired as to why the blog is not posting names of organizations, areas of residence, deeds and other miscellaneous history on the majority of their featured nazis.

As for the emotional response, I&#39;m not quite down with Nazi watch Canada&#39;s slogan of "no sympathy for nazi sympathy". Let&#39;s be clear; most modern-day, north-american fascists are not the fucking SS; they are people who went down the wrong path in life . If you want to fight fascism, what better way than to figure out why people turn to fascism? I mean, beating the shit out of bone-heads at the subway station is a short term remedy to the nazi problem. If you want to stomp out fascism you need to understand "what drives a persyn to fascism?" I&#39;ve heard many theories, ranging from repressed homosexuality ( obsession with the male body, but inability to express it in a romantic context), thrill seeking hooliganism,to massive inferiority complex, to plain lack of education (Although that one is a little bit too convenient, while there is a grain of truth to it.).

I think it&#39;s juvenile to write nazi&#39;s off and laugh at their dysfunction, which is most likely what lead them to fascism in the first place. Monsters are a product of their surroundings.

It isn&#39;t quite fair to say my responses were "knee jerk", I was just invoking imagery to prove my point. Besides you have to correct misogynist notions when you encounter them. I don&#39;t care if the author of the site was speaking of our enemies; under no context is spousal abuse appropriate.


well straight facts are a bit boring but yes, I do think that from now on the admins will try to stick more to the facts

Well, Nazi watch Canada can also be pretty liberal with the taunting and trash talking. Persynally, talking about ruthless nazi thugs, who are a clear and present danger to entire communities, is anything but boring; it&#39;s downright alarming.


oh yeah and RavenBlade why not help take charge? PM me if you&#39;re interested and I&#39;ll hook you in if you don&#39;t like how its going right now

I&#39;m not sure how useful I&#39;d be. I have a decent handle on the Canadian nazi situation, but I don&#39;t know who the players are in the American nazi movement.

I&#39;ll give it some thought, and then I&#39;ll reply.

[RNK]

I don&#39;t see much difference between the level of information on either site. Canada Watch might have more, but they also have many people on there with nothing more than an online screen name from Yahoo or some shit. Both sites give as much info as they have and both sites obviously give info even if they have almost none.

As for confronting Nazis on an ideological level... that&#39;s fine, of course, but often it simply doesn&#39;t work. We can&#39;t, and shouldn&#39;t, limit ourselves only to intellectual struggle.

And like I said, just because Nazis have their names posted on the internet doesn&#39;t mean they&#39;ve been targetted for violence. One of the guys on NW USA, I forget which one, has his info up on other sites as well and Antifa activists one afternoon went to his neighbourhood, distributed informative leaflets to the people in his community (all of whom were disgusted that a Nazi lived in their neighbourhood) and stood outside his house for a few minutes. It was incredibly successful and not a single act of violence occured. That is the kind of stuff we need to do. Social pressure.

[Prairie Fire]

As for confronting Nazis on an ideological level... that&#39;s fine, of course, but often it simply doesn&#39;t work. We can&#39;t, and shouldn&#39;t, limit ourselves only to intellectual struggle.

I think you mis-read my reply RNK ( You seem to do this often. Didn&#39;t you accuse me of being an anti-Leninist anarchist on the "Ghandi supported Leninism" thread?).

At no time, did I ever state that we limit ourselves to intellectual struggle. At no time did I ever claim that we should reject violent methods. What I said was:


If you want to fight fascism, what better way than to figure out why people turn to fascism? I mean, beating the shit out of bone-heads at the subway station is a short term remedy to the nazi problem. If you want to stomp out fascism you need to understand "what drives a persyn to fascism?"

I never claimed that pacifist, logical discussion was the solution to the fascist problem. I support my Comrades, like Comrade Marcel, who spill nazi blood on occasion. Their bravery deserves applause. My point was that , in order to truly defeat fascism, we need to understand the root causes of fascism.


And like I said, just because Nazis have their names posted on the internet doesn&#39;t mean they&#39;ve been targetted for violence. One of the guys on NW USA, I forget which one, has his info up on other sites as well and Antifa activists one afternoon went to his neighbourhood, distributed informative leaflets to the people in his community (all of whom were disgusted that a Nazi lived in their neighbourhood) and stood outside his house for a few minutes. It was incredibly successful and not a single act of violence occured. That is the kind of stuff we need to do. Social pressure.

Potential violence was not my point of contention. I like seeing pictures of bone-heads who&#39;ve been right fucked up by the forces of justice. Those who have chosen to be soldiers of the far right should expect an ass-kicking.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I&#39;m not sure how useful I&#39;d be. I have a decent handle on the Canadian nazi situation, but I don&#39;t know who the players are in the American nazi movement.

I&#39;ll give it some thought, and then I&#39;ll reply.

well none of the admins know excessive amounts I think. The critiscisms you make of NaziWatchUSA are very valid and should be dealt with, but keep in mind, the joint is about a week and a half old with few people supporting it or administrating it.

Finding information on fascists is not easy at all. Most have not figured out how to use a computer yet, let alone the internet, and those who have don&#39;t go posting their persynal info everywhere, which is why it takes mass amounts of people to be seeing this thing and administrating it.