Lenin's plan of the new society building - MARXISM-LENINISM

[Revolution Hero]

The victory of the Great October Revolution demanded the further development of the scientific communism theory,it's creative use in practice.
The questions of the destruction of capitalism and the consolidation of the dictatorship of the proletariat stood before October revolution. The questions of the new society creation were raised after the victory of the revolution.
V.I.Lenin substantiated the concrete ways of the socialist building and headed the first proletarian state in the world.The first and the second programs of the communist party and the beginning of the realization of the socialist reorganization are connected with the name of Lenin. Lenin developed Marx's teaching about the transitional period between capitalism and socialism, about the dictatorship of the proletariat,about the two stages of the communist formation,about the appropriatenesses of the development of the socialism into communism.
Lenin connected the new society building with the industrialization,agricultural cooperation,solution of the national question and the realization of the cultural revolution.
Since the first years of the revolution Lenin attached great importance to the Communist Party and it's role in governing the socialist society.Communist Party has to scientifically substantiate it's practical activity, it has to consider the interests and the will of the people.

Lenin showed the way to communism, the way to the great future of the mankind.

[Turnoviseous]

Revolutionary hero, which two stage theory you have in mind?


Since the first years of the revolution Lenin attached great importance to the Communist Party and it's role in governing the socialist society.

Lenin was not talking about that party should govern the socialist society. Where did you get that?

[Marxman]

Lenin knew the revolution is futile without the other revolutions. He wasn't actually governing the Bolsheviks after but guided the people to socialism.

Lenin fought all his life for socialism and ultimately he was betrayed by that Stalin. Shame on anyone who worships Stalin.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Turnoviseous on 6:27 am on Sep. 26, 2002
Revolutionary hero, which two stage theory you have in mind?


Since the first years of the revolution Lenin attached great importance to the Communist Party and it's role in governing the socialist society.

Lenin was not talking about that party should govern the socialist society. Where did you get that?


Two stages are :
1. socialism;
2. communism.

You misunderstood me. Lenin didn't say that only party should govern, but he considered the communist party an important factor in governing the society. The dictatorship of the proletariat is implemented by the Communist Party, which is presented by the proletarian vanguard.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Marxman on 7:54 am on Sep. 26, 2002
Lenin knew the revolution is futile without the other revolutions. He wasn't actually governing the Bolsheviks after but guided the people to socialism.

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Lenin held the post of the chairman of the soviet of the people's commissars since the appearance of the Soviet state till 1924 ( Lenin's death). This was the highest administrative position in the USSR of that age, it can be compared to the post of the president of the state.

LENIN WAS ACTUALLY GOVERNING THE SOVIET UNION.
Marxman, you should learn the history.

[Marxman]

Oh, really. Now, how can you compare his governing to today's governing? You shall see that he was very democratic and he alone did not govern the whole of Soviet Union, he guided the people, like I said. His Politburo (which was then murdered by Stalin) was really the top executive organ.

Lenin walked among the people and made speeches almost every day to the latter. Even on his deathbed he wrote letters for the workers of Russia. He truly was and still is the best politician I ever know. Not to mention democratic.

[Revolution Hero]

But the fact that he was the head of the young Soviet State is apparent.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Turnoviseous on 6:27 am on Sep. 26, 2002


Lenin was not talking about that party should govern the socialist society. Where did you get that?


Quote from Lenin:

" We, party of bolsheviks, convinced Russia. We won Russia from rich for the poor, from the exploiters for the wroking people. We have to govern Russia now." ( vol.36, p.172).

[Marxman]

Again, so typical.

Could you please not post something out of the context? Would you please post the other sentences as well that are adjacent to this quote. I hope you don't mind me seeing the full meaning of Lenin's words.

(Edited by Marxman at 4:01 pm on Sep. 28, 2002)

[LeninCCCP]

Dont badmouth Lenin People!!!

[Marxman]

Exactly. It is so typical for stalinists to slander Lenin. He will never rest in peace with people like stalinists claiming he was a non-marxist.

Again, I am asking RevolutionHero to post the whole paragraph of Lenin's words. I want to hear Lenin in full.

[LeninCCCP]

Lenin was one of the only true revolutionary leaders to have exsisted. Stalin had more of an early american approach by being an isolationist and a pussie who abbused his people.

[Marxman]

LeninCCCP, I've read a lot about Stalin and his misdeeds. He develepod, or should we say it developed itself, a new extreme form of Bonapartism called stalinism.

Why was stalinism developed? Because of the deformed workers' state and that wasn't Lenin' nor Trotsky's fault but the fault of 21 foreign capitalist states and the fact that Russia was a semi-feudal state and very backward.

[Revolution Hero]

Marxman, can you please read the title of the topic again. Stalin , Stalin and Stalin. Well, that is a good way to escape the defeat and run away from the arguement on which you don't have an answer. I understand you.

Hey, Lenincccp, you shouldn't have choosed this name, just like Marxman. You both are anti -communists. Are you friends???

Lenin cccp, if you are fan of Lenin, you have to know some of his works and you should recognize the quotes from his works, which you don't.

I don't slander Lenin, not Trotsky. The truth is in my words.

[Marxman]

I know Stalinist very profoundly and I totally recognise one. You are exactly the type, R.H.

How can I talk about Lenin with you when you slander him with stalinist lies? It is more than obvious to redirect my statements to anti-stalinist.

By the way, I am certainly not an anti-communist and neither is LeninCCCP and neither is you. These words really offend me sicne I waste most of time on the internet arguing with cappies.

[Revolution Hero]

Marxman who the fuck are you to call me Stalinist?
I don't slander Lenin. All quotes, which I have mentioned so many times , are real. I use the methods of the truth.
That is YOU who slanders Lenin. YOU have never read any of Lenin's works, and you say that I slander Lenin.


SHUT THE FUCK UP, MARXMAN!!!

AND GO AND READ LENIN!!!!!


"Lenincccp" and you are from the one ideological struggle organization. FUCKING LOOSERS!!!

[LeninCCCP]

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 1:56 am on Oct. 2, 2002
"Lenincccp" and you are from the one ideological struggle organization. FUCKING LOOSERS!!!

You fucking jerk i didnt start shit with you, and you claim i dont understand Lenin when ive made only made 2 posts fuck you i never said you were a stalinist get your fucking facts straight, im all for the fight for communism how dare you claim otherwise, if you want to start shit with an allie then just fucking say so. You seem to have misinterpreted what i fucking said. So dont start shit with someone you dont know. ASSHOLE!!!

[LeninCCCP]

by the way LOOSERS is not a real word i think you meant Loser's with one "O" not two just thought you'd like to know.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from LeninCCCP on 11:48 am on Oct. 3, 2002

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 1:56 am on Oct. 2, 2002
"Lenincccp" and you are from the one ideological struggle organization. FUCKING LOOSERS!!!

You fucking jerk i didnt start shit with you, and you claim i dont understand Lenin when ive made only made 2 posts fuck you i never said you were a stalinist get your fucking facts straight, im all for the fight for communism how dare you claim otherwise, if you want to start shit with an allie then just fucking say so. You seem to have misinterpreted what i fucking said. So dont start shit with someone you dont know. ASSHOLE!!!


I apologize then.Oh,of course double "O",I was just mad when I was writting it.

But Marxman is the most stupid man on the board. He makes irrational conclusions about me. I had never said a word about Stalin arguing with him and he called me Stalinist. What the fuck,Marxman?

I firmly stand on the positions of Marxism -Leninism, and I criticize Trotskysm only using my theoretical knowledge. So, you should all keep this in your mind.

" Lenin cccp"if you claim to be an ally, then why had you said that I slander Lenin? I always use the real quotes,man.

[LeninCCCP]

I wasn't slandering you. I simply saw you to were arguing about what Lenin might or could have said i wasnt targeting you with that response, so im sorry for the misunderstanding. LONG LIVE LENIN!

[Marxman]

R.H., do some studying first before making such assessments about me or Lenin. Go learn a word like INTERNATIONALISM or the true meaning of STALINISM.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from LeninCCCP on 12:16 pm on Oct. 4, 2002
I wasn't slandering you. I simply saw you to were arguing about what Lenin might or could have said i wasnt targeting you with that response, so im sorry for the misunderstanding. LONG LIVE LENIN!


Excuse me , then. But we didn't argue about "what Lenin might and could have said", but Marxan argued the real quotes of Lenin, what Lenin had actually said.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Marxman on 3:12 pm on Oct. 4, 2002
R.H., do some studying first before making such assessments about me or Lenin. Go learn a word like INTERNATIONALISM or the true meaning of STALINISM.


Well, I know the meaning of the both. And , ulike you, I have read Lenin. You just don't want to accept the quotes because they go against your ideology ( which is trotskysm), you are free to do it, but then don't say that you know Lenin, and that Lenin had nothing against Trotsky.

[Marxman]

Maybe you don't know this, but the truth is that Trotskyism is actually MARXISM/LENINISM.

[Revolution Hero]

No, it is not, all of our previous discussions prove it perfectly.There are too many contradictions between these theories.

[Marxman]

Au contraire, the contradiction is you, dear R.H.

You have an internationalist slogan from Communist manifesto, while you claim Lenin was an isolator and wanted Russia to have socialism, while other states may burn in capitalism. That is contradiction!

[Revolution Hero]

That is not contradiction. If Lenin said that it was possible to build socialism in one country first, then it doesn't mean that he prefered policy of isolation.
Lenin's idea was that the young Soviet state would show the world an example of how socialism could be built and how it coud work. So, the proletariat of other countries would follow an example of the USSR. But in order to achieve revolution the proletariat of foreign countries had to wait till the revolutionary situation would come.

[Marxman]

No, Lenin actually said that the proletariat in the advanced capitalist states can teach them how it is done. It was all dependant on the proletariat.

[Revolution Hero]

To be correct the proletariat of the socialist state will teach the proletariat of other countries acording to their ( proletariat's of the socialist state) experience of building socialism. The same as showing them an example.

[Marxman]

Socialism can't be achieved in once country alone. Lenin emphasized that. Look what happened the following: 21 foreign capitalist states inervened.

Not even a mighty Russia can't have socialism alone.

Can capitalism survive on its own?

[Revolution Hero]

Haven't you learned history?
USSR had survived and helped other states to achieve socialism .

[Marxman]

Still watching cartoons and listening to fairytales, eh?

[EjercitoFidelista]

The Red army was succesful on the Communist revolution of that fact that other peopel from other countrys joined the revolution.. Lenin.. followed the steps from Marx.. Lenin said wonderful and intelegent speeches.. and powerful !.. people were so tired of there Emperalist goverments they risk there lifes For FREEDOM!!!!!!!.. and thats what Lenin said.. If you fight for this Revolution .there well be no more Rich or Poor or slavery .. EVERYBODY IN THE MIDDLE!..

[Marxman]

Yes, Lenin was the right man! But unfortuntely Stalin was the wrong man at the wrong time. But we must also conclude that one man alone couldn't stop the rising of Stalinism. If it wasn't Stalin, then there would be someone else. Revolution was alone and therefore it failed, as Lenin predicted it would.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Marxman on 1:13 am on Oct. 14, 2002
Yes, Lenin was the right man! But unfortuntely Stalin was the wrong man at the wrong time. But we must also conclude that one man alone couldn't stop the rising of Stalinism. If it wasn't Stalin, then there would be someone else. Revolution was alone and therefore it failed, as Lenin predicted it would.

Revolution didn't fail. But the crazy idea of trotsky's "permanent revolution" did. Lenin was the first who said that socialism can be achieved in one country, and the practice of the soviet socialist building proved that he had been right!

[Dan Majerle]

Leniin initially was with Trotsky's idea of starting world wide revolution as was his instructions to Trotsky to delay discussions with the Germans for peace in the hope that revolution would start in that country along with others. His attempts to spread socialism abroad and its failure as evident by his 1921 march into Poland forced Lenin to change his opinion on world wide revolution and firstly attempt to focus on domestic problems, consolidate the government before seeking to aid nations abroad.

[EjercitoFidelista]

The only mistake Stalin did .. is he didint trust his own people enough .. if he did like LENIN.. everything would of runed smooth...........

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Dan Majerle on 1:25 am on Oct. 16, 2002
Leniin initially was with Trotsky's idea of starting world wide revolution as was his instructions to Trotsky to delay discussions with the Germans for peace in the hope that revolution would start in that country along with others. .


Blatant lie. Trotsky went against Central Committee's decision to sign Brest peace treaty.
Lenin was 100% for the peace. The young soviet state wouldn't have survived in the hard conditions of the civil war, if the war with Gremany had not been stopped. Lenin clearly understood this.

[Dan Majerle]

As quoted by Michael Lynch, "Russia in Revolution",

"...Trotsky and Lenin did indeed see themselves as citors - potential if not acuta. They wre not perturbed by the thought of national defeat. THeir conviction was tht time and history were on their side. THey blieeved that a great international political victory was imminent. IT is important to remember that Lenin and Trotsky, as international revolutionaries, had only a limited loyalty towards RUssia as a nationa. Their first concern was to spread the proletarian revolution."

[Marxman]

Of course, they wanted to spread the fire of the revolution, that's the first task after the revolution and it's logical. German revolution would've been guaranteed if it weren't for the squanderings of the Stalinists. Lenin knew Germany is the next target for the revolution as he knew the workers there were of great potential and the success of Germany and Russia would definitely change the capitalist forces.

[Dan Majerle]

agree with you there. So what is the argument over?

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Marxman on 11:59 pm on Oct. 17, 2002
Of course, they wanted to spread the fire of the revolution, that's the first task after the revolution and it's logical. German revolution would've been guaranteed if it weren't for the squanderings of the Stalinists. Lenin knew Germany is the next target for the revolution as he knew the workers there were of great potential and the success of Germany and Russia would definitely change the capitalist forces.


The fire of the revolution was spread by the USSR after WW2.