Right-Wing Garbage

[Lenin II]

this is what he Republican asshole on protestwarrior.com posted about Iraq:

Why are you for going to war in Iraq?

The primary reason of course is national security. September 11 was a clarion call that America faces a new threat, a threat perhaps even more dangerous than the Soviet Union. That threat is Islamo-fascism.

Now due to a successful campaign in Afghanistan, the Taliban is no more, and Al-Qaeda was largely disrupted. We can also feel proud about removing Saddam and his murderous regime from the face of the earth, a humanitarian and benevolent act by any standard of morality. However, it is not enough to simply go after the terrorists and the tyrants, we must also change the conditions in which they thrive.

The reality is that Muslims are no different than any other group of people, in that when a society is run by tyranny, when there is no economic, social or civil liberty, this breeds frustration, poverty, alienation, and fear. The people in these countries, rather than look to themselves as the cause of their problems, instead need a scapegoat, an enemy, which the dictator is always happy to provide.

Take the issue of the Palestinians. The Arabs have six million square miles of land. They could give their Palestinian brothers a state tomorrow, and with one day's oil profits give every one of them a bar of gold. Instead, the Arab dictators prop up Arafat and his loathsome gang of oppressors, and brainwash their people to be pure monsters. When mothers happily send their children off to bomb buses and schools, this is not based on any rational grievance. No, this is endemic of a sick, utterly immoral, anti-life culture that serves only one purpose: to keep tyrants in power.

For the last 50 years, Israel has been the shock absorbers for Western Civilization, taking the blows, fighting the fight. But Islamic fundamentalism has escalated this war into a global clash of civilizations. It's similar to the Cold War in that it is Freedom vs. Statism, but what makes it even more dangerous is that Islamic terrorists are so utterly irrational, so willing to kill just for the sake of killing. This menace must be stopped.

So the best reason for going to war with Iraq is that it is time to start draining the swamp of Islamo-fascism. If we see this through, the rebuilding of Iraq as a free republic, then it is our hope that it will become a paragon of hope for that benighted region.

This is the only way we will ever achieve real national security. But it is more than just about our safety. It is about the moral duty of the greatest country in the history of this planet, the United States of America, to bring freedom to all corners of the globe. And we are the only ones capable of doing it.

Ultimately this is not a military battle, but a war of ideas, a clash of two diametrically opposed value systems: free markets and rule of law versus statist dictatorships and rule of men. That's why Iraq has become a line in the desert sand between those who want liberty and those who want power, and that is why we must prevail...

[Spirit of Spartacus]

Listen, do you HAVE to respond to this nutter?

I mean this Republican is not only stupid, he/she is also schizophrenic.

The Taliban aren't destroyed, they're waiting in the mountains to strike at the NATO forces. They have safe havens in the semi-autonomous tribal belt along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

As for Al-Qaeda being "disrupted", its simply impossible to do that.

This idiot doesn't understand the organizational method of Al-Qaeda. It is not some sort of tangible organization which you can attack and hope to destroy. It is composed of a loosely-bound collection of people united by similar goals.

Other than that, they don't have an elaborate command-and-control structure which you can hope to disrupt. Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri are merely figure-head leaders...icons...

[Demogorgon]

Lets be honest is there any point in trying to argue with someone like this? Modern Psychiatry tells us that when dealing with those suffering from serious delusions there is little to be gained from being confrontational with them.

What he writes there is just plain delusional and has no basis in fact. It isn't merely a case of having swallowed propoganada, it is a case of going out of the way to adopt a ridiculous viewpoint.

[IcarusAngel]

That is from the Protest-Warrior website, not just some Republican. It is part of their FAQ; and it's rather old too (notice the references to Arafat as if he's still alive; actually, this was written a couple weeks after the iraq war began).

Protest-Warrior is pointless. I defeated them in the fall of 2006, I believe it was, when I outed a couple of their "chapter leaders" as blatant ignoramuses, unaware of even the simplest things of politics and our world. Basically they were a bunch of spoiled, high school republicans playing at politics: blaming everything bad on "liberals and socialists," giving support to conservative causes without thinking, bashing immigrants, arabs, and all non-christian, non-white cultures, etc. None of them had any understanding of the complexities of politics. Also, several of the protest-warriors made death threats against me and some forum leftists, and a muslim poster, on their message board. Since then Protest-Warrior pulled the forums as to not have any records of this and only have their website up to try and sell the last DVD copies that they have of "Crashing the Protests".

The roaches then scattered off to some invisionfree boards to continue to whine about what they perceive as being evil. That's where coloneldummy from this board is from -- I'm not sure if Publius goes there or not, although he was at PW (though he was somewhat of an antagonist there). But, you can't post at the new PW boards if you're a liberal or a socialist (same thing to them), as to get in there is an "initiation process" to confirm that you were an ex-PW, in much the same way 10 year old children establish a "secret code" before they allow someone to enter their clubhouse.

I'm not joking about that last part, either -- they actually call it PWIC -- Protest-Warrior, Internet-Clubhouse. We need to keep an eye on colonelguppy, as he reports back there on a regular basis. For example, when RevLeft was having server problems, he claimed the revlefters had pulled the forum because of his superior debating ability. :lol:


For more information on Protest-Warrior and their (often illegal) actions, see these resources:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Protest_Warrior

http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/years/2003/000022.html

Blog entry on a PW "event" (http://andiamnotlyingforreal.blogspot.com/2005/01/protest-warriors-got-their-war-on.html) (If you want to understand what PW was, click this link; I'm not going to post their pictures here, but they're funny)

PW exposed (http://web.archive.org/web/20041013193651/http://www.rocknrev.com/pw/protestwarrior2.html)

The faq from which the original post was taken (http://www.protestwarrior.com/faq.php)

And for an added bonus, here's a video (http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2005/08/29/protest-warriors_sm.wmv) of right-wing protest-warriors and "freepers" (free-republicans) attacking each other.

You have to be at least that smart to be a right-winger.

[RaptorJesus]

Why are you for going to war in Iraq?

The primary reason of course is national security. September 11 was a clarion call that America faces a new threat, a threat perhaps even more dangerous than the Soviet Union. That threat is Islamo-fascism.



There has been no evidence found that Iraq was in any way involved with Al-Qaeda or 9/11. Also, if you want to fight 'Islamo-fascism', Iraq would be the last place in the Middle East to do it, as Saddam secularized the country.


Now due to a successful campaign in Afghanistan, the Taliban is no more, and Al-Qaeda was largely disrupted.

As has been said, the Taliban has taken to the mountains on the Afganistan/Pakistan boarder, and Al-Qaeda can not be "disrupted" due to their organizational structure.


We can also feel proud about removing Saddam and his murderous regime from the face of the earth, a humanitarian and benevolent act by any standard of morality.

Franco, Batista, Pinochet, etc. The U.S. has no problem supporting tyrannical regimes, so long as it is within their interests. Currently, the U.S. supports Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by a monarchy. Laws are passed in Saudi Arabia by a royally appointed Council of Ministers. The only place political parties and elections are present is on the local level. Saudi Arabia has enforced Shiara law, the results of which are many and can be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia).


Take the issue of the Palestinians. The Arabs have six million square miles of land. They could give their Palestinian brothers a state tomorrow, and with one day's oil profits give every one of them a bar of gold.

I don't think any Arab nation neighboring them has any significant amount of oil. The issue here is not that there is no land for them, it is that the Palestinian people were forced off their land, sometimes with violence, by the Israelis.


It's similar to the Cold War in that it is Freedom vs. Statism, but what makes it even more dangerous is that Islamic terrorists are so utterly irrational, so willing to kill just for the sake of killing.

Utter ignorance as to the type of people who join Islamic fundementalist groups. These are well educated, rational people. They do no 'kill just for the sake of killing', they kill to achieve a goal.


It is about the moral duty of the greatest country in the history of this planet, the United States of America, to bring freedom to all corners of the globe. And we are the only ones capable of doing it.


Breathtaking arrogance.

[Fodman]

For the last 50 years, Israel has been the shock absorbers for Western Civilization, taking the blows, fighting the fight
if by 'fighting the fight' he means waging imperialistic wars, then he is correct

the vast majority of the time, Israel has been, and still is the aggressor

yes, the Palestinians should not resort to killing civilians, but what can you expect from a people that are constantly occupied by enemy troops, that murder them and guard checkpoints, not allowing people to pass between villages? Pregnant women have had to give birth on the roadside because they could not cross the barriers of these checkpoints.

[grove street]

These kinds of people are very easy to argue with.

1. Let's start with Iraq.

Yes Saddam was a brutal dictator and he ''DID'' have weapons of mass destruction, however he was a secularist that kept Islamists like Bin Laden in check and his regime was heavily funded and supported by America and they are the ones that gave him the weapons of mass destruction.

2. Ask him/her why America has yet to find the very weapons that they sold him after their invasion.

3. Ask him/her what did a Baathist (Arab secularism)
regime that has been decleared an infidel regime by both Iran and Bin Laden had to do with a war on Islamic terrorism.

4. Ask him/her that if the invasion of Iraq was meant to stop terrorism, why are their more Iraqi's, Arabs and Muslims in general joining Islamic terrorist groups out of anger to America's occupation of Iraq.

5. Ask that if America is against Islamic Fundamentalists, then why are they supporting Islamic theocracies like Saudi Arabia, which is home to the most extreme sect of Islam ''Whabaism'' the same sect of Islam that is followed by Bin Laden and the Taliban.

6. Bin Laden and Al-Qaueda was from 1988 until 1991 funded and supported by America in the sums of billions of dollars. Would Bin Laden still be able to be the big shot terrorist today, if it wasn't for the billions of US dollars and CIA training?

7. Wouldn't making the Palestinans leave Palestian and create a new homeland somewhere else be no different if the Arabs invaded Israel and kicked them out?

8. If a new Palestinan homeland is to be created, what would happen to the Dome of the Rock and the Alksa Moseque?

9. Ask him/her what was Israel thinking when they secretly funded Hamas during the 70's in order to undermine Yassar Arafat and his secularist PLO movement that was willing to accept Israel?

10. Why are you so fucking stupid?