LiBcom

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Does anyone know anything about Libcom -- especially its forum?

What are the politics like?

I have just started posting there (on dialectics, for a change! :D ), and would like to know a little more about the background.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Libcom's page on Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libcom)

Looks similar to Revleft, just less of us "Leninist" types. ;)

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

BCS, thanks for that; it is more or less as I suspected.

[rkn]

I've heard its rather good ;)

[YSR]

I like it a good deal, despite being an American and not getting most of the political references.

[Janus]

Yeah, LibCom is mostly composed of libertarian socialists/communists so you probably won't find much debate on dialectics.

They also just completed a major renovation of their site which now has a greater focus towards actual advice concerning organizing and protesting rather than just one big forum.

[Leo]

Libcom is quite a good forum. Most of the posters are either anarchists (of practically every variety) or left communists. There can be quite interesting debates on dialectics as not all but most people posting there are quite active and educated people, I would imagine that they would be quite interested.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Thanks for that you guys; and Leo, if you check out the forum, you will see I have been giving one of the posters there (who is a professional philosopher) a hard time.

[i]So unlike me! :rolleyes:

[Spirit of Spartacus]

What do they do if a Maoist turns up?

Eat them? :lol:

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 31, 2007 11:33 pm
Does anyone know anything about Libcom -- especially its forum?

I've been a member there longer than here, I think, or i've certainly been browsing it longer.

check out the advert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc217fd7O3k


What are the politics like?

Libcom is short for "Libertarian Communism" so what the hell do you think it's politics are like?

[Moshehess]

Rosa..........you should go to Libcom and say you like the SWP.

most anarchists in the UK are former SWP members or at least went to a few of their meetings and hated them. Like me.

[rkn]

Originally posted by Spirit of [email protected] 03, 2007 03:56 pm
What do they do if a Maoist turns up?
People are willing to debate in constructively with those whose politics they radically disagree with to an extent. But if it looks like trolling or constant evading of the issue then people will get pissed off pretty quick. After all the site is meant to be somewhere where lib. communists can engage constructively with each other, rather than a "big tent" website, so its best to keep things 'on topic' as it were politically.

Love underground - the final version of the ad is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2xpmlMEII4
The one you posted is a draft ;)

As someone said above though - libcom is much more than a forum - the emphasis is mostly on the library (http://libcom.org/library), history (http://libcom.org/history) and news (http://libcom.org/news) sections at the moment. But other parts are being built up. The forums were originally created to gather feedback on the site, but they have grown beyond that. We are still working on our major upgrade, but the site has come a long way in the last 6 months.

[Leo]

What do they do if a Maoist turns up?

Eat them?

Hopefully!

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Leo [email protected] 03, 2007 08:09 pm

What do they do if a Maoist turns up?

Eat them?

Hopefully!
What do you have against anarchists, that you want them poisoned?

Luís Henrique

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Moshehess, I only went there to trash dialectics -- nothing else.

And I got the same bo**locks there as I got here from the Hegelian mystics: abuse, invention and lies.

All clones to a man/woman/answering machine.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 06:18 pm
Rosa..........you should go to Libcom and say you like the SWP.

most anarchists in the UK are former SWP members or at least went to a few of their meetings and hated them. Like me.
I am not an anarchist, but given that the British SWP has been pandering to Islamic fundamentalism to try to get support, I can see why you people left it!

The site is not too appealing to me. Far too ultra-left and the like.

[Raúl Duke]

Moshehess, I only went there to trash dialectics -- nothing else.

And I got the same bo**locks there as I got here from the Hegelian mystics: abuse, invention and lies

Whats the name of the thread in LibCom?

Want to see.

I suppose that no matter where you go there would be those who support dialects....

I don't know dialects..yet I don't see how this makes me "weaponless" (since its considered a weapon) against the bourgeoisie.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Axel:


I am not an anarchist, but given that the British SWP has been pandering to Islamic fundamentalism to try to get support, I can see why you people left it!

Axel, this will merely get you a warning point for trying to de-rail this thread -- if you persist. :)

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

JD: its in the theory section, entitled 'Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis'.

There you will find (on the later pages) a couple of numpties who argue just like our good friend Axel/Volkov here (or as he used to do last year; he has learnt to keep clear of me since), and in the earlier pages a professional philosopher who cannot answer most of my points so he distracts attention by raising a load of irrelevant issues (but he agrees with me about dialectics anyway!).

[farleft]

TheUnderground posts on LibCom.

They are mainly anarchists rather than revlefts multi left-wing members.

Also LibCom is based around practice not theoretical debate. (not to say that it doesnt have any).

[redflag32]

I had a terrible experience with that forum,from the moment i joined i was attacked by a prominent poster over my Republican socialist politics,this poster didnt hold back and used personal insults to get his point across,i was actually warned about him by a mod/admin the moment i joined,but this poster was allowed make a mockery of me personally and politically without anyone asking him to tone it down,i had a major argument with the admin over him being let saywha he wanted because he had so many posts to his credit and they all obviously knew him,in the end i couldnt post on any thread witthout this guy attacking me so i left,and the admin were not sad to see my politics go. I would never debase a human being the way i was on that forum,and i advise anyone who doesnt have the same ideals as these peopel to stay well away.

Maybe it wa just my experiance and they are alright,but just letting you know what happened me over there!

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 08:31 pm
Maybe it wa just my experiance and they are alright,but just letting you know what happened me over there!
Was it Tacks? I know him personally :P

[guydebordisdead]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 08:31 pm
I had a terrible experience with that forum,from the moment i joined i was attacked by a prominent poster over my Republican socialist politics,this poster didnt hold back and used personal insults to get his point across,i was actually warned about him by a mod/admin the moment i joined,but this poster was allowed make a mockery of me personally and politically without anyone asking him to tone it down,i had a major argument with the admin over him being let saywha he wanted because he had so many posts to his credit and they all obviously knew him,in the end i couldnt post on any thread witthout this guy attacking me so i left,and the admin were not sad to see my politics go. I would never debase a human being the way i was on that forum,and i advise anyone who doesnt have the same ideals as these peopel to stay well away.

Maybe it wa just my experiance and they are alright,but just letting you know what happened me over there!

It was entirely because of your terrible politics and your inability to debate them. You talk about unity between catholics and protestant yet associate with dodgy INLA types, then when you meet a lefty protestant online and he challenges you you cant handle it.

Hypocrite.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 09, 2007 05:29 am
Axel:


I am not an anarchist, but given that the British SWP has been pandering to Islamic fundamentalism to try to get support, I can see why you people left it!

Axel, this will merely get you a warning point for trying to de-rail this thread -- if you persist. :)
I was merely pointing out what I found a reason for him to leave such an organization. Intresting how you go after me for doing a brief point about my disagreements with the SWP, but not Moshehess for bringing up such a discussion. I think someone is abusing her mod powers.

Libcom still does not look like the most interesting forum for me. It seems like revleft, only a lot more ultra-leftism and the like.

[guydebordisdead]

Originally posted by Axel1917+April 10, 2007 05:16 pm--> (Axel1917 @ April 10, 2007 05:16 pm)
Rosa [email protected] 09, 2007 05:29 am
Axel:


I am not an anarchist, but given that the British SWP has been pandering to Islamic fundamentalism to try to get support, I can see why you people left it!

Axel, this will merely get you a warning point for trying to de-rail this thread -- if you persist. :)
I was merely pointing out what I found a reason for him to leave such an organization. Intresting how you go after me for doing a brief point about my disagreements with the SWP, but not Moshehess for bringing up such a discussion. I think someone is abusing her mod powers.

Libcom still does not look like the most interesting forum for me. It seems like revleft, only a lot more ultra-leftism and the like. [/b]
It's revleft for people who are a bit more grown up and with more developed ideas, cooler social lives and a firm rejection of big tent leftism.

Oh and no admiration for that hersuit, dolphin-fucker guevara :D

[Tetsuo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:16 pm
Libcom still does not look like the most interesting forum for me. It seems like revleft, only a lot more ultra-leftism and the like.
"Ultra-leftism" is a slippery term. I like to think of it as having an understanding of what has and hasn't worked in the past combined with a consistant analysis of the world as we experience it. That and winding up Trots until they make funny noises ;)

[redflag32]

Originally posted by guydebordisdead+April 10, 2007 12:45 pm--> (guydebordisdead @ April 10, 2007 12:45 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 08:31 pm
I had a terrible experience with that forum,from the moment i joined i was attacked by a prominent poster over my Republican socialist politics,this poster didnt hold back and used personal insults to get his point across,i was actually warned about him by a mod/admin the moment i joined,but this poster was allowed make a mockery of me personally and politically without anyone asking him to tone it down,i had a major argument with the admin over him being let saywha he wanted because he had so many posts to his credit and they all obviously knew him,in the end i couldnt post on any thread witthout this guy attacking me so i left,and the admin were not sad to see my politics go. I would never debase a human being the way i was on that forum,and i advise anyone who doesnt have the same ideals as these peopel to stay well away.

Maybe it wa just my experiance and they are alright,but just letting you know what happened me over there!

It was entirely because of your terrible politics and your inability to debate them. You talk about unity between catholics and protestant yet associate with dodgy INLA types, then when you meet a lefty protestant online and he challenges you you cant handle it.

Hypocrite.[/b]

HAHa looks like i found one of the culprits did i? Or a cheerleader atleast! First of all id like to say i dont hang around with "dodgy INLA types" and even if i did, it wouldnt bother me in the slightest. The INLA have made mistakes in the past and some people using the name have carried out terrible acts, but the INLA have apologised for this and i think have taken the most progressive position of all the Irish anti-imperialist forces. Furthermore, i cant remember talking about uniting catholic and protestent on the libcom forum,i didnt get a word in to be honest. I have no problem if catholics and protestants unite,but to me its not an issue as im a Marxist and dont see people in this divisive way. The INLA had protestant revolutionaries in its ranks over the years,this shows its "terrible politics" did appeal to the protestants of the 6 counties, i think you will agree it takes alot to cross the sectarian divide in the 6 counties,and this proves that a dignified honest class conscious position can be the catalyst for a revolution in Ireland.

I can tell your a cheerleader for that forum simply because of your aggresive attitude to debating, there is no need for you to call me names is there? You may associate my politics with aggression but its clearly you who is showing signs of this nature :rolleyes: Im not going to get into this debate with libcom again so ive said my piece and ill leave it at that!

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Revlefters more grown-up/cooler??

In some cases yes, but not all; check out my latest post here:


http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic...entry1292299406 (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=55101&st=250&#entry1292299406)

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by guydebordisdead+April 10, 2007 12:45 pm--> (guydebordisdead @ April 10, 2007 12:45 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 08:31 pm
I had a terrible experience with that forum,from the moment i joined i was attacked by a prominent poster over my Republican socialist politics,this poster didnt hold back and used personal insults to get his point across,i was actually warned about him by a mod/admin the moment i joined,but this poster was allowed make a mockery of me personally and politically without anyone asking him to tone it down,i had a major argument with the admin over him being let saywha he wanted because he had so many posts to his credit and they all obviously knew him,in the end i couldnt post on any thread witthout this guy attacking me so i left,and the admin were not sad to see my politics go. I would never debase a human being the way i was on that forum,and i advise anyone who doesnt have the same ideals as these peopel to stay well away.

Maybe it wa just my experiance and they are alright,but just letting you know what happened me over there!

It was entirely because of your terrible politics and your inability to debate them. You talk about unity between catholics and protestant yet associate with dodgy INLA types, then when you meet a lefty protestant online and he challenges you you cant handle it.

Hypocrite. [/b]
What utter nonsense. I know Comrade Redflag32 outside of the internet, and I can tell you that while he is 100% republican socialist, he is actually against republican militarism and physical force republicanism in particular. It seems to me that you attack him with this ridiculous strawman because you can't deal with the content of his politics.

I posted there and was attacked immediately, and those slagging me admitted it's cos Im 'southern' Irish which they openly despise. that kind of orange bigotry is not acceptable and should be opposed by all revolutionaries. unfortunatley many of the anarchist and trot groups have a very poor record on this. that's why some call Organise 'Orangeise'.

for instance I posted a piece there by the IRSP arguing that instead of the traditional republican position (that we should convince the Protestant Ulstermen that they are Irish), we should respect their self-described British heritage, and attempt to appeal to it by influencing their consciousness with the proud history of the british progressive and workers' movement. it was suggested that the British identity is far more than the empire and the monarchy, and that it is not a threat to Irish self-determination, anymore than communities in Ireland that hold onto their Chinese or Nigerian culture. This is not just rhetoric- I know members of our Party who describe themselves as British and even English and they are accepted equally as comrades. For this one poster responded that we were racist, etc. :wacko: