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deadpool 52
14th September 2002, 18:08
Written thousands of years ago, it is amazing how Las Tzu's teachings still hold true today. There is no change in the past and present.

"When the Way is forgotten
Duty and justice appear;
Then knowledge and wisdom are born
Along with hypocrisy.

When harmonious relationships dissolve
Then respect and devotion arise;
When a nation falls to chaos
Then loyalty and patriotism are born."

"Powerful men are well advised not to use violence,
For violence has a habit of returning;
Thorns and weeds grow wherever an army goes,
And lean years follow a great war.

A general is well advised
To achieve nothing more than his orders:
Not to take advantage of his victory.
Nor to glory, boast or pride himself;
To do what is dictated by necessity,
But not by choice.

For even the strongest force will weaken with time,
And then its violence will return, and kill it."

"Armies are tools of violence;
They cause men to hate and fear.
The sage will not join them.
His purpose is creation;
Their purpose is destruction.

Weapons are tools of violence,
Not of the sage;
He uses them only when there is no choice,
And then calmly, and with tact,
For he finds no beauty in them.

Whoever finds beauty in weapons
Delights in the slaughter of men;
And who delights in slaughter
Cannot content himself with peace.

So slaughters must be mourned
And conquest celebrated with a funeral."

"When a nation follows the Way,
Horses bear manure through its fields;
When a nation ignores the Way,
Horses bear soldiers through its streets.

There is no greater mistake than following desire;
There is no greater disaster than forgetting contentment;
There is no greater sickness than seeking attainment;
But one who is content to satisfy his needs
Finds that contentment endures."

"The sage does not distinguish between himself and the world;
The needs of other people are as his own."

"Do not control the people with laws,
Nor violence nor espionage,
But conquer them with inaction.

For:
The more morals and taboos there are,
The more cruelty afflicts people;
The more guns and knives there are,
The more factions divide people;
The more arts and skills there are,
The more change obsoletes people;
The more laws and taxes there are,
The more theft corrupts people.

Yet take no action, and the people nurture eachother;
Make no laws, and the people deal fairly with eachother;
Own no interest, and the people cooperate with eachother;
Express no desire, and the people harmonize with eachother."

"When government is lazy and informal
The people are kind and honest;
When government is efficient and severe
The people are discontented and deceitful.

Good fortune follows upon disaster;
Disaster lurks within good fortune;
Who can say how things will end?
Perhaps there is no end.

Honesty is ever deceived;
Kindness is ever seduced;
Men have been like this for a long time.

So the sage is firm but not cutting,
Pointed but not piercing,
Straight but not rigid,
Bright but not blinding."

"Manage a great nation as you would cook a delicate fish.

To govern men in accord with nature
It is best to be restrained;
Restraint makes agreement easy to attain,
And easy agreement builds harmonious relationships;
With sufficient harmony no resistance will arise;
When no resistance arises, then you possess the heart of the nation,
And when you possess the nation's heart, your influence will long endure:
Deeply rooted and firmly established.
This is the method of far sight and long life."

abstractmentality
14th September 2002, 20:38
i agreed with most of the tao te ching, but not all. although i must say it was one of my more interesting reads.

red warlock
8th January 2003, 14:53
I THINK THAT LAO TZU'S TAO TE CHING IS ONE OF TH E GREAT BOOKS ON GOUVERNATION...OF THE CHINESE CLASSICS I ADMIRE HIM AND SUN TZU...
VIVA LA REVOLUCION

TheFriendlyBolshevik
9th January 2003, 16:26
conflict without aggression. the Sun Tzu rocks.

As humans we cannot avoid conflict, but we can avoid destruction.

Right now i'm reading 'The Five Rings'. I don't like it as much as the Art of War but it's still pretty good.

ReinaldoArenas
10th January 2003, 02:31
Anyone interested in achieving Tao should first read the little know Hua Hu Ching by Lao Tsu. No one can be a part of what they want until they are it themselves.

red warlock
16th January 2003, 12:48
Quote: from TheFriendlyBolshevik on 8:26 pm on Jan. 9, 2003
conflict without aggression. the Sun Tzu rocks.

As humans we cannot avoid conflict, but we can avoid destruction.

Right now i'm reading 'The Five Rings'. I don't like it as much as the Art of War but it's still pretty good.




Musahi's "Book of the five rings" is pretty good...there are many sword tactics described there, but there are some interesting war priciples described...

viva la revolucion!!!!

deadpool 52
25th January 2003, 02:20
Whoa! Fuckin' A, man!

Glad to see people who are not ignorant bastards.

Yo, if you like to know on Musashi, see the Samurai trilogy. It is spectacular.

Fires of History
25th January 2003, 13:16
Deadpool52,

WHOA! You mean someone other than me has seen Samurai I, II, and III? WHOA! You're fucking cool. But I love them all the more because I love Musashi, and read anything about him or by him I can get my hands on. What a life he had. And if even half the legends about his life are true, he's got to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, swordsmen to have ever walked this Earth. I mean, come on, taking out opponents who have real katanas with a wooden stick!?

And I did a lot of Kendo in university, and that makes me all the more intrigued by his two-sword system. Musashi was the baddest motherfucker ever.

red warlock
27th January 2003, 15:10
well, I used to practice Aikido sword techniques ;both katana and boken and some Takeda ryu iai jutsu wakizashi techniques (small sword techniques). back when I rpacticed Aikido Musashi's book was one of the essential theoretical materials....

viva la revolucion!!