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Marxman
11th September 2002, 20:30
Testament of Leon Trotsky

My high (and still rising) blood pressure is deceiving those near me about my actual condition. I am active and able to work but the outcome is evidently near. These lines will be made public after my death.

I have no need to refute here once again the stupid and vile slander of Stalin and his agents: there is not a single spot on my revolutionary honour. I have never entered, either directly or indirectly, into any behind-the-scenes agreements or even negotiations with the enemies of the working class. Thousands of Stalins opponents have fallen, victims of similar false accusations. The new revolutionary generations will rehabilitate their political honour and deal with the Kremlin executioners according to their deserts.

I thank warmly the friends who remained loyal to me through the most difficult hours of my life. I do not name anyone in particular because I cannot name them all.

However, I consider myself justified in making an exception in the case of my companion, Natalia Ivanovna Sedova. In addition to the happiness of being a fighter for the cause of socialism, fate has given me the happiness of being her husband. During the almost forty years of our life together she remained an inexhaustible source of love, magnanimity, and tenderness. She underwent great suffering, especially in the last period of our lives. But I find some comfort in the fact that she also knew days of happiness.

For forty-three years of my conscious life I have remained a revolutionist; for forty-two of them I have fought under the banner of Marxism. If I had to begin all over again I would of course try and avoid this or that mistake, but the main course of my life would remain unchanged. I shall die a proletarian revolutionist, a Marxist, a dialectical materialist, and, consequently, an irreconcilable atheist. My faith in the communist future of mankind is not less ardent, indeed it is firmer today, than it was in the days of my youth.

Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression, and violence and enjoy it to the full.

Leon Trotsky.
Mexico February 27th 1940

A coda was added later dated March 3rd 1940. Mainly dealing with what should happen should he be involved in a serious drawn out illness, it ends with the following words:

... But whatever may be the circumstances of my death I shall die with unshaken faith in the communist future. This faith in man and in his future gives me even now such power of resistance as cannot be given by any religion.

Ian
12th September 2002, 11:15
Great post man! you are a fantastic poster! (I've seen a few bits of your mayhem ;) and you seem cool)

Marxman
12th September 2002, 14:13
Actually, this was Trotsky's post. His words were always exclusively great to me, not to mention his books.

Revolution Hero
16th September 2002, 09:39
The words of the dying opportunist.......well,the words of the great opportunist....

Rob
16th September 2002, 17:19
Those words were beautiful.

Marxman
17th September 2002, 22:43
Trotsky was not an opportunist, Revolution Hero. We've discussed this and I suggest now that you read more material about him before you claim such nonsense. Your words are infamy to me.

Lardlad95
17th September 2002, 23:30
Trotsky's Story makes me so sad...I agree with very little of his politics however.

He would have been a better leader than Stalin, but thats how the cards fall.

I wonder what would have happened if they headed Lenin's warnings on Stalin

Turnoviseous
17th September 2002, 23:49
Revolutionary "Hero", it is so sad that you do not understand your own signature:

"Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist Revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."
Marx and Engels.

Revolution Hero
18th September 2002, 09:19
Quote: from Marxman on 8:43 am on Sep. 18, 2002
Trotsky was not an opportunist, Revolution Hero. We've discussed this and I suggest now that you read more material about him before you claim such nonsense. Your words are infamy to me.


Your thoughts and opinion about Trotsky will not change the true opportunistic essence of his theory.

Revolution Hero
18th September 2002, 09:22
Quote: from Turnoviseous on 9:49 am on Sep. 18, 2002
Revolutionary "Hero", it is so sad that you do not understand your own signature:

"Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist Revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."
Marx and Engels.



You are a true idiot. How can you say such things???
HOW CAN YOU PROVE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORDS OF THESE GREAT MEN?!!!

Marxman
18th September 2002, 13:11
Okay then, how come the nowadays marxists like Ted Grant and Alan Woods have written many marxist books and I happen to read them and I happen to catch a line that says that Trotsky's permanent revolution is only a continuation of Marx's and Engel's unification of proletariat?

So, are they so stupid in your hypothesis? Are yoou smarter, perhaps when you never read a marxist book in your life?

Revolution Hero
28th September 2002, 15:27
Yes, they are.
And, I have read more marxist-leninist materials than you have.

Marxman
28th September 2002, 15:54
No, they are not. Your attempt has failed.

If you think that Lenin was the only real marxist, then you are in a world of ignorance.

You say you understand Marx and Engels. But you don't Do you know why? Because you turn everything upside down what they've written. Words like "Socialism must and should be in one country alone" really gives me a great level of skepticism for your claiming of reading marxist material. I'm sorry, but I judge things dialectically and I'm sure a book-worm marxist like you understands dialectics, right?

LeninCCCP
30th September 2002, 00:42
Lenin was not the only true marxist get your head out your ass revolutionary hero.

(Edited by LeninCCCP at 4:43 pm on Sep. 29, 2002)

Marxman
30th September 2002, 05:19
That's right. He thinks Lenin was unmistakeable but that ain't so. Lenin apologised to Trotsky about his doubts that the revolution could be socialist. He objected to the permanent revolution at first but later he found out it was exactly dialectical and marxist.

Trotsky too apologised to Lenin about the attempt of conciliation with the Mensheviks.

Revolution Hero
30th September 2002, 10:04
If I said that Trotsky had not been a true marxist, it doesn't mean that I consider Lenin the only true marxist. There were a lot, besides Lenin, but trotsky is not among them.

Marxman your "apologize story" is a blatant lie. Lenin wasn't mistaken about the possibility of the socialist building in one country, otherwise Lenin wouldn't be the initiator of NEP, which was the first step from capitalism into socialism.
Marxman you haven't read Lenin, so please don't talk about the things you don't know.

Marxman
30th September 2002, 12:55
NEP was the first step of socialism into capitalism, dear R.H. NEP created state-capitalism and was very dangerous and even Lenin said so.

My "apologise theory" is even written in LCW (non-stalinist version).

I've read Lenin, just not directly.

Marxman
30th September 2002, 12:56
NEP was the first step of socialism into capitalism, dear R.H. NEP created state-capitalism and was very dangerous and even Lenin said so.

My "apologise theory" is even written in LCW (non-stalinist version).

I've read Lenin, just not directly but that doesn't mean I don't know him. I obviously know more than you because I know that Lenin knew "socialism in one country" is a science-fiction.

By the way, you claim you're a marxist but you don't understand the simple word like INTERNATIONALISM.

(Edited by Marxman at 12:59 pm on Sep. 30, 2002)

Revolution Hero
1st October 2002, 10:21
Mraxman , NEP was established by Lenin, in order to prepare Soviet economy to the socialist economical system. NEP is transitional stage between capitalism and socialism. I will post the quote from Lenin later, as I know that you don't believe me. ( at least you respect Lenin, that's good.)

Allright, show me the quote, that proves your " apologize fairy tail" , I mean the one in which Lenin admitted that he was wrong whene he had come to the conclusion about the possibility of the socialist building in one country. I know forward that this kind of quote don't exist. But , anyway waste your time on looking for the imaginary quote, at least I gonna have little rest here. LOL. All your hope is up to your fantasy, marxman.

INTERNATIONALISM. ha! I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, IF I AM NOT TROTSKYST FOLLOWER, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I AM NOT INTERNATIONALIST OR DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

Marxman
1st October 2002, 16:08
So typical. You twisted my wordz again!

I said Lenin admitted Russia could have a socialist revolution, not socialism in one country! Lenin at first didn't agree with Trotsky's permanent revolution but he admitted later that Trotsky was right.

Lenin believed Russia could only achieve a burgeois-democratic revolution and its tasks. The tasks of the latter were: distributing food, land and peace. You might recall burgeois democratic tasks as Lenin put them: PEACE, LAND and BREAD. Lenin did not at first belive Russia could be able to have a socialist revolution because Lenin didn't see the proletariat in such a positive way that Trotsky did. Lenin then saw that even a backward state like Russia could have a socialist revolution but Lenin never said that Russia could have socialism but Lenin said that the flame of the revolution must now spread to other more advanced states.